Hi.I discovered a strange modification which significantly reduces the current draw on both my Simple sec exciter and also Slayers exciter and may be worth trying on a joulethief.This is what i did.I added an extra transistor and connected the collector of the new transistor to the base of the original and the base of the new transistor to the originals emmiter and left the new transistors emitter floating.The current draw drops by over half and output is not realy effected.Whats more is you can keep adding transistors like so and the current draw comes down with each addition.If anyone has any thoughts on why this floating transistor is having this effect i would be really interested.
I have also had a think about the wireless transmision aspect of these circuits and come up with an updated simple sec reciever circuit but it works equally well with slayers exciter.
I am getting an led to light at over 2 meters distance.
I also did an experiment with slayers exciter and got it lighting an led on a vinegar battery.
Here is a vid of todays experiments and circuit diagrams of power saving mods and wireless reciever circuit update.Jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWuRL4Nto8

@electricme.Hi Jim.Thanks for the hello and hope everything is good ai your neck of the woods.Jonny

Interesting.  That part of the transistors acts as a diode; try replacing this transistor with a diode ( ground bar to base ).  See if this produces the same results.  I know that you've got the base locked up on those; the diode would thus appear to be installed incorrectly.

You may even try a low voltage zener or something.  Never know, something crazy might happen.

@ jonnydavro

I am getting an led to light at over 2 meters distance.

Great progress. Thanks for sharing your results.

I'm using different conponents!  Not exactly like Koolers, I had to work with what I have.  Don't forget that Kooler sets his to comsume that much so he could change it if he wanted to.

@Jonny

Fantastic progress, that circuit is so cool 

Hi Stprue thanks for response I used the 2n3904 too not as kooler maybe I should use a thinner or thicker gauge coil.
I was seeing your board photo and you put three caps with the transistor what are those?
Thanks

Hi Stprue thanks for response I used the 2n3904 too not as kooler maybe I should use a thinner or thicker gauge coil.
I was seeing your board photo and you put three caps with the transistor what are those?
Thanks

Those caps were 221 but a 500v  mica works better.  Just try stuff!

P.S. the toroide was a 3.38" that I was using...right now I'm testing with a 1' goldmine  same wire guage

Hi stprue today I did this circuit but it was consuming about 0.25ma not 0.07ma. How did you acquire those results that you've said in consumption? Ok I had about nine leds and they lit very dim. Is it maybe I should use 470k pot cause I used a 220k?
Anyway thanks to kooler for the circuit.

@Jadaro.Thanks for the reply.The first thing i did when i found this effect was think like you and swapped in a diode and the effect does not happen,only with a transistor so there is something crazy going on but what?Jonny

It may be advisable to measure the ohmic resistance of the path and report / record the results.

Transistors have junction capacitance; cheap ones will inter operate their Collector and Emitter, one being operationally indistinguishable from the other.

I found a chilliqueen setup in which if I simply let a capacitor hook up off the base ( of the PNP ) connected to nothing, the circuit would function.  Diagram here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8564.msg219117#msg219117 already; this is similar to the capacitive coupling of the metal pans and such, just on a smaller scale.

Hi everyone

I am looking for a 3 inch good toroid [/]so I can make a 1000-1500 volt joule thief, anyone point me in the right direction please !!!

yes well another wild sun day and my kids are over ... 

: )

its even wilder than usual ...   considering i got my HELTH PAC half uncovered.. ; )

i used to think i needed large cores ...  but since they only sell them in the US and they want an arm a leg and an ear for 1 ... 

I TOLD THEM TO KEEP THERE GARBAGE ...

: )

TRY A 1" GOLD MINE ...  : )

ALI MADE YOU A COIL!    LMFAO! 

TAKE AS MANY GM CORES AS YOU LIKE ...  WRAP A WIRE ROUND THEM ...

DONE DEAL ..

IST!

you then use my jt board to charge the 8 caps that will self fire to the high volt  primary  rappid fire ...

8 caps dumped 1 primary ....

: )

silly humans! 

maybe 1 day they get it ...

YEA I KICK MY FEET UP AND LAUGH AT GADGET !   AS HE SAYS I NEED TO USE MY W CORE ....

no  i do not !    lol 

what is the result if i have 1 wire 1 turn  around 30 cores ...  each core has a secondary on it ...  and input voltage ..  some where around 100vdc to 400vdc ...

yea i thought so ..........

: )

come on humans ....  tell me it aint my work ... 


: )

that is why it exisits in my mind ..  NOT YOURS ...  RIGHT ?~

Xee2:

Have I been missing something with these circuits?  Does that tube really light with just one wire and you don't have to be touching it?  If it does, try a bigger tube and I'll bet it lights even brighter on the same power.

Bill