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Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 174558 times)

Offline Tito L. Oracion

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #345 on: February 22, 2010, 01:28:25 PM »
Could a relay be used to mechanically switch the "short" to charge the cap? If the relay will work I would imagine you could pulse it with a circuit similar to the joule thief replacing the LED with the relay. I believe I read the joule thief pulses something like 20,000 times per sec, I just don't know if the relay could keep pace.

hi window
good idea! ;D but mechanical relay cannot make a pulse of 20,000 times per second  :-\ maybe a solid state relay can.
and there should have a timing technique. cause its none sense to charge a fully charge caps. :(

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« Reply #345 on: February 22, 2010, 01:28:25 PM »

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« Reply #346 on: February 22, 2010, 01:34:11 PM »
True, my thought was that if the relay would work then perhaps 2 would satisfy the charge/discharge function. One relay being normally open and one normally closed. I my mind if they are both pulsed by the same source their timing should be exactly opposite of each other. You could then charge with one and discharge with the other. Like that animated pic I saw around the beginning somewhere.

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« Reply #347 on: January 23, 2013, 02:34:52 AM »
I dont remember this thread here. Tito had shown this guys vids as an example a few times.

Reading it over, Im getting the gist of the idea. I think.  :o

When it comes to thinking of how an OU device process might work, first we want to an amount of input and some larger output when it comes to power.

Paul Laurence was a big deterrent in this thread. I remember he was an auss. ;)

Bearden said a special wire or conductor is needed to increase relaxation time.

From what Im understanding is, the coil made from this wire will accept a pulsed potential put across it, but there is a delay of sorts before the electrons begin to flow. And after the potential is taken away, the coil seems to believe that the potential hasnt been taken away yet, and current begins to flow.

So pulse the coil, and current flows after, thus no current from the source.

So, can a coil be made with copper, instead of 98%Al  2%Iron, to get this function?

NRG used what he claimed to be a bifi coil, with the 2 conductors connected in parallel. Not a series bifi. And he said there is a reason for having the 2 conductors wound together instead of just 1, but never explained it.

I wonder if there is a difference, and what it is?  The best way to compare is to wind 1 coil wit 2 parallel wires and another with larger single wire, to get similar sized coil along with the same resistance.

He said the coil was loosely wound.

I was thinking that a bifi coil, series bifi, that the capacitance could be charged in the bifi, maybe before current flows. Maybe. Discharge a tiny cap at HV, then see if the coil discharges to a load or cap with any significance.

Just thinking. ;)

Mags

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« Reply #347 on: January 23, 2013, 02:34:52 AM »
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« Reply #348 on: January 23, 2013, 05:08:11 AM »
Bifi coils interest me because of what Tesla said about the tremendous amount of horse power that can be derived.
 
Im not sure what he means by that. Or how we might go about doing it. There have been some interesting things done with them it seems. Luc, NRG and Zeropoint132.

Zeropoints self running, no bearing Bedini, he claimed 4000 turns bifi. 1 of the windings was like 30awg and the other 26awg. Something like that. The point is, why the difference in wire size and why so many turns?

Was thinking on it. Just to amuse myself. ;) ;D

There is a type of capacitor that is called asymetric. One plate has more area than the other. This could be a possible reason for the diff in wire size. Utkin pdf talks about asymetric capacitors. It describes a coax cable as a possible asymetric capacitor, where the shield has more surface area than the signal wire inside.
Im pondering a possible connection there.  Not done yet. ;D

Or maybe the difference is to make the coil more dense, but has bifi capacitance to work with. Like the 2 windings in bifi, do their thing while the passing magnet is inducing a charge in the coil, but only the heavier winding is used to push the magnet after the pass using the stored charge.


The 4000 turns. Thats quite a bit.  If we look at a neon transformer secondary, there are probably thousands of turns. If one understands the function of an AV plug connected to 1 end of the neon secondary, then one can understand that charge in the open ended secondary while the neon transformer is operating, that charge is being compressed and decompressed from one end of the secondary winding to the other, pumping into 1 of the diodes of the AV plug, then sucking out of the other diode, charging a cap.

I believe that the longer the winding of the secondary, the more pumping that can be had 1 ended.

So if we have a 4000 turn bifi, with the 2 coils connected in series, but at the series connection we have a diode, and leave the other 2 coil ends open, then a magnet pass will charge the bifi capacitance, through the diode. 4000 turns I could imagine a possible 1uf maybe. This charge might be fairly high voltage, stored in the capacitance of the 2 windings.

When a rotor magnet approaches the coil, the field lines that are cutting the coil on the approaching side will cause current to flow through the coil in one direction, and as the mag passes center, and the mag field cuts the departure side of the coil, currents will flow in the other direction in the coil. This is why we get an AC waveform of the generator coil.

Lenz. If the gen coil is loaded or shorted, when the mag approaches the coil, the currents in the coil produce a like field, opposing the magnets movement by repelling through the approach. Drag. And when the mag passes center and cuts the departure side of the coil, currents in the coil are reversed, causing an opposite field to the magnet, pulling or attracting the magnet. Further drag. Its funny when ya think about it. ;)

Just thinking in simple terms.  Now we add a reed switch to the open ends of the bifi coil with the diode making the series connection of the 2 windings.

The capacitance of the bifi can be considered a load. So when the mag approaches the coil, reed is open, the bifi capacitance is charged through the diode. When the mag passes center, we time the reed to wait till the mag is just at the outer edge of the departing side of the coil, then close the reed. This charge in the bifi cap, when the reed closes, will push the rotor mag away from the coil. ;D

I dont know if it will work. Its just a simplified version of how I think a Zeropoint motor 'might' work. I dont know if the drag while charging the bifi cap would be detrimental to it all yet.  Simple idea though.

Ive got to get more wire. Had a coil made but used the wire for other stuff when I could not get Z's circuit(there were 2 circuits and they were different) to work. But I didnt have this clear simple idea in mind at the time.

Bifi coils. How do we get them to do what Tesla had claimed? We have to try some different things I suppose. Ive got a couple ideas that are different. Im going to dig in for a bit and see what happens. ;)

Mags

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #349 on: December 20, 2013, 07:40:46 AM »
Loner
I have nothing but grattitude for your contribution,That post is a true Gift !
So simple and helpful!!
Have a happy holiday.
 
Thx
Chet
Ps I am sending you a PM

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« Reply #350 on: March 29, 2014, 02:08:45 PM »
Even though no one has posted here for a while, I was led here from another post and felt I just had to comment because there seems to ALWAYS be a LOT of confusion about Tesla's comments about BiFi coils.

First, Tesla is referring to Flat coils for the most part.  A standard coil wound BiFi has the almost the same type of effect, but would be a lot more complex to understand.  The stray cap values introduced in a standard wind will be hard to determine, but the crossing of the cap values does destroy part of the effect.  I won't get into those details for this, but be assured I have done my research here.

So, using a flat coil, wound normally, the internal cap value is from 1 turn to the next, as stated by Tesla in his patents.  (100 turns, 100V, 1 Volt per turn!) Simple to see, right?  Now wind BiFi, and connect in series and the picture is that the cap value has 1/2 the entire voltage across the coil ON EVERY TURN.  (100 turns, 100V, 50V per turn!)  This is on both sides of every turn, as well.  I forget the number, but Tesla stated that it was somewhere in the order of 200000 times the energy storage.

If this doesn't explain the reasons for the increased power, then there is nothing I can do.  It should also explain why a standard coil (solenoid type) has a different effect, as the windings on top of the layer below DO NOT have the entire 1/2 the cap value, so the internal interactions drastically decrease the external effects.  (Try to imagine the larger cap values forcing small areas to reverse the flow and this should be obvious...)  That little bit of info is from testing, not reading.  I guess This will be ignored anyway, so I hope this info helps someone...   Also please remember that open-ended coils are not linear with respect to current.  (I.E.  Different currents will flow at different points in the coil, contrary to what is taught in basic electronics.  More advanced learning describes this, but not in such a simplified form.)

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« Reply #351 on: March 29, 2014, 05:34:21 PM »



 You are on the right track Google and company!


 Here is a thought. What happens when you disruptively discharge a cap into such a coil?

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« Reply #352 on: April 02, 2014, 03:21:37 AM »
Hi everyone good day  ;D

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« Reply #353 on: April 02, 2014, 08:38:58 PM »
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« Reply #354 on: April 03, 2014, 01:46:33 AM »
wow, there is quite a load of info on this post to absorb.  I'm just getting started here, in electronics in general, also!  I've got to go back and start reading this thread thoroughly from page one, but I'd like to throw this out there in case it hasn't been brought up yet.  About the original style circuit that was posted on page one and discussed several pages thereafter,  has anyone tried true Tesla bifilar and/or trifilar coils to amplify the voltage even further?  I was watching something earlier today that showed the true Tesla bifilar coil making a 4x stronger magnetic field/voltage spike over a regularly wound coil....   just a thought.     I'm definitely going to go thru this thread and consider doing some relative experiments once I sort through all the info!

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« Reply #355 on: April 04, 2014, 12:35:45 AM »
Loner - That is some fantastic info you laid down in such simple wording.  I had to copy it to notepad and save it! :)   I'm reading thru this thread in such a way that I can absorb as much of the info as possible, because it is obvious to me that this is really going to lead somewhere, it's not just foolish, out-there theories and crazy babbling. Not at all....   

Magluvin -   Sounds like something worth trying to me!  I know I'm new to all of this, but I have the same gift that Tesla had, the gift of 'mentally engineering & testing ideas'...  I want to throw this out there.... about the use of two different wire sizes on the same coil.... if you are to picture the electricity moving thru the coil, which wire is it going to make it all the way thru first??  The one with least resistance = the larger wire.  By using two different sizes, you are causing the electrons to move thru one wire faster than the other.... I'm not sure what effect this has on capacitance, but I'm guessing it is something of significance either in capacitance, or in function to the specific device.  From what I am gathering, having the electrons complete a 'circuit' (lacking a better term) thru one wire first, you might be able to 'trick' your device into thinking that the source is still connected, while there is still a build-up of electrons in the thinner wire for you to harness to charge your caps.  Maybe I'm completely off-base here, but I just thought I'd throw that out there..... 

I still have a whole lot to learn... but once I learn how most of these things function and what effects different things have, I'll be able to picture things in my head and formulate ideas, and make it so I don't waste a bunch of time trying things that aren't going to work anyway.   That same gift is probably the reason why Tesla was able to progress so quickly and get so far in his work. I'm ecstatic that he passed it on to me! :P  hahaha

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« Reply #356 on: April 15, 2014, 10:05:07 AM »
Hello Everyone,
 
Is there anyone on this thread who has the collection of videos put on youtube by NRGfromthevacuum? I think the guy's name is Mike... Most of the links I've come upon in this thread are either now maked as private or as unavailable... There was someone named phazonxl that had a few - maybe 4 of Mike's videos up but when I went back to download them they were gone...
 
At any rate, if someone has all of his videos, I'd like very much to talk to you about getting a copy. Please send me a private message so we can work out the details...
 
Best regards to all,
 
Luther
 

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« Reply #357 on: April 16, 2014, 02:58:58 AM »
Hello Everyone,
 
Is there anyone on this thread who has the collection of videos put on youtube by NRGfromthevacuum? I think the guy's name is Mike... Most of the links I've come upon in this thread are either now maked as private or as unavailable... There was someone named phazonxl that had a few - maybe 4 of Mike's videos up but when I went back to download them they were gone...
 
At any rate, if someone has all of his videos, I'd like very much to talk to you about getting a copy. Please send me a private message so we can work out the details...
 
Best regards to all,
 
Luther
If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he had some pretty neat experiments with pulsed DC using a 555 timer switch (astable setup). He was adjusting the resistance to hit the right frequency to bring either a MOT, or sometimes an ignition coil into resonance, and getting that bright white light from cold electricity, or green sparks from the brushes of motors.
Great videos. He was one of the first to open up this area with videos.  I think people could still learn some things from what he was demonstrating.  As I recall, resonance was key in getting some great effects. I suspect that at the right frequency, he was able to use his circuit to excite the electrostatic environment so that radiant energy would pour in from the ambient.
Bob

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« Reply #358 on: May 04, 2014, 09:37:07 PM »
Thanks for the response Bob! As it turned out, I found an old backup I'd made and I have all of his videos there. He was using this meter that I was curious about - mainly because it has a fully lit LCD screen and displays both in a pseudo "analog" display and then a digital readout just beneath that. I know I've seen that meter somewhere but for the life of me I cannot find anything about it now. If you or anyone else can tell me what this meter is I'd really appreciate it!
 
Also, about his videos, I think they are VERY worthy of study now. After seeing Paul Babcock's demonsration video, these videos from NRG are all the more relevant... I wish I could contact the guy but who knows where he's gone off to... :(
 
All the best,
 
Luther
 

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« Reply #359 on: May 04, 2014, 11:48:29 PM »
Hi Luther,

Probably you are looking for such multimeters here:

http://www.muchbuy.com/digital-analog-multimeter-kt7030-yellow.html

http://www.dx.com/p/kt7030-digital-dual-display-analogue-multimeter-tester-300027#.U2ayoaKN310

The type is KT7030 or AX7030 (and there is KT7032 too here: http://www.sz-wholesaler.com/p/142/144-2/analog-digital-multimeter-kt7032-12967.html

EDIT: another 7032: http://ketaiks.en.ec21.com/print_offer_detail.jsp?offer_id=OF0007756527

Possibly you may find such at ebay too. 

Regading those NRG videos you found, have you figured out the exact schematic for them?

Gyula

 

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