Author Topic: Joule Thief (Read 6350230 times)

resonanceman · « **Reply #9975 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:55:48 PM »

Quote from: guruji on November 20, 2009, 11:24:42 PM

HI Gadgetmall very interesting about the heater. Even a water heater would work with your circuit you're mentioning? It would be a very good invention man
About the cap can one use a smaller one or a DC one?
Thanks man keep on with the good work.

guruji

I was wondering the same thing about smaller caps ..... I wonder if another kind of cap could work

As I understand it .......with what Gadget has right now ........ a water heater ellement could be used as the load ..........but the cap will take about 8 hours to charge ....then it will discharge in a few minutes . ....... the water hearter element is also to large to get as hot as a short piece of nicrome wire .
( I am sure Gadget will improve on this 8 hour time )

I was thinking that a small cap dumped a few times a second might be more powerful than a large cap dumped a few times a day .

I am also remembering I read somewhere that a cap made in cylinder form ......as in made from tubes spaced within one another has some OU properties .

I also read that the large cans on the Testakica are caps with coils inside of them .

HHHhhhhhmmmm

Would a large JT coil inside a cylindrical cap would inductively couple with the cap ?

Any ideas on what to use for a dielectric ?
I tried making a large cap when I was posting on the Stubbfield earth battery thread . I could not get it to hold a charge for even a minute .

gary

innovation_station · « **Reply #9976 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:11:55 AM »

this is where stage 2 fits gary!

stage 1 is this entire thred in every winding config imaginable and many not showen ...

what you are wanting to do is stage 2 THE GOLD RING

this operates from stage 1 stage 1 provides amps and many to do stage 2

say you designed a coil to slam 15 wats 3 times / sec i bet you got some dam big output there ...

see how it works ..

ist!

you see stage 2 is the same a little bit better .. i have a special bridge rectifier for this porpus .. as a db107 WILL NOT CUT IT !

lol

i have a high amp high voltage high freq .. 240 000 watt rectifier ...

i will never build this compleat unit public .. sorry ! just because i can do things ... does not always mean i should do them .. i respect life i will not put in the hands of children dangrous toys ..

stage 2 can KILL YOU OK !

for this verry reason i progress VERY SLOWLY...

be carefull ! its a whole new world ... thease things have a bad bite !

you have been warned!

w

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #9977 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:13:36 AM »

Jeanna:

I just ordered four 3 3/8" dia. ferrite toroids from all electronics. I am going to try to replicate Lidmotor's Jeanna Light. (Using your big toroid winding idea) I was thinking about stacking 2 of them together and winding just as if it was one thick one. What do you think? have you seen Lidmotor's second video of the light where he put it into a very nice box? He is getting 10 watts of light with only .3 watts of power input. This is a very beautiful and special project that I would recommend to anyone. I may need some help on the winding. I also ordered some 5 watt wire wound pots as well.

Here is the link to Lidmotor's video in case anyone missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nzbi59T7w&feature=subtivity

Bill

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9978 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:15:50 AM »

Quote from: resonanceman on November 20, 2009, 11:55:48 PM

guruji

I was wondering the same thing about smaller caps ..... I wonder if another kind of cap could work

As I understand it .......with what Gadget has right now ........ a water heater ellement could be used as the load ..........but the cap will take about 8 hours to charge ....then it will discharge in a few minutes . ....... the water hearter element is also to large to get as hot as a short piece of nicrome wire .
( I am sure Gadget will improve on this 8 hour time )

I was thinking that a small cap dumped a few times a second might be more powerful than a large cap dumped a few times a day .

gary

Hi gary . nichrome wire is the way to go here . then you can control the resistance and amount of heat Verse time . I used a small piece of coil and it lit up like a light bulb . i could feel the heat on my face . IF i put say 5 or 6 feet of wire coil then the heat will be slower and there for could last for hours . Also If one Jt charges in 8 hours Stands to reason that 8 Jts will charge it in one hour . and 16 Jts will charge it in a few minutes . IST already has the makings in mind for something similar and he will see results . I believe the big 6 inch toroid will charge this Bcap up quickly once we find the proper winding . probably using a 2n3055 or bigger transistor .
Gadget

innovation_station · « **Reply #9979 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:33:44 AM »

or mosfets ... they work awesome if you build it right ...

and just add more for how much you want it to push ..

