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nightlife

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2008, 03:41:43 PM »
CLaNZeR, I agree and I too have seen that happen and that is why I try to bring up the threads topic at least every couple of postings as I did in my last post.

4Tesla

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2008, 07:18:23 PM »
@Sean

So back to the threads topic.. do we have any more details of the build of this device?

Thanks,
Jason

Omega_0

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2008, 07:59:59 AM »
Looks like a few variations on gravity-magnet combo.
So many of us are trying to find a sweet spot where the gravity pulls the wheel down and magnets restore it back to its starting position, which falls again.
These wheels (in pics) obviously don't seem to be working, but I'm not sure. And why would someone want to remain hidden with non working wheels ? Does he want to give an impression that he is hiding because he has working versions?

exnihiloest

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2008, 11:56:49 AM »
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People post reasons why it will NOT work, like we are all idiots because we did not listen in science/physics Class while in school. The truth is we DID listen, but are still hoping something has been missed and may be discovered.
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Hi Seans,

The problem is the wasted time in trying again and again wrong tracks in which many others have already failed. It is due to ignorance so people posting reasons why it will not work are right. Remember that nobody has yet presented an OU device that everybody can duplicate.

The typical example is magnetic (or gravitational) OU motors. It is a question of potentials. Magnets move to reduce their mutual magnetic potential energy. If there is no potential difference, they is nothing to let them move.
In order a system to be sustaining, it must be looped, i.e the initial and final positions must be the same to repeat the cycle. It follows the potential difference along a looped path is globally null, thus no OU can be expected: there is always a "sticky point" in a segment of a looped path with a potential gap equal (but with a reversed polarity) to the potential gap of the other section.

"It will NOT work" because there is no potential difference, or differently said, the work done does not depend on the path. You can imagine complicated setup with versatile path and many magnets, it will NOT work. It will not work except if...

Except if the main stream science is wrong and the work done by magnets is path dependant. In this case, complicated setups are not required. You just have to do precise measurements in basic experiments on the distances and forces applying to magnets when moving them carefully from one point to another using different paths, and then to compute the work.
I saw only one smart person (if I remember, he was an electronic engineer) who claimed that the work to separate two facing magnets was 10% less when pulling them away while keeping them facing than when sliding them away side by side. The only reason I did not try myself is because I estimated that his experimental setup was far outside a 10% precision but this guy applied the good method.
99% of OU magnet motor builders are not only wasting their time but also wasting the time of others by making stupid claims when they have nothing: "just the sticky point to pass and my motor will work" :-))). They mask the 1% of valuable people who suggest rational methods, point exactly the possible holes in the main stream science or would present a real duplicable proof of concept. And I do not even speak here about scams which add even more noise in FE energy.

The conclusion is that FE is not a question of blind faith or egocentric conviction but a question of imagination, reason and work. It can be done neither by neglecting all the actual scientific knowledge nor by reproducing by ignorance all the errors of the past. People who remind us "why it will not work" are essential and welcomed.



tinu

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2008, 12:01:29 PM »
...or much shorter: PMMCNPW!

Mark69

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2008, 07:04:48 AM »
anyone building?

mrd10

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2008, 02:09:09 AM »
I can......got about 30 odd of those exact magnets.......

Michelinho

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2008, 05:16:39 AM »
Hi all,

I find that magnetic motor ingenious, the things that tell me it works is the round magnet used in the rotor and the horseshoe shape of the stator. Very well done video that shows there is no tricks and it works.

Many thanks to this person for spreading the word.

Take care,

Michel

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2008, 07:14:10 PM »
Just followed the defunct you-tube video reference here and watched the Avi.

That unit appears to be slowing down in a serious way.

We don't see it start or continue beyond the momentum range of the rotating parts.

As interesting as the assembly is, I don't see a flux interaction capable of sustaining the motion showed - in fact, the arrangement seems to do just the opposite - take the kinetic energy of the rotor and convert it to oscillatory action of the fulcrum balance.

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sm0ky2

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Re: Sabous Magnet Motor
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2008, 03:39:38 AM »
broli,
 I know exactly what I am talking about
   
 It does not show any excess free energy and can not unless it was to speed up to the point of self destruction.

sm0ky2, 
 Oh is it? If they are designed to produce more energy then they need to operate, then yes, they must be able to accelerate to the point of self destruction when no added resistance is presented.
 

 A maximum velocity can only be accounted for when a resistance is added. The maximum velocity is based on the resistance. If there is no resistance to a acceleration, the acceleration will accelerate to the point of self destruction. The point of self destruction would depend on the materials used in the design.
 We are talking about true magnetic fields here. All perpetual designs are designed to work off true magnetic fields. True magnetic field centers have no limits when they are introduced to a pull or a push. They will always pull to the center or always push from the center when another same magnetic field is presented depending on the magnetic fields pole position.
 If a perpetual motion design can not accelerate to the point of destruction with out a added resistance, it will never produce more energy that it needs to operate. Any resistance would slow it down until it stops.

 The only way a perpetual motion design can produce more then it requires to work is for it to be able to accelerate to the point of self destruction or it is able to accelerate to the point where it creates it's own resistance. The only way to keep it from self destructing is by adding a resistance.
 


Suppose for an instant, that a given device had a varying resistance factor by design, that increased with velocity.
Such that the faster it goes, the more resistance it recieves to its own motion, and it will eventually reach a velocity at which the resistance counters the driving force that is making it spin, thus no further acceleration.  When a load is applied, velocity decreases, as does the self-resistive component, and the machine powers the load.