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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 344717 times)

chasson321

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #330 on: January 11, 2010, 01:31:14 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on January 10, 2010, 04:12:10 PM
I have stayed out of it to give a chance for tony to finalize, but the same question comes to my mind. How can a dc line on the scope remain on the sec. if the A is pulsed? That would assume that something is still happening in the primary or within the coil as a whole, during the off cycles. To have a solid dc line along with lil hump pulses on the sec. would suggest that the coil is acting as a capacitor of sorts. And with so few windings, I find it hard to comprehend.
Still awaiting a video

Mags

Possibly it can be explained by the same effect the John Bedini shows in this video at around the 4 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aA8-0tctyw
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broli

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #331 on: January 11, 2010, 02:06:52 AM »
@altair: I used the parameters Tony used on his coil, unless I'm wrong. I don't like people or myself to give this a personal twist as we still do not have a working unit. I would stick to Tony's until we have a working replica, then you can go nuts with the modifications.

I have updated the presentation and rar file on page 21. I added some renditions that show what happens to a part of the coil if you jump to the next winding after one complete winding. As you can see there isn't any crossing just some extra space due to the jump. From the inside everything remains evenly spaced. So this isn't a problem.
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altair

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #332 on: January 11, 2010, 02:25:17 AM »
Hi broli,
it wasn't my intention to give this a "personal twist" at all.
My goal is just to find the correct number of notches needed so that the coil comes out even, and perfect.  I do not consider this as a modification.
Anyway I'm still amazed at your rendering of the coil. Outstanding work.

I'd like Tony to chip in and confirm if the number of turns of the primary per revolution of the core is 3 or 4 ?  Tony's picture shows 3, and your rendering shows 4.  ???

Cheers
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ketone

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #333 on: January 11, 2010, 02:43:27 AM »
Hello

       @broli   ...i think your diagram might be off with the arclength of the triangle being 45 degrees, i have one full 45 degree triangle upright at 120 degrees arclength making it a 60 degree arc angle from bottom to apex so three upright triangles for a revolution around the core btw...nice diagrams
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broli

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #334 on: January 11, 2010, 03:08:02 AM »
Quote from: ketone on January 11, 2010, 02:43:27 AM
Hello

       @broli   ...i think your diagram might be off with the arclength of the triangle being 45 degrees, i have one full 45 degree triangle upright at 120 degrees arclength making it a 60 degree arc angle from bottom to apex so three upright triangles for a revolution around the core btw...nice diagrams

Yes I believe you are correct, the angle should be 60° not 45°. This renders the entire presentation absolute. What tony was saying about 45° had nothing to do with the degrees of the cycle but was meant for the length of the tube. That is the length should be such that the wires are 45° degrees with the center line of the tube. Nothing beats learning something the hard way though  ;D .
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ketone

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #335 on: January 11, 2010, 03:14:51 AM »
@broli
         yes if you were to go four times around the core, it would give you a 54.3 degree angle for the triangle rise...assuming that the length of core was calcd for 45 length
                    L= ( d x 3.14)/6
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Mk1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #336 on: January 11, 2010, 03:34:28 AM »
@all

Thank for the reply Agentgates

To those interested i posted the pictures i made from my 5 min coil test on a jt circuit . The angle is not 45 but will try it . But based on many things i think 15 is better i will have to see for my self.


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg221375#msg221375
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broli

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #337 on: January 11, 2010, 04:22:33 AM »
Tomorrow I might redo the presentation with the correct parameters. But I will probably use no tube meaning just like the inside the wires go in a straight line on the outside instead of curve around a tube. This gives the interesting illusion of a curved cylinder like has been mentioned before.
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supersam

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #338 on: January 11, 2010, 05:07:33 AM »
to all,

it might be a good time to revisit 124875.

lol
ps:  keep up  the good work
 ;)
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Mannix

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #339 on: January 11, 2010, 05:36:58 AM »
Quote from: altair link=topic=8586.msg221344#msg221344 A=1263169454
I forgot to mention that once you have wound all the turns for one primary, you should arrive exactly at your starting point, the same notch that you used to begin the wind.
That is if everything is correct, of course...

Also, if you're using acrylic tube, just sand it inside & out so it looses its transparency and becomes much easier to work with.
Thanks altair,

I have screwd up exactly like that, my wires of the single primary come out 120 deg from each other .

sometimes simple things are not , untill they are
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otto

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #340 on: January 11, 2010, 07:04:23 AM »
Hello all,

yes, when the TPU is flipped upside down the particles are not spinning anymore and the voltage on the bulb dropps.

SM was right.

Otto
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Mk1

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #341 on: January 11, 2010, 10:40:27 AM »
@all

Here is a picture of my new coil . Still no DC .

I will look into driving it with more juice , not just 1.5 volts .

I tried it as a 2 phase , got only 10 volts , pull push 82 volts.



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teslaalset

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #342 on: January 11, 2010, 11:03:56 AM »
Quote from: broli on January 11, 2010, 04:22:33 AM
Tomorrow I might redo the presentation with the correct parameters. But I will probably use no tube meaning just like the inside the wires go in a straight line on the outside instead of curve around a tube. This gives the interesting illusion of a curved cylinder like has been mentioned before.

This may actually be a good point in the overall design.
Using a tube as placeholder for the wire results in a curved cylinder only at the inside but not on the outside.
One of the future experiments would be to implement the coil just as you draw them in the two pictures.
One way to do that is to use a construction as depicted below.
You could use a reel for this.

But........let's first replicate the original to show there is a real effect
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wings

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #343 on: January 11, 2010, 01:32:23 PM »
@ Otto
Are you testing Agentgates coil ?
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broli

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #344 on: January 11, 2010, 01:36:46 PM »
Quote from: otto on January 11, 2010, 07:04:23 AM
Hello all,

yes, when the TPU is flipped upside down the particles are not spinning anymore and the voltage on the bulb dropps.

SM was right.

Otto

Why, do you have a working TPU? This forum probably has the most TPU talk on the whole internet but it's one big pool of speculation. Noone ever has reproduced the results and shared them, it's always "TPU solved!" or "My working TPU!" but after countless of posts nothing is produced at all. So as far as SM goes and his TPU tricks it might be a load of horse dung before it can be confirmed with a real working replication.
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