10 20 30 40 50 amp i dont care ... bang all at 1 time imagine 50amps 2.7v as an input where your 11 ma is lol

just once please visualize !

i have been seeing this crap in my mind for a lonnnnggggg time ..

ist !

this is why i rarely finish anything and im already on to the next thing ...

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9980 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:37:36 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 21, 2009, 12:13:36 AM

Jeanna:

I just ordered four 3 3/8" dia. ferrite toroids from all electronics. I am going to try to replicate Lidmotor's Jeanna Light. (Using your big toroid winding idea) I was thinking about stacking 2 of them together and winding just as if it was one thick one. What do you think? have you seen Lidmotor's second video of the light where he put it into a very nice box? He is getting 10 watts of light with only .3 watts of power input. This is a very beautiful and special project that I would recommend to anyone. I may need some help on the winding. I also ordered some 5 watt wire wound pots as well.

Here is the link to Lidmotor's video in case anyone missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nzbi59T7w&feature=subtivity

Bill

This Is awesome Jeanna . Where did i miss this Bill ? ?jeanna? i have some of those rings . Cool

resonanceman · « **Reply #9981 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:42:17 AM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 21, 2009, 12:15:50 AM

Hi gary . nichrome wire is the way to go here . then you can control the resistance and amount of heat Verse time . I used a small piece of coil and it lit up like a light bulb . i could feel the heat on my face . IF i put say 5 or 6 feet of wire coil then the heat will be slower and there for could last for hours . Also If one Jt charges in 8 hours Stands to reason that 8 Jts will charge it in one hour . and 16 Jts will charge it in a few minutes . IST already has the makings in mind for something similar and he will see results . I believe the big 6 inch toroid will charge this Bcap up quickly once we find the proper winding . probably using a 2n3055 or bigger transistor .
Gadget

Gadget

I would agree that only ultracaps have shown promise with this .......so far .
I see no reason that some other can't work .

I do understand the idea of more units to provide more power .......but each unit costs money .

I do not like bottlenecks in the OU path ........ toroids are a bottleneck ......... the price tag on ultracaps is a bottleneck
I would say ......somehow the ultracaps are loosing less through leakage or something like that .
I will see what I can do with the Ultracaps .........but I will also be looking for other options ....options more possible for the person without a gold plated checkbook.

As far as using the 2n3055 ........ I used them for a while ........they burn out to easy.
Try the TIP3055 .............similar performance , smaller package and they seem alot more durable to me.

gary

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #9982 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:46:57 AM »

The TIP 3055 is what Lidmotor used in his Jeanna Light circuit. I am going to use the old 2n3055 for my replications if only because I still have about 25 of them left from a buy I made last year.

Bill

jeanna · « **Reply #9983 on:** November 21, 2009, 12:58:37 AM »

Wow lotsa posts to answer.

1- I think MK1 has a good idea here. It is a good idea to make some prepared explanations of what we have learned. It is better now than before, too because we all seem to arrived at a place of greater understanding.

2-@Bill, In fact it should be much stronger, (remembering prof lewin's long plastic bag?) and I have been thinking about it too.
But, let me suggest a simple replication first.
That way I or lidmotor can help you.

3-@Gadget, It was around jume 11. I was not the first to light a fluoro tube with a hand wound toroid, but I wanted to keep it really simple (and I did) and I timed it (5 1/4hrs) to show what a great build it could be.
I put it into a long breadbasket, but it didn't fit and Lidmotor's lamp is just so elegant and beautiful. I feel so proud that I inspired him.

jeanna

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9984 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:01:05 AM »

Quote from: resonanceman on November 21, 2009, 12:42:17 AM

Gadget

I would agree that only ultracaps have shown promise with this .......so far .
I see no reason that some other can't work .

I do understand the idea of more units to provide more power .......but each unit costs money .

I do not like bottlenecks in the OU path ........ toroids are a bottleneck ......... the price tag on ultracaps is a bottleneck
I would say ......somehow the ultracaps are loosing less through leakage or something like that .
I will see what I can do with the Ultracaps .........but I will also be looking for other options ....options more possible for the person without a gold plated checkbook.

As far as using the 2n3055 ........ I used them for a while ........they burn out to easy.
Try the TIP3055 .............similar performance , smaller package and they seem alot more durable to me.

gary

I am by no means rich . Neither is IST . We save junk . and for me i try to give materials that i have researched for less money . And like i said in a posta few pages back you can get all the parts you want for free . I got all those parts in the photo for free . the torroids are 5 for a dollar . wire free . transistors free resistors free and pots are free and so are the torroids .

