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Title: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 05, 2008, 11:03:07 AM
Hi All,
I visited about 20 years ago in around 1987/88 an inventor
living near Munich,Germany.

He was working on a great magnet motor.
At this time he was only having weak ferrite magnets,
but with todays Neodymn magnets this motor could
really work overunity, if it will be designed also with better coils.

I just uploaded the video I took at this time now to my google video account:

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=368366283936115731


It is in German language, but just have a look at it.

This way, normal car motors can be converted to run on magnet power.

He is using Iron cores with an electromagnet inside the iron tube.
The piston magnet is sucked into the iron tube and when the electromagnet is
energized, the piston magnet is pushed out of the iron tube.

At the time when I was visiting, he was still driving the electromagnets
via contact points from a car battery.
It was using at this time around 12 Volts and 20 amps pulses to switch
the electromagnets.
But with a better electromagnet design ala Newman coil and
new very strong Neodymn magnets this could be powered much longer
and the sparks from the Newman coils could reacharge the batteries.

Then it could go overunity.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 05, 2008, 11:13:20 AM
P.S: From minute 19:20 of this above video you can see the iron tubes with the electromagnet inside.
The electromagnet is used to repell the piston magnets out of the iron tube again.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 05, 2008, 11:23:26 PM
Hello Stefan,

This is what I found on 'baecker konrad' in espacenet in the 'inventor'-field.

This is the weblink for espacenet:
http://v3.espacenet.com/results?sf=a&FIRST=1&CY=nl&LG=nl&DB=EPODOC&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=baecker+konrad&EC=&IC=&=&=&=&=&= (http://v3.espacenet.com/results?sf=a&FIRST=1&CY=nl&LG=nl&DB=EPODOC&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=baecker+konrad&EC=&IC=&=&=&=&=&=)

Two magnetic engine patents and one rotary internal combustion engine:
DE3633775, DE102004009011, WO99/46482

I suppose you are talking about the older patent DE3633775. Patents with 'behoerdeneigentum' may be particularly intriguing.

Ceres
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: pese on June 06, 2008, 10:56:10 AM
http://v3.espacenet.com/results?sf=a&FIRST=1&CY=nl&LG=nl&DB=EPODOC&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=baecker+konrad&EC=&IC=&=&=&=&=&=

An working link
Gustav Pese
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: helmut on June 06, 2008, 11:50:13 AM
http://v3.espacenet.com/results?sf=a&FIRST=1&CY=nl&LG=nl&DB=EPODOC&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=baecker+konrad&EC=&IC=&=&=&=&=&=

An working link
Gustav Pese

Danke Gustav
Guter Link   Man k?nnte meinen,der Nordpolmotor w?re l?ngst schon erfunden.

helmut
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 06, 2008, 04:22:08 PM
Helmut,

Ist der Over Unity Nordpol oder Suedpol motor schon laengst erfunden? Wer hat das geschafft? Welche links koennen Sie geben? Ich mag exakte Beispiele.

Ceres
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: helmut on June 07, 2008, 12:29:39 AM
Helmut,

Ist der Over Unity Nordpol oder Suedpol motor schon laengst erfunden? Wer hat das geschafft? Welche links koennen Sie geben? Ich mag exakte Beispiele.

Ceres

@Ceres
Bitte sehen sie sich die verf?gbaren Patente in Ruhe an und vergleichen den Grundaufbau mit
einem Pulsmotor.
Der von ihnen nachgefragte Overunity Norpol oder S?dpolmotor war zu keiner Zeit war
zu keiner Zeit Gegenstand meiner Anmerkung.
Links mit exacten Beispielen habe ich nicht im Angebot.
Jedenfalls erachte ich die verlinkten Patenthinweise als au?erordentlich wertvoll.

helmut
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: sulo-wilen on June 07, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
Cool!



I just figured out that I have an extra Ford V6 block that I could utilize..

And now I realized that I have an extra Oldsmobile V8 block too (Diesel 5.7 litre, useless P.O.S. as it is I believe stroke in that engine is really close 4" cylinder bore approx 4" (of coure I can tear down the cylinder pipes)) nothing beats cubic inches, or in this case coils, or should I say flux???


I Don't even care that would it run as an overunity machine, if It just could move my car around with reasonable amount of batteries on trunk..



But please, Let's keep this conversation in english, please?

Sketches anyone, Price estimation?

Base engine is cheap, coils I believe that I can do myself, but how about the Neodyms??  priceless??



 
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: gyulasun on June 07, 2008, 12:26:22 PM

Base engine is cheap, coils I believe that I can do myself, but how about the Neodyms??  priceless??


See this thread here on Neo magnets info: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4856.msg102823.html#msg102823
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 07, 2008, 01:18:08 PM
Okay, here is now the full PDF file for the patent for the movie
I uploaded.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get84


With todays Neodymn magnets this motor must be a real good alternative
and normal motors could be converted to it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 09, 2008, 03:39:04 PM
@Helmut,

Wie sehen sie sich dann die verfuegbare patente die ich gegeben habe in Ruhe an?
Was denken sie dann? Haben sie Over Unity Potenz, so ja, warum, so nein, warum nicht?

Herr Konrad Baecker hat gezeigt wie sein adaptierter DKW motor laeuft, also, was bedeutet das? Overunity mit einem Nordpol oder Suedpol motor?

Kann es wirklich klappen mit Elektromagneten zusammen mit permanentmagneten in der selben Art und Weise als Baecker hat gemacht mit Ferrit Magneten?

Das war in 1986, dasselbe Jahr worin Tschernobyl hat "geklappt". Auf primitivsten Sowjetischen Art und Weise so zu sagen.

Ceres






Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Dact on June 11, 2008, 06:22:06 AM
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Re: "Locked" current problem solved in Magneto designs
? Reply #1 on: June 27, 2007, 09:53:29 PM ?
   Reply with quoteQuote
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If you really solved this, then you have just possibly solved the problem of converting existing internal combustion engines to magnetic power, by only removing the piston rings(no compression needed), chamber oil, mounting a permanent magnet on top of the piston, and replacing the heads with electromagnets powered by a magneto! Just a thought!

I have been toying with this idea for quite a while, and I truly think it will work! Think of the implementation savings in years this would afford!
Due to financial and physical limitations, I was not able to produce a prototype, but I did model it in WM2d and it worked there, though with mixed results, probably due to my lack of experience. Please encourage anyone out there to continue this approach. The quote below is a reply to "Honk" from may 10th. I hope it encourages others to investigate this concept!

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17       Mechanical setups / Magnet Motors / Re: Reciprocating Permanent Magnet Motor Concept       on: May 11, 2008, 06:38:29 AM
Quote from: Honk on May 10, 2008, 08:58:16 PM
No magnet motor based on balancing the forces will work. Whether you use shielding or not.
This have been tried over and over in all thinkable combinations over the years.

Hi,

The aspect of this concept that intrigued me was not the balancing basis, but the reciprocating part. I believe that it is possible to convert a standard gasoline engine to a magnetically driven one, cheaply, as outrageous as that sounds. The advantages to such a conversion are obvious! The world is already clogged with autos, and there is simply no time left to replace them all with a new, designed-from-scratch power source. However, if all that was needed was a fairly inexpensive modification of existing engines, it would save billions in precious resources, such as iron, and could eliminate fossil fuel consumption in the land and water transportation and power systems. But time-to-implement would be the biggest savings.

Your obvious question is how? I am working on a model right now, and in the next few days will post it here. Hint: The answer, of course, when it  comes to magnets, is how to overcome all the limitations of previous designs, and the answer is initial power to start the process. We already have it in common use today.

I have been following your posts for a while now, and respect your insight greatly. Hopefully, you will please take a serious look at my proposal.

Until then,

Respectively,

Dact

Good luck1

Dact
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Walter Hofmann on June 11, 2008, 11:12:54 AM
Hi stefan
the original ford model T4 should have been capable of running on magnets in acordance to some info about ford beingthretend by the oil companys at the time he declared them if they dont stop threaden him he would send all his T4 customers a set of magnets and then they would need no petroleum at all. thats what Ed ledskalnin has used you can see the remain in the picture where he used a model T engine block with the flywheel still attached and there are the V kind af magnets .
the old magneto from the DKW ( a re engieniered version was the P50 in the DDR) was build similar it worked as a starter and generator with a bloc k from them and all the cylinder piston etc. removed it did run after push up on its own.
I just thought to put ,y experience from the time here .
greetings
walt

Okay, here is now the full PDF file for the patent for the movie
I uploaded.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get84


With todays Neodymn magnets this motor must be a real good alternative
and normal motors could be converted to it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 11, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Helmut,
I am afraid English and not German language is here to stay.


Hello all, hello Walter,
This is interesting you come up with Leedskalnin and T-Ford model being also fit to receive magnets. I found Leedskalnin's book 'magnet current'. Veeery interesting to see all his experimenting. Great to see the total absence of mathematics, this is how exciting physics can and should be. We do not need mathematics at all, OK, in the end, after a successfull experiment we could decide to start doing some math.

He also did a little experiment with an iron cored coil surrounded by an iron tube. I wonder how Baecker's configuration can be explained in terms of changing the magnetic path temporarily by electric pulse in the iron cored coil placed transversally into the tube-formed permanent magnet. Also why not so much electric energy is needed to change temporarily the flux's path in order to get the magnet piston in TDC for the power stroke.

You are talking about a picture of Leedskalnin's experimental T-Ford-engine. Can you upload it?
Also do you have any references where I can find more information on this episode of unfriendly exchange between Ford and Oh Lord All Mighty Oil?
Do you have references or info on these kind of Leedskalnin's experiments?

This is the link where I found Leedskalnin's 'magnet current' book, published Rock Gate 1945.

http://www.scribd.com, you have to register though, it's a simple process.

A lot of interesting electronic books. e.g.. 736 pages 5 books of Noam Chomsky on politics.

Are you aware you can find many patents in the patent databases which describe this principle of permanent magnets in the piston and electromagnets in the engine head, engines claimed to be running by themselves without any fuel?

Ceres
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Walter Hofmann on June 11, 2008, 12:02:09 PM
hi ceres,
yes I got picture ( my own of all the equipment what was left after gouverment raid on ed's property I was there a few times. I will upload them over the weekend.
I have to look for the info on ford.
thanks for the link
greetings
walt

Helmut,
I am afraid English and not German language is here to stay.


Hello all, hello Walter,
This is interesting you come up with Leedskalnin and T-Ford model being also fit to receive magnets. I found Leedskalnin's book 'magnet current'. Veeery interesting to see all his experimenting. Great to see the total absence of mathematics, this is how exciting physics can and should be. We do not need mathematics at all, OK, in the end, after a successfull experiment we could decide to start doing some math.

He also did a little experiment with an iron cored coil surrounded by an iron tube. I wonder how Baecker's configuration can be explained in terms of changing the magnetic path temporarily by electric pulse in the iron cored coil placed transversally into the tube-formed permanent magnet. Also why not so much electric energy is needed to change temporarily the flux's path in order to get the magnet piston in TDC for the power stroke.

You are talking about a picture of Leedskalnin's experimental T-Ford-engine. Can you upload it?
Also do you have any references where I can find more information on this episode of unfriendly exchange between Ford and Oh Lord All Mighty Oil?
Do you have references or info on these kind of Leedskalnin's experiments?

This is the link where I found Leedskalnin's 'magnet current' book, published Rock Gate 1945.

http://www.scribd.com, you have to register though, it's a simple process.

A lot of interesting electronic books. e.g.. 736 pages 5 books of Noam Chomsky on politics.

Are you aware you can find many patents in the patent databases which describe this principle of permanent magnets in the piston and electromagnets in the engine head, engines claimed to be running by themselves without any fuel?

Ceres

Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 11, 2008, 12:32:36 PM
Hello Walter,

My pleasure. Take your time. I am looking forward to it. I find it quite intriguing you have been at Leedskalnin's place! It may be no coincidence I ran into this Leedskalnin treatise on magnet current this week!

I forgot to stress an important point in Konrad Baecker's configuration. The iron cored coil is placed transversally, which is conceptually totally different from the many patents describing and ICE Internal Combustion Engine with permanent magnets in the piston and electromagnets on top of that.

This aspect is also what makes Baecker's configuration so promising. On the video I get the impression he needs some time to load the accumulator, which brings a lower torque on the mechanical side of the engine, but after this reloading the engine is in full swing again. I would love to have a dyno-meter on that engine in the whole process of running without accu loading and with accu loading to get an measured impression of the COP.

Ceres

Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 11, 2008, 11:00:27 PM
Hi Ceres and all,
the Baecker motor did not havemuch torque,
when I was there about 20 years ago.

I did not follow up on him since then,
cause he first wanted to patent things and then
I got distracted with other things.

Well, it would be interesting to know, if he is still alive today.

Maybe I will try to give him a call again
and see, what he came up with later..

Well, at least the principle is very intersting and
I thought, I should post this old video of mine
and with todays permanent magnets this might
be an easy modification to an existing car engine.

If you combine this principle with the
carbon-arc experiments at the control points commutator, where you can get
get bigger current spikes back to the battery, you could
have a selfcharging battery when the motor runs
and only use up some graphite-copper contact points.


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: dirt diggler on June 12, 2008, 01:10:57 AM
Hello All. not sure if this is the right spot to post this or not, feel free to move it if there is a better place.
The idea of converting auto engines to magnetic power has always intrigued me. I believe I have found an engine design that would work better than others, maybe even to the point of running on permanent magnets only.
the engine is the world war 1 gnome rotary.  this engine has the cranckcase bolted solid to the front of the plane, and the radially mounted cylinders rotate around the fixed pistons. see here for animation:http://www.keveney.com/gnome.html (http://www.keveney.com/gnome.html)

My thoughts are to have opposing magnets on the tops of the pistons and on the heads, then have the crank timed to have each piston repelling after top dead center.
let me know what you think ;D
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: FredWalter on June 12, 2008, 04:04:38 AM
Well, at least the principle is very intersting and I thought, I should post this old video of mine and with todays permanent magnets this might be an easy modification to an existing car engine.

Would either Flynn's parallel path technology, or the Hilden-Brand magnetic valve technology, help here?
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 12, 2008, 03:30:16 PM
@Stefan,

Sorry, I forgot to thank you. Thank you very much for starting this thread by giving this Baecker video from the eighties. No worries it seems to produce low torque or power. It's the approach and concept from whatever time and age which will be decisive in my opinion. Even a 12th century concept may be of interest. This is where historical research and analysis can really help to advance modern technology.

I think there possibly is in Baecker's adapted DKW engine a new concept for guiding flux at a moderate electrical energy cost, which opens horizon for a high COP. Another important aspect I find the longer way of interaction between piston magnet and cylinder magnet. This seems to be really an innovation by Baecker in comparison with other magnet motor concepts.

I hope Konrad Baecker is still alive and able to give his side of the story. On the video he appears to be in his fourties or fifties, maybe he is still alive and kicking in his seventies?! Maybe he has had an accident or just died of natural causes, anything is possible.

From the video it looks like the engine has not much torque as you can see the difference in speed of the pistons between unloaded condition and loaded by the alternator to recharge the battery. Still I would be curious for a dynotest.
Also, how much time could the engine run without battery recharging as compared to the time needed to charge the battery again? This kind of information could give a clue about the COP if I am not wrong?

Where can we find more information on this copper-graphite-plasma-arc process and commutator? Although of importance, the controller-aspect and the battery-loading aspect, the lower the torqueloss for recharging the battery the better it is, even then I find it first of all important to establish the quality of the principle or concept.
When there really was a COP > 1,00 in his case, using Ferrite Magnets, then Permanent Magnets could give a higher torque and higher power and maybe even higher COP.
One of the main questions for me is: are we able to detour the permanent magnets flux temporarily at the comparably same low electrical energy cost as in Baeckers Ferrite application?


@FredWalter,
You are damn right, one good way to see quality is to compare a new approach with other high quality approaches. Flynn as well as Hildenbrand would help here to see in what respect Baecker's approach is a new approach on its own. Baecker is doing something with a transversally placed iron cored coil within a bent permanent magnet. Totally different approach from Hildenbrand, at least that's my first feeling about it. In Hildenbrand's magnetic valve, the coil is behind the permanent magnet path, here the coil is within the permanent magnet, although creating a bridge between the permanent magnet's two polar legs.

What is surprising to me is the apparently low level of electrical energy needed to get the permanent magnet fluxes path changed temporarily. This is similar to Hildenbrand so it seems. Beware, we have no measurements, no data, just impressions from the video.

All in all it gives me the feeling some kind of extra magnetic energy could be coming in, triggered by the electric pulse, some anti-Lorentz-force-like balancing out of fluxes. I am not saying it is a Lorentzforce, I mean it is a process possibly similar to Lorentz-Lenz-law-responses, but then the other way around. This time it is adding - instead of counteracting like in the Lenz-case - extra flux to the flux being produced by the electrically energized iron cored coil, maybe because nature does for some reason or another not allow a flux difference between the two magnetic paths. The last thing is just an idea, some scientists use the word 'hypothesis' for it and start writing books about it. Nature seems to be balancing things out all the time. Once you switch on it produces a counter-force, once you switch off it produces a counter-counter-force, which is force again etc. etc.

The reason why some extra energy from somewhere I suppose must be coming in, because otherwise I do not understand and cannot explain why the flux from the end of the permanent magnets legs can be "sucked" away temporarily by a moderate electrical energy pulse in the bridging iron cored coil. I can imagine the upper part flux from the top of the permanent magnet can be forced to go through the iron cored coil bridge, but for the lower permanent magnet legs part, I do not see, how these fluxes can be led away temporarily, maybe through the coilbridge as well, maybe through the surrounding iron engine, I do not understand now, how exactly all this can be explained.
Main questions for me: what is happening in the energized situation with the flux paths? Why does magnetic saturation in the iron cored coil not prevent the total temporary absorption of cylinder head magnet flux?

Of course, an explanation is not necessary for building, experimenting and testing, but a good explanation might improve the experimental setup in advance and improve chances of an immediate success.

Ceres





Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 12, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
I just tried to look up
the phone number from Konrad B?cker
in Rathausstrasse 36, 85757 Karlsfeld, Germany,
where his latest patent was issued from in 2005,
but there is no phone number listed in the current German online
directory, nor did I find his phone number in my old files...

So does anyone know the phone number of him,
please let me know
privately and I will give him a call.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan Hartmann.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 12, 2008, 04:24:04 PM


What is surprising to me is the apparently low level of electrical energy needed to get the permanent magnet fluxes path changed temporarily. This is similar to Hildenbrand so it seems. Beware, we have no measurements, no data, just impressions from the video.


Hi ceres,
be sure to watch the video to the whole end.
There was a cut on the video at 23:37 min and the next day I went there again and you can see it in the last part of this video
from 23:37 minute on...
I connected an ampmeter , a voltmeter and my scope and the motor drew about 12 Volts x 15 to 17 amps average = about 200 Watts of input power.

I guess with the right coils and modern permanent magnets I could reduce this to around 10 to 20 Watts of input power only and
get much more mechanical power out of it.

Mr. B?cker did not have much knowledge of electronics and coil building and inductance and BackEMF effects at this time, so
he did design the coils very much with the wrong wire sizes, etc... so it did use up too much power...

Yes, it is a simular principle as the Hilden-Brandt valve design.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I tied to call his patent attorny, but Mr. senior Fleuchaus was already not working anymore,
but I got another colleague and they will try to find his phone number in their files tommorow.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: hartiberlin on June 12, 2008, 04:43:36 PM
I just reached the other gentleman, who was with me during my visit and
he will also try to look up in his files for the phone number of Mr. B?cker.
So if we are lucky, I will soon call Mr. B?cker and follow this up.

Regardsm Stefan.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: ceres on June 12, 2008, 05:24:06 PM
At dirt diggler,

The Gnome looks impressive, indeed the designer must have been a bit of a crazy man, yet, those are the ones to come up with new approaches.
As I wrote before, many patents exist applying instead of internal combustion a combination of permanent magnet power and magnet power from a pulsed iron cored coil, so in my view this is the basic principle we have to study, whether applied in the Gnome or in the conventional Otto engine does not really matter to me. The Gnome is adding mechanical complexity, not potential advantage over the basic Otto engine mechanism to replace combustion by ingenious electromagnetic trickery. Maybe I am wrong.

Question remains: which combination and configuration of electromagnet and permanent magnet in the ICE does produce a COP > 1,00 with a torque high enough to get the engine, car, boat, airplane whatever going.

@Stefan,
I promise to see the whole video before asking questions again.

How in a rough estimate does your 200 Watt reduction of input power to 20 Watt compare to the mechanical output of Baeckers engine? The alternator he uses maybe has an efficiency of 60%?? So, when we know how much torque at how much rpm is the case when a basic car alternator is running, an estimate can be made of the amount of mechanical power being consumed to recharge the battery apart from the fact that the engine is still running, so it has extra or surplus mechanical energy apparently.

As for me, I would be satisfied with an engine COP > 1,00 although not possessing strong a torque enough to drive a car, I would be happy to have this engine drive a generator. There's cars enough in the universe, I couldn't care less. Running an alternator to produce free electricity is satisfactory for me.

Regards, Ceres

Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: FredWalter on June 20, 2008, 11:53:57 PM
Can this motor conversion be done with a single cylinder engine (say a lawn mower engine)?
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Low-Q on July 28, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
Hi All,
I visited about 20 years ago in around 1987/88 an inventor
living near Munich,Germany.

He was working on a great magnet motor.
At this time he was only having weak ferrite magnets,
but with todays Neodymn magnets this motor could
really work overunity, if it will be designed also with better coils.

I just uploaded the video I took at this time now to my google video account:

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=368366283936115731


It is in German language, but just have a look at it.

This way, normal car motors can be converted to run on magnet power.

He is using Iron cores with an electromagnet inside the iron tube.
The piston magnet is sucked into the iron tube and when the electromagnet is
energized, the piston magnet is pushed out of the iron tube.

At the time when I was visiting, he was still driving the electromagnets
via contact points from a car battery.
It was using at this time around 12 Volts and 20 amps pulses to switch
the electromagnets.
But with a better electromagnet design ala Newman coil and
new very strong Neodymn magnets this could be powered much longer
and the sparks from the Newman coils could reacharge the batteries.

Then it could go overunity.

Regards, Stefan.
A battery is allways welcome to make things work ;D ;D !!! Why is it so that the only videos regarding running motors have a battery or similar power supply attached to it?

Vidar
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Low-Q on July 28, 2008, 08:02:52 PM
Hello All. not sure if this is the right spot to post this or not, feel free to move it if there is a better place.
The idea of converting auto engines to magnetic power has always intrigued me. I believe I have found an engine design that would work better than others, maybe even to the point of running on permanent magnets only.
the engine is the world war 1 gnome rotary.  this engine has the cranckcase bolted solid to the front of the plane, and the radially mounted cylinders rotate around the fixed pistons. see here for animation:http://www.keveney.com/gnome.html (http://www.keveney.com/gnome.html)

My thoughts are to have opposing magnets on the tops of the pistons and on the heads, then have the crank timed to have each piston repelling after top dead center.
let me know what you think ;D
The drawback with any magnet motor on this planet, or in the universe for that matter, is that the magnets cannot be turned on and off on demand. You MUST spend energy to do this. Don't forget that you must use energy to position the magnets in repel mode - just as much energy you get out when the magnets repels over the same distance.
 Ther is no option to guide the magnetism away with iron parts. This require also the same amount of energy as you get out at the end. But still I'm not surprised if anyone still is trying to make a magnet motor.

Vidar
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: dieter on August 23, 2008, 05:01:04 AM
If it was easy then it probably would be boring. It's a fascinating challenge. Just like the "Egg of Columbus" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus )
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Low-Q on August 24, 2008, 04:01:16 PM
If it was easy then it probably would be boring. It's a fascinating challenge. Just like the "Egg of Columbus" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus )
Where the air bubble is you can crack the egg a bit without messing all over the place. Then it stands by itