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Author Topic: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...  (Read 32122 times)

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 12:07:07 PM »
I wonder if I used this method to spin a Faraday Disc
http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/05/26/hard-drive-platter-tesla-turbine/

Would I land two birds with one runway?
And would the liquid mercury brushes splatter all over the place?
Would a custom fender cover that problem?

CompuTutor

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 11:48:13 AM »
Stefan has been notified of the spammer ...

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2010, 06:15:26 AM »
uh?  I had a lot of time on my hands the last two days.
but it doesn't make me a spammer, all my ideas went
into the correct forum catagories.  But ok, I'll cut back
on the coffee.

As for the Idea of spinning a faraday disc like you would
a Tesla Turbine, what's wrong with that?  This is after
all, the "Half Baked Ideas" section.  It could even spin
several at 15,000 RPM, but just realized this is "Brushless"
Sorry, I'll shut up and listen, hoping you solve the problem,
as it would be a great breakthrough.

CompuTutor

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 01:29:27 PM »
Quote from: Foggy-Notion link=topic=8516.msg220504#msg220504 A=1262927726
ok, I'll cut back
on the coffee.

Gosh NO foggy,
your just misunderstanding my friend   :o

Are you paranoid or something LOL ?

There was a spammer posting mindless word strings,
I reported it to get the user and all posts deleted,
I posted that post to stop duplicate notifications.

The user is gone, as is the posts you now don't see.

So having not seen that mindless verbal-vomit...you assumed it was you...

Heheh, relax fella, your just fine.

But that coffee may be
making you edgy perhaps(?).

Note: I have never been able to reply
to IM's with any of my machines or OS's.
I suspect my ISP is blocking somthing.
Thats why I did not reply to your IM.

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2010, 12:08:50 AM »
Paranoid?  me? ...er?  you're only asking that to set a trap, and use the answer against me later, but I'm not falling for your trick question.

Hey, what would happen if microamp HV was introduced to a spining Faraday Disc, via Wimshurst Machine, or other device, tipping hat to Diode along the way, would the output of the Faraday Disc then have a higher voltage, while retaining it's high amp boasting rights?
Thus allowing more efficient brush use?

It works with cocktails.


jadaro2600

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 02:50:42 AM »
Paranoid?  me? ...er?  you're only asking that to set a trap, and use the answer against me later, but I'm not falling for your trick question.

Hey, what would happen if microamp HV was introduced to a spining Faraday Disc, via Wimshurst Machine, or other device, tipping hat to Diode along the way, would the output of the Faraday Disc then have a higher voltage, while retaining it's high amp boasting rights?
Thus allowing more efficient brush use?

It works with cocktails.

HV would just short out, you would need something to generate the HV and the current. and fool the outside circuit into thinking it's from the same source.  This would make the device more viable of course, but i don't think fooling the outside circuit would be easy.

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 03:26:16 AM »
Maybe I can send Low Volt High Amps from Faraday Disc to giant Joule Thief.
Which would in theory give me spikes of High Voltage, whilest maintaining high amps.
A Great Dane works the same as a Chiuaua.

CompuTutor

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2010, 05:13:04 AM »
Paranoid?  me? ...er?  you're only asking that to set a trap, and use the answer against me later, but I'm not falling for your trick question.

Heheh, that translates to a yes BTW ...



Anyway, I think your missing the point
of why I started this thread for all to contribute.

It wasn't to invent ways to put volts/amps IN,
it was a way to get current OUT without excessive loss
due to brushes, belts, bearings, carbon rollors, etc...

We're not trying to make a motor here,
we are trying to properly harness a generator.

Thanks for staying on topic.  :)



Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2010, 05:20:52 AM »
oh, ok well the best way I heard for extracting the most current
was to run the disc through a pool of mercury, but as I said that
was a hand cranked model, over 1oo years ago, and the mercury
is (I assume) considered a "brush"?  But I will think on this.

phoneboy

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2010, 11:45:34 PM »
Since this is for half baked ideas, figured I throw this one out.  Apologize ahead as I'm good with mechanical not so with electrical, but what if we mimicked the way lightning formed to help with the voltage problem (see pic). If this could work then we could also try parallel electrets integrated into the generator (would be easy to create, put the assembly into a glass disc as wide as the outer diameter and just rotate the assembly with nothing connected until the eddy currents heat the discs up enough to melt the dielectric, stop rotation, connect high voltage leads, wrap in fiberglass to slow cooling, short out, and wait)

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2010, 05:17:19 AM »
Well "Half Baked Ideas" under any other name,
is still usually where most of the world's best
inventions came from.

That Illustration looks interesting.

I was wondering (forgive me if it's already been mentioned)
But I was wondering if a jet of water were used to spin the disc,
the way air or water spins a Tesla Turbine, would that water
conduct a current like a brush, but not slow down the wheel?
It is after all, the driving force.  How well water conducts is
another story, well, not "well water" but,..

...what, ...one Starbucks is all I had.





CompuTutor

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2010, 08:46:05 AM »
I've bit my tongue like a million times one this topic as it helps this site exist,
but I just have to ask if we are all seeing the same thing.

The above post has (Of all things...) "Half Baked" high-lighted as the "Phrase Of Choice" of what people think important enough to purchase.

But upon hovering over it,
it is an ad for auto brake repair.

What does brake repair have to do with half baked ?

OK, I refreshed and other words were high-lighted now...



Thank you for stopping the autoplay on the pendulum video on the home page !  :)  :)  :)

I hated pausing that every time I checked for newests posts.



Heheh Foggy, your not on a caffeine-meter or ration sanction here,
something tells me it only exacerbates your current mental state anyway.

A mercury jet instead of water?
Perhaps in a vacuum enviroment to eliminate drag.

To bad mercury is so fatel and crusts upon exposure to air so badly.
Original trials had to float oil to keep mercury from crusting in the wells.

CompuTutor

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2010, 09:27:40 AM »
Quote from: phoneboy link=topic=8516.msg221573#msg221573 A=1263249934
.....what if we mimicked the way lightning formed.....


PhoneBoy,
I'm thankful for the submission of course,
but could you share your thinking a bit more ?

The set of numerous things that happen in the formation
of charge/finger/discharge in lightning lends me to need to ask.

Which phase are you referring to?

Here is what I can say is probably and error on my part.
A direct short to the disc has three possibilities.

The disc melts,
the shorting bar melts,
but most probably the brushes/contacts melt (First).

So the heating issue would have to be carefully persued.

But the idea you have has merit
as long as you change your idea a touch.

The disc needs to build the potential
across the whole disc's surface.

But if my original question is stands true,
and the potential can be harvested from the edge
without contact that is in motion in relation to the disc.

Then an insulator across the majority of the disc's surface,
but allowing your idea to make conact at the center and edge only.

Might yield a viable idea.

But I want to understand your idea still.
Charge to plasma is an awsome concept to follow.  :)



Edit:
Upon thinking this over,
and as my original question still stands.

Whom is to say that a pair of disc's
with opposite magnet forces acting upon it
don't have a potential dipole at all points
of opposing face from the center to the edge.

If true, a medium sensitive to the dipole
could and would react to advantage.  :)

« Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 12:44:45 PM by CompuTutor »

phoneboy

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2010, 09:04:10 PM »
@ CompuTutor, the idea was that the most common form of lightning as a whole is due to a buildup of negative charge - clouds/positive charge - ground with air as a dielectric and its subsequent breakdown.  If the generator was also technically parallel capacitors with common + wouldn't charge build up as the current flowed across the discs to the periphery?  As long as the load performs work we shouldn't have heating problems?  Also, as far a a brushless setup goes I think Mr. Wilkes rolamite can work as a bearing and pickup in one with low friction similar to the belt drive used by tesla in his unipolar dynamo.   

Foggy-Notion

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Re: Brushless Homopolar N-Machine Idea ...
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 03:11:24 AM »
There are other liquid metals less toxic than mercury.
Can build these with the shaft vertical, and wheel horizontal,
Then use the Bill Beaty Pipe Cap Brush Design.
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/n-mach.html