Yes by all means research the little caps . I ran Experiment 3 again and same results with the 4.7 farad supercaps . In my standard Jt they don't work at all for showing anysign of OU but i do have a little cube light that runs off one for over 24 hours and charged by the sun for a few minutes or by a lamp for a few minutes and that supercap maxes out . I think this can be made better with lots more turns on the primary . As far as the secondary these is no current to charge the Bcap or from previous test . I am sure we can figure thisout .. I tried already with the setup before i started experiment 1 . it don't budge an ultracap with diodes in series . without them the coil smokes . So for now i will work on the the worlds most efficient aa battery heater /light . I hope others see their way to replicate and make it stronger .
Gadget

innovation_station · « **Reply #9985 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:04:09 AM »

my finished unit i will compleat public will produce many amp at 12vdc to drive a intergrated invertor of 1.2kw ..

it will be portable and second to none .. i told you all this is not cheep!

but when you look at durability .. agin bang for the buck ... unmatched!

when looking at the life of the caps and what they are capable of ..

peace!

w

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9986 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:25:55 AM »

Quote from: innovation_station on November 21, 2009, 01:04:09 AM

my finished unit i will compleat public will produce many amp at 12vdc to drive a intergrated invertor of 1.2kw ..

it will be portable and second to none .. i told you all this is not cheep!

but when you look at durability .. agin bang for the buck ... unmatched!

when looking at the life of the caps and what they are capable of ..

peace!

w

Yes you have to look at it that way . It cost MONEY to invent . if you don't get the parts then you don't build it and waste your money on paying utility bills and energy wasting appliances anyway so better to pay a little now than a lot later . and your going to pay anyways if you live in a house

or trailer or rv or whatever . why pay 300 dollars a month for electricity when My system will run from practly nothing . I don't like 12 volts cause its not free . 1 to 2 volts at a few milliamsps is free from the dirt

but if you keep your 12 volts charged to output energy then its worth it in my opinion ..

WEll IST have you seen enuff to please the Mouthy peoples . ?
i aint done yet ...waiting for the third swap after isee this one go ou the second time around . its looking real good . Thanks for asking me to do this experiment ., Just in time for winter . ! SSJT !!

Gadget

@jeanna . VEry nice . I dont know how i missed . I want one . Its better than My fugi light . bigger but better. Do you know what page its on ? ............Just kidding . these is too many pages to keep track of now . Good God

I am all for helping . I am going to tear down this standard jt and wind one that will cook . I bet you already know the proper winding for such a device as the goldmine toroid 5/$1 . Ist gave me a bunch to work on so we need to Graduate to the next level . AMPS from BIG BATTERY CAPS .

I hope you guys get the last ones . They got sold quicker than i wanted them too .someone bought over 10,000 of them and that leaves me with only 35 to sell at the discounted price . I make 2 bucks on one / paypal gets theirs and i ship priority if available in your country .
who ever it was must either be selling them or using them for a massive project . I have not seen anyone here say anything about those so i guess they are not here on this forum .

I am tired . I will check in tomorrow and give the tally for the charge Bcap .

O BTW i got a Dr Stiffler sec in the mailbox today . it fits in a tiny 1/1/2 inch golf ball cube . I havent even had time to play with it and probably wont this week . for its Thanksgiving Weekend . I am too excited to make fire from an aa battery .

Lots of Success to all

Gadget

jeanna · « **Reply #9987 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:42:01 AM »

Quote from: gadgetmall on November 21, 2009, 01:01:05 AM

...
Yes by all means research the little caps . I ran Experiment 3 again and same results with the 4.7 farad supercaps . In my standard Jt they don't work at all for showing anysign of OU but i do have a little cube light that runs off one for over 24 hours and charged by the sun for a few minutes or by a lamp for a few minutes and that supercap maxes out . I think this can be made better with lots more turns on the primary . As far as the secondary these is no current to charge the Bcap or from previous test . I am sure we can figure thisout .. I tried already with the setup before i started experiment 1 . it don't budge an ultracap with diodes in series . without them the coil smokes . So for now i will work on the the worlds most efficient aa battery heater /light . I hope others see their way to replicate and make it stronger .
Gadget

I am addressing this to gadget but it is for all, of course.

Many months ago, I had a very strong 'download' type thought. (that is the kind that comes in fully packaged and instantly) At that time, I got it that there are never any amps that are needed in the ac circuit.

yes.

none.

OK so why do we think this and why do we always use amps?
I set myself -silently- to discover this.

In the course of many months of experiments, I have realized that the amps are only drawn into play when no other part of the system can be drawn.
In our normal ac from the wall we are forced to use 60hz and 110v or 50hz and 240v
. Therefore the only element that can be drawn is the amps.
For example, I have been watching as lights get brighter but less power is used.

I have also watched as I have added inductors IN SERIES to a pulsed wire that while the voltage may be lighting the lights the frequency will dip.
Then, (I am still experimenting) if I add more series coils the voltage spikes can go up again and the lights can use more of something.
It seems that it will continue as long as the frequency of spikes is high enough that it can be reduced.

Frequency is not a thing, of course, it is a rate of spikes passing over a marker in a second, which is rather like amps because an amp is a rate of joules (electrons??) passing a marker in a second.
In one of our jt circuits that have high frequency, there is a lot of room for manipulation of the volts and frequency of spikes.

OK so now I have shared it as I see it now.
There will surely be more, and now, I want to add a series inductor to a place that added more light to a ...........

That wire site has a table that shows that the 36 gauge wire uses .1.5A to become 2000 degrees F
And it says if it is coiled you can expect it to be about half.

So, a 2.5Ah AA rechargeable should be good for a couple of hours without damaging the battery.

I also think there will be a pulse rate that will heat the wire and turn off just long enough for the wire to just begin to cool and then pulse and heat it up again.

Yeay!

jeanna

innovation_station · « **Reply #9988 on:** November 21, 2009, 01:47:30 AM »

i never had to see a thing ... they did ...

i hope you like your wings ...

peace!

william

you know in the past i have played with hot water ... and i think it holds heat really well

hot water on demand anyone ... hot water heaters .. powered by an aa ..

lol

i think its almost ALICE in WONDERLAND in this thred ...

gadgetmall · « **Reply #9989 on:** November 21, 2009, 02:14:13 AM »

Quote from: jeanna on November 21, 2009, 01:42:01 AM

I am addressing this to gadget but it is for all, of course.

Many months ago, I had a very strong 'download' type thought. (that is the kind that comes in fully packaged and instantly) At that time, I got it that there are never any amps that are needed in the ac circuit.

yes.

none.

OK so why do we think this and why do we always use amps?
I set myself -silently- to discover this.

In the course of many months of experiments, I have realized that the amps are only drawn into play when no other part of the system can be drawn.
In our normal ac from the wall we are forced to use 60hz and 110v or 50hz and 240v
. Therefore the only element that can be drawn is the amps.
For example, I have been watching as lights get brighter but less power is used.

I have also watched as I have added inductors IN SERIES to a pulsed wire that while the voltage may be lighting the lights the frequency will dip.
Then, (I am still experimenting) if I add more series coils the voltage spikes can go up again and the lights can use more of something.
It seems that it will continue as long as the frequency of spikes is high enough that it can be reduced.

Frequency is not a thing, of course, it is a rate of spikes passing over a marker in a second, which is rather like amps because an amp is a rate of joules (electrons??) passing a marker in a second.
In one of our jt circuits that have high frequency, there is a lot of room for manipulation of the volts and frequency of spikes.

OK so now I have shared it as I see it now.
There will surely be more, and now, I want to add a series inductor to a place that added more light to a ...........

That wire site has a table that shows that the 36 gauge wire uses .1.5A to become 2000 degrees F
And it says if it is coiled you can expect it to be about half.

So, a 2.5Ah AA rechargeable should be good for a couple of hours without damaging the battery.

I also think there will be a pulse rate that will heat the wire and turn off just long enough for the wire to just begin to cool and then pulse and heat it up again.

Yeay!

jeanna

Yeay is right i didn't look at the speks for a 100 foot roll of it . If a 1.5 ah 1.5 volt AA battery will heat up to 2000f then the Ultracap at 2.7 volts at 3500 amps can make it Whirl for long time .Cool . Well i measured the current from the CE junction and it was over 6 milliamps with it drawing 11 -13 ma so i assumed this is where the charge was coming from as i could not charge them from the secondary

you will defiantly figure this out . We are as close as we have ever been now that something can store AMPS for long term use . A battery won't work in this circuit charging . it charged but eventually it loses its capacity . These don't .
ok Me so tired . Fingers falling numb ..

Gadget

update last for 2nite Experiment 2 part 2 1.178 run 1. 281 CHarge . i think its going to make it by morning to 2.000 . If it does Does this Prove Overy unity . Yes i think so . Comments ?

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