Author Topic: Cosmic Background Radiation Antenna (Read 11411 times)

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **on:** December 02, 2009, 09:43:46 AM »

I was wondering if the Cosmic background radiation might be strong enough to convert to electricity using an antenna system. something like a solar antenna.

the antenna is pretty small.

Frequency: 160200MHz or 160.2GHz
Full Wavelength: 17.80854mm

angryScientist · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2009, 01:07:29 AM »

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on December 02, 2009, 09:43:46 AM

I was wondering if the Cosmic background radiation might be strong enough to convert to electricity using an antenna system. something like a solar antenna.

the antenna is pretty small.

Frequency: 160200MHz or 160.2GHz
Full Wavelength: 17.80854mm

I like the idea.
Maybe hit a harmonic. Maybe add two frequencies to get a beat freq. It makes me go hmmm....

Just a little on the math;

160.2GHz is 1.871363658mm

17.80854mm is 16.8341962901 GHz

broli · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2009, 01:27:55 AM »

From what I have understood from tesla's working in order to send and receive energy... You must send an electromagnetic wave and then reflect it back, this reflection will create a standing wave. The load has to be very little compared to the inductive and capactive aspect of the reciever. This way the standing wave is cleaner.

You know what the surprising part is, is that it occurs in transmission lines on a daily basis. Namely if the lines are long and open/shorted they reflect the wave back forming nodes and loops of field strength in the wire.

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_14/6.html
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-tlstand.html

By forming a standing wave energy can be exchanged very easily and almost losses through the air or ground.

Nature already forms standing waves all you need is having a setup that first emits a wave with the source and then reflects it back to form a standing wave which is sort of like a conductor through air.

Judges · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2009, 07:13:33 AM »

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Nature already forms standing waves all you need is having a setup that first emits a wave with the source and then reflects it back to form a standing wave which is sort of like a conductor through air.
End Quote.

Then all we need is an antenna system that will interface with
the already existing standing waves produced by the grid?
This antenna would produce its own signature thereby making
it addressable< (Think radio,IF detector,then osc to match IF,then stages to audio)
Comments?
Joe in Texas

turbo · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2009, 10:38:49 PM »

I recommend this book:

22 Radio and Receiver Projects for the Evil Genius.

It's one of the very best!

Table of contents
Acknowledgments
Introduction
Chapter 1: Radio Background and History
Chapter 2: Identifying Components and Reading Schematics
Chapter 3: Electronic Parts Installation and Soldering
Chapter 4: AM, FM, and Shortwave Crystal Radio Projects
Chapter 5: TRF AM Radio Receiver
Chapter 6: Solid-State FM Broadcast Receiver
Chapter 7: Doerle Single Tube Super-Regenerative Radio Receiver
Chapter 8: IC Shortwave Radio Receiver
Chapter 9: 80/40 Meter Code Practice Receiver
Chapter 10: WWV 10 MHz "Time-Code" Receiver
Chapter 11: VHF Public Service Monitor (Action-Band) Receiver
Chapter 12: 6 & 2-Meter Band Amateur Radio Receiver
Chapter 13: Active and Passive Aircraft Band Receivers
Chapter 14: VLF or Very Low Frequency Radio Receiver
Chapter 15: Induction Loop Receiving System
Chapter 16: Lightning Storm Monitor
Chapter 17: Ambient Power Receiver
Chapter 18: Earth Field Magnetometer Project
Chapter 19: Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance (SIDs) Receiver
Chapter 20: Aurora Monitor Project
Chapter 21: Ultra-Low Frequency (ULF) Receiver
Chapter 22: Jupiter Radio Telescope Receiver
Chapter 23: Weather Satellite Receiver
Chapter 24: Analog to Digital Converters (ADCs)

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Judges · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2009, 08:36:04 AM »

I still like your idea and thoughts Broli,I have built several Tesla coils,and quit a few radios.

Getting the concept to a practical solution is the sticky part,
Joe in Texa

sparks · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2009, 12:50:53 PM »

I believe cellphone communications avoids the cmbr frequencies. They go above and below because it is way too noisy. What does happen when two waves cancel each other? Photon annihalation must cause the energy of the two photons to go somewhere. Like if you have a loop antennae excited and creating photons what happens when the photons in the nearfield of the antennae meet incoming photons of the same frequency but out of phase. I really have no idea but laws of conservation of energy and momentum are hard to break.

jadaro2600 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2009, 05:01:36 AM »

Well, they slip beyond one another..

if you could fire two photons at one another and at the same frequency, ..the wave model of the photon suggests that there are two forces acting at right angles, my guess would be that the don't negate, but simply become unapparent because the energy in translated to two different magnifications perpendicular to one another...

Why is light speed considered the fastest, yet, it's in the middle of the EM spectrum? It's not unreasonable to think that it may become some other frequency of emission.

Actually, you have to consider the fact that there is no reference frame for the photon, what orientation does it take, ..seems dependent on the source ( chaotic, none the less ).

sparks · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:15:54 AM »

An emwave can be viewed as a photon pack. The photon does respond to rotating inertial frames. EG seeing stars that are behind the Sun. There is also some controversial evidence that the behaviour of photons is effected by just observation. The amplitude of the wave is one measure of the quanity of photons involved which would account for the intensity of the waves to a certain extent while the density of the photon pack is also a consideration. Anyway I believe that the photons do not annhialte each other they form mass. The waves appear to stand. The more waves standing in the same field the more mass. Mass to energy and energy to mass. The addition of photons into different forms of mass can result in the conversion of the standing waves of the mass into radiatnt energy which no longer stands.

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:42:06 AM »

we are the champions, my friends! of the world!

Judges · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2009, 06:22:07 AM »

Of course we are,Sir.
Freedom to think,ask questions,get answers,study,
invent,build and enjoy.
Champions in the sense that this VERY FORUM,exist.
Many great PEERS here to keep us on the straight path.
Many great Minds,here to suggest,support and explain.
Many great CRITICS here,to hassle us to perfection.
Very little (as in none?) gets by the Elite members of this forum.
The maglev thread by Cloxxi(sp?) is a great example.
Good luck with that!
Joe in Texas

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