@heairbear
Bill Beaty has an excellent site and I have been visiting it for years, I really like this quote in the link you posted.

N. Tesla (brushless AC motor)
An AC motor which lacks brushes was thought to be an instance of a Perpetual Motion Machine.

I have done extensive research into the history of the AC motor and found it disturbing that both the scientific and engineering communities could act in such an disgraceful manner towards AC technologies at the time .I think many professionals today see new technologies as a threat, and in some ways it does question there intellect. As if to say --- if you are so smart why didn't you see this new technolgy coming? and why do you not understand it? It would be a huge blow to there ego's since most of them are egomaniacs to begin with.LOL

Then you quote an ultimate lack of success as proof, as proof of what? I have colleagues in the field of engineering who have been working over 20 years on one single project, the physics say there project will work but a bunch of calculations on some papers is not reality, in reality developing new technology takes a great deal of time and effort, something I am guessing you know nothing about.

The difference in this case is that all of these backyard inventors hyped their technologies, roped in investors and then they are somehow 'lost' before they are made available. It's always the same pattern whether it is Dennis Lee, Steorn, Archer Quinn or whoever - it goes back centuries to Bessler. Nobody is ever able to recreate their experiments or technology.

Real science doesn't work that way. Even people working on projects for years find there are others working in parallel. The whole 'perpetual motion' field hasn't had a single workable breakthrough ever!

I added the link that was missed in my previous post
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Water_Fueled_Car_-_Sri_Lanka

Hi Allcanadian
Just ignore him, he has been doing the same mindless thing to me on other posts.
He is a useless troll.
On the Stanley Meyer subject, has anyone looked at this Website and in particular the Stack?
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Water_Fueled_Car_-_Sri_Lanka
Interesting! I am constructing mine the same way for a  good reason.
professor

@wizardofmars,

I cannot agree with your overgeneralization of those on this site.  I would question how many of the topics you have actually spent time reading in detail.  Your Newbie status might be an indicator, or it may not.

But in any case, I believe a more fair observation of the discussions on this site would show quite a variety of backgrounds and knowledge represented.  There are those from mechanical and electrical engineering backgrounds, also chemical engineering.  There have also been those with true science background, traditional training, currently employed in commercial labs. 

When you talk about delusion and groupthink, I would suggest you expand your observation group and rethink, as I would propose your conclusion lacks proper evidence and justification – and is hence just an opinion and not scientific.

My observation has been that there are many points of view represented here.  And while the overall theme may, in some opinions, be impossible, that it is exactly this kind of mix of believers, non-believers, science and engineering explorers that can leverage the Internet to discover new technologies.
 
Also, you should recognize that many of the projects undertaken here are along similar paths as traditional mainstream scientific research.  Hydrogen, HHO, and related topics are examples also being done at universities and in commercial entities.  So while you have pointed out “perpetual motion” as a topic that can demonstrate no success (and I assume you imply it is without scientific basis), that is only one of many, many types of projects discussed here.

On the other hand, I am not saying that anyone sensible should just blindly believe what they read here.  Some of the topics just blow my mind and I find them absolutely silly.  Others degrade into childish name calling and insults that just belittle the whole concept of the site.

I would suggest that before you draw more conclusions and jump into one side of an argument or the other (as you have done with Jason’s case), that you spend a little more time evaluating the situation to give a more accurate representation of what happens here, and also to have a better informed opinion before you express it.

Regards,
jeffc

Jeff

Thanks for your thoughtful posting. For your info, it's a field I've been studying for 20+ years. Many years ago I believed all this nonsense - my grandmother filled my head full of Erik von Daniken, Lobsang Rampa, Kirlian aura's and Carlos Castaneda among others bogus mystical and pseudoscience topics. I was literally a subscriber to many of these ideas. It took me years to figure out how to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I have to disagree about the content of this board. It seems to me that overunity.com is all about the wildest kind of pseudoscience. Just a survey of the front page right now would tell you that. We have several old chestnuts (Tesla, Steven Marks, Meyer, Bedini), aliens, cancer cures, the New World Order, chemtrails, water cars, flying cars, HHO etc etc. About the only pseudoscience topic I don't see listed is Bigfoot.

I realize posting is unlikely to convince someone who is of this worldview. Having said that, better to light one candle in the dark than to curse the darkness. For every hundred people who refuse any criticism, perhaps one reader sees the light.

Wiz

Jeff

Thanks for your thoughtful posting. For your info, it's a field I've been studying for 20+ years. Many years ago I believed all this nonsense - my grandmother filled my head full of Erik von Daniken, Lobsang Rampa, Kirlian aura's and Carlos Castaneda among others bogus mystical and pseudoscience topics. I was literally a subscriber to many of these ideas. It took me years to figure out how to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I have to disagree about the content of this board. It seems to me that overunity.com is all about the wildest kind of pseudoscience. Just a survey of the front page right now would tell you that. We have several old chestnuts (Tesla, Steven Marks, Meyer, Bedini), aliens, cancer cures, the New World Order, chemtrails, water cars, flying cars, HHO etc etc. About the only pseudoscience topic I don't see listed is Bigfoot.

I realize posting is unlikely to convince someone who is of this worldview. Having said that, better to light one candle in the dark than to curse the darkness. For every hundred people who refuse any criticism, perhaps one reader sees the light.

Wiz

Very fair response Wiz.  I would agree as I said before that I also find some topics quite silly.  And I can understand specifically your history in belief about all of the supposed OU/FE devices that have conveniently disappeared over the years.  Those things I view with suspicion as well.  But I still do think that there are many topics with a very sane group participating, and that any serious efforts aren't really undermined by aliens, or wild new fantasies about our alien overlords, or even bigfoot 

My main thought in responding to your post is that when a new person like Jason comes to this site, and makes the challenge he does – to prove the not provable.  And he immediately finds the answer he wants in some responses – namely that everything here is rubbish, then we don’t give some efforts here a fair representation.

In any case, I mostly observe and try to keep an eye on things that appear to have real experimentation as opposed to just theory play.  Also, I will admit to reading the more outlandish topics from time to time, just out of pure entertainment.

Anyway, I’m neither a skeptic or believer.  But, we need a variety of opinions here to keep things in some sort of balance.  I hope to see you more here and thanks for a proper discussion.

Regards,
jeffc

I value all of your opinions... What do you consider this car in the video? Does it really work or is it a scam? Nothing ever came of this vehicle but I would have loved to see it and how it was built.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syc2Z9I_C8A

Plants split water using electromagnetic wave energy .... Unreal how far science is behind nature. 

Why would you even state that 'science is so far behind nature'. Nature has had million of years to evolve these mechanisms. Human science has barely been around for thousands of years. Any scientist will acknowledge we don't know everything about biology, physics, astrology etc.

And plants don't use 'electomagnetic wave energy' for photocatalysis - they use manganese clusters powered by sunlight to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.  You can read some work of actual scientists at Princeton working on biosolar along these lines at http://www.princeton.edu/~catalase/home.html.

The photocatalytic reaction you refer to is the subject of much research and some of it has already resulted in patents  e.g. USPTO 6,316,653 Highly reactive, stable tetramanganese-oxo cubane complexes, their synthesis and their use as a functional catalyst for in vitro O2 production...These catalysts may be used for the oxidation of water to oxygen and hydrogen peroxide and may also be used to catalyze the oxidation of chloride and simple chloride compounds to chlorine gas.

Truth... I'm a member on this site since the yahoo's, and a "pseudoscience" is the main thing which comes to my mind whenever a think about all of this....
It was always a mistery to me, why all the  top 'FE' people/researchers  think that the "rest" of the technically viable people (some 99,99% of the classically trained technicians,..engineers,..science teachers,.. doctors ...) could be so dumb not to recognise a 'FE'....?

Here is what a real 'alternative energy' forum looks like. Real people discussing real technology you can use today. I don't see aliens, NESARA, water cars, cancer cures and all the other BS on this site.

http://www.solarpowerforum.net/forumVB/