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Offline forest

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 09:46:10 AM »
I think Len'z rule is related to dipoles. If there is one dipole then it's related it's electric and magnetic fields .If there are more dipoles len'z rule is a rule of interactions between them.
The only way to create free energy is to BREAK DIPOLE creating two monopoles separated in space.
Each monopoles now create own counterpart but there is no len'z rule acting between such separated monopoles.

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 06:09:51 PM »
I think Len'z rule is related to dipoles. If there is one dipole then it's related it's electric and magnetic fields .If there are more dipoles len'z rule is a rule of interactions between them.
The only way to create free energy is to BREAK DIPOLE creating two monopoles separated in space.
Each monopoles now create own counterpart but there is no len'z rule acting between such separated monopoles.

Interesting thoughts. Lenz law is fortunately for us quite strict, which allows us to predict how it will react in many situations. Any action or force that centers around one common point, will affect all other things centering that same common point to the same degree. If they share separate points, where one dipole creates the next, or are simply adjacent, then the equal and opposite reaction still can occur, and does. I'm afraid your comment on "the only way to create free energy" is incorrect. There are no monopoles. I know this will cause waves, but this is so. There are many particle or spherical systems which dislpay monopole like activity. This is because we are not properly viewing the particle in correct context. If there is any gradient potential or magnetic that is more powerful towards the center and decreases strength with distance, as any point source of radiation does, then the center with its great energy density would be considered one pole (positive), while surrounding more tenuous area will be considered the negative region, which is exactly how we view most particles, positive towards center, negative facing outward, but there is in reality no monopole.

Think of the very concept of polarity. It is no other than direction with magnitude, much like a vector. There is no way to have a river that heads in one direction without having come from another. You cannot have a fan blow out air, that has no intake for it also, same is true for electromagnetics, you cannot claim something to be polar then say it has only one  pole, this is in and of itself contradictory.

The lenz reaction I describe DOES create energy. I am very certain of this, the only problems at this point enter with energy management. For example, In one of my recent capacitively based transformers I was able to measure 90 percent efficiency for the device as a whole. However when you calculate the energy created at the pick up sphere, and the energy actually consumed in the process of making it (the decrease in P to P voltage when load is applied), the measurements range from cop 2-6 depending on distance, obviously as I calculated there is optimal. This shows me that my switching losses and other losses are bringing the whole thing below the coveted 1 mark, however this is due to small engineering obstacles. It can be shown experimentally that the actual mechanism however does allow for excess energy, both in theory, calculation and practice.

Let me describe how one can come to theses conclusions. Take my last video, evolution 2 with the capacitive globes. We can consider the globe only (transmitter) to have a "quanta" of energy associated with it. We can measure its specs, then take measurements of voltage as we move away from the transmitter. We now know that at distance X it will have some voltage, and at 2X it will have 1/4 that voltage per the inverse squared law. We also can correlate a P to P voltage off of the oscilloscope. Since the nature of the transmitter is in reality an LC circuit we know that during peak capacitive portion of the cycle 100% of the energy is contained within the capacitive elements, therefore any decreases on p to p voltage on the oscope due to loading will equate to a very real quantity of energy supposedly loading the transmitter and a drop in the p to p voltage. This drop equates to an amount of energy actually loading the transmitter. If the energy created in the pick up coil is larger than the energy lost from the transmitter, then you have created energy. However at this point and size, switching losses can eat away everything you have gained very easily. As models get bigger, and power larger, the power loss vs power used ratio decreases and the goal gets easier.

There are also drawbacks to taking the capacitive route but that is another discussion.
For example in that video the capacitive nature of the globe represented about 15% of the total capacitance within the transmitter, this means that the other 85% is within the parasitic capacitance of the coils and is being put to no use, this decreases Q of the coil, and once again hurts out total. But as I said these can be fixed.
Check out Dr Stifflers recent work, very similar.

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 07:18:22 PM »
Hi armagdn03 and all,

I bought some shaded pole motors to use the cores and coils for another experiment and was quickly testing them using my SG  to see at what frequencies I can get them to Resonate at. I was also playing with magnets and noticed I could get a phase shift to happen on a secondary by positioning magnets in different places.

This maybe of interest here so I made a quick video before cutting these apart for the intended experiment.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshIQsF4KeY

Let me know if this has any value or is of interest to this topic.

Luc

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Offline forest

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 07:51:44 PM »
Think about it once again somehow you may find that I have right.Lenz rule you described gives energy.True.
I agree. However this is because something is taking part of len'z rule response away from source and that is ambient background between primary and secondary.Finally you should see that you don't need lenz rule because all will be "eaten" actively disconnecting primary from secondary.That will allow amplification of power.

whip it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1nsz3pK6i4&feature=related

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 10:31:35 PM »
Hi armagdn03 and all,

I bought some shaded pole motors to use the cores and coils for another experiment and was quickly testing them using my SG  to see at what frequencies I can get them to Resonate at. I was also playing with magnets and noticed I could get a phase shift to happen on a secondary by positioning magnets in different places.

This maybe of interest here so I made a quick video before cutting these apart for the intended experiment.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshIQsF4KeY

Let me know if this has any value or is of interest to this topic.

Luc

Many effects may be interesting to try, thanks for sharing.

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Offline armagdn03

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 10:41:04 PM »
Think about it once again somehow you may find that I have right.Lenz rule you described gives energy.True.
I agree. However this is because something is taking part of len'z rule response away from source and that is ambient background between primary and secondary.Finally you should see that you don't need lenz rule because all will be "eaten" actively disconnecting primary from secondary.That will allow amplification of power.

whip it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1nsz3pK6i4&feature=related

There is space in between source and reciever, that is the point of all this. However what you are insinuating has no real basis behind it. I have given mechanisms, math behind it, and simple demonstrations showing it to be true. Saying that I am incorrect and that the space inbetween is the reason is a bit self defeating. 


As to this statement

"Finally you should see that you don't need lenz rule because all will be "eaten" actively disconnecting primary from secondary."

Again someone has completely missed the boat, observed the effect, but does not see its mechanisms at work. You DO need Lenz law always. It is always present but decreases with the square of the distance. This is found in all sorts of examples. Try measuring Q on a resonant coil, then put your hand near it, there is space in between...but your hand acts as a load, (and changes capacitance) and when re-tuned to resonance, you will find a decrease in Q, meaning a lenz effect has taken place. It is misleading to say that it has been "eaten" it is still operating and the maths that I show predict this, and the experimentation backs this.

You cannot say that I am wrong and that really it is because of the space in between, and Lenz law is really eaten because of it....that is just repeating what I have shown but with no real thought behind it.

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2010, 10:15:35 AM »
you are wrong. I said not about empty space  ::) ambiend background is something else, it IS ACTIVE

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2010, 10:16:31 AM »
are you on south or north hemisphere ?

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2010, 06:59:36 PM »
are you on south or north hemisphere ?

Follow your local Coriolis  ;D

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2010, 07:08:20 PM »
Follow your local Coriolis  ;D

exactly, Coriolis has beaten Lenz he he ;D

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2010, 08:34:32 PM »
Care to expand upon your insinuation?
Thanks in advance

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 08:39:19 PM »
Care to expand upon your insinuation?
Thanks in advance

In north america follow your left hand when winding your coils for receiving

---- follow your right hand for transmitting..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2010, 08:40:40 PM »
Care to expand upon your insinuation?
Thanks in advance

not really
in fact there is not much to say except that there is other dipole between primary and secondary
it's symmetrical but also not symmetrical  :P it depends where you're

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2010, 08:57:46 PM »
Would you mind making a simple graphic representation of an example.
Also can you explain what is a monopole and how can it exist?
Thanks.

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Re: Eccentric Transformer theory
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2010, 11:21:03 PM »
Interesting forest, I know first hand what you are talking about, however i do not see how it plays into this subject. Empirically my results mirror the predicted maths behind them, therefore I do not see other factors coming into play. I would love for you to prove your point and show me. Videos? Maths? Texts?

 

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