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Author Topic: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works  (Read 26035 times)

Rapadura

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2010, 06:30:50 PM »
Quote from: happyfunball on March 05, 2010, 04:06:04 AM
An iron ball will only attract to a magnet if they are positioned (hand motion) in close enough proximity.

It is completely absurd to say that the acceleration caused in the ball is the result of the hand that put the ball there.

If the ball is at rest, only half centimeter away from the "close enough proximity" to start to be attracted by the magnet through a little ramp with a slope of 10 degrees, and I use an electromagnetic actuator to push the ball for this half centimeter, the energy spent in that little push is much smaller than the kinetic energy of the ball accelerated by the magnetic force going up in the ramp.

Is completely absurd to say that the electromagnetic forces does not cause acceleration. If that were true, there would not exist electric motors.
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Low-Q

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2010, 10:42:48 PM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 05, 2010, 04:01:56 AM
No. Just 0% of the A is input by hand movement. 100% of  of the energy is input by magnetic forces, just like when a permanent magnet on a table atracts an iron ball.
The wheel in the v-gate video have a sticky spot where the poles in the V-gate is closest to the hand held magnet - at the end of the V-gate. It is towards that point the magnet is attracted to. To avoid that sticky spot, the hand must remove the magnet from it for some time. The force spent to roll that wheel corresponds perfectly to the forces between that sticky spot, and the hand held magnet. So it is impossible to build up kinetic energy that is greater than the force provided by the V-gate. So the hand must help to accelerate the wheel by using force to interrupt the attraction near and beyond the sticky spot. If you use a cam to lift that magnet away, the cam must steal exactly, or more, that amount of kinetic energy that is built up by the V-gate. The wheel is therefor 100% depended on the hand to accelerate. There will be no follow up video with a true self runner - trust me :)

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Low-Q

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2010, 10:51:53 PM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 05, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
It is completely absurd to say that the acceleration caused in the ball is the result of the hand that put the ball there.

If the ball is at rest, only half centimeter away from the "close enough proximity" to start to be attracted by the magnet through a little ramp with a slope of 10 degrees, and I use an electromagnetic actuator to push the ball for this half centimeter, the A spent in that little push is much smaller than the kinetic energy of the ball accelerated by the magnetic force going up in the ramp.

Is completely absurd to say that the electromagnetic forces does not cause acceleration. If that were true, there would not exist electric motors.
The problem with such ramps, SMOTs, is that the ball is repelled if it is outside the beginning og the track. The hand must overcome that force to make the ball enter inside the attracting area.
Second: The end of the track there is built up some kinetic energy. The ball can fall through a hole at the end of the track, but the gravity acceleration at that point is not 9,81 m/s^2, but  much less - due to the magnetic force that breaks the ball to fall freely towards gravity. Adding the repelling force outside the start of the track where the ball are suppose to start over again, the actual potential energy the ball have on the top of the slope is therefor the sams as in the bottom of the slope - or less if we take friction and Lentz law into account.

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happyfunball

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2010, 06:32:39 AM »
Quote from: Rapadura on March 05, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
It is completely absurd to say that the acceleration caused in the ball is the result of the hand that put the ball there.

If the ball is at rest, only half centimeter away from the "close enough proximity" to start to be attracted by the magnet through a little ramp with a slope of 10 degrees, and I use an electromagnetic actuator to push the ball for this half centimeter, the energy spent in that little push is much smaller than the kinetic energy of the ball accelerated by the magnetic force going up in the ramp.

Is completely absurd to say that the electromagnetic forces does not cause acceleration. If that were true, there would not exist electric motors.

The V Gate requires outside force to operate. No excess energy is produced. Build one and find out for yourself, as thousands of others have. The end.
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Rapadura

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2010, 03:04:35 AM »
Quote from: happyfunball on March 06, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
Build one and find out for yourself

It's precisely what I'm going to do! If it works, I will put the video on YouTube, if it don't work, I will put the video on YouTube too.
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shimondoodkin

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Re: array of magnets + energy accumulation + skip the last magnet = it works
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2010, 08:30:55 PM »
after elaborating on this with my father he is an engineer he said that two magnets are balanced towards the center.
also my father said about the yu's video that it "adds" the energy in resonance with the oscillation.

i thought about the balance toward the center and i think i understand it:
so there is a south half of a magnet and a north half of a magnet,
if i make a long magnet and put it so that only the north side of the rotor is in an angle that only that side repulses from a stator magnet then it is still will have a balance at the minimal repulsion point. so it made me wonder how a static magnet motor is possible.
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also so i thing the v gate motor is also along magnet bend in a v shape and both poles are used with repulsion
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it is guessable that in situations like this there is less attraction then repulsion.
but there is a balance at the least repulsive point so how can it work if there is a balance (should be there a temporary imbalance?)
and the repulsion from what - from the stator and from the gravity?

why smot not working? in jnaudin website, smot gains 113%  http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotnrgt.htm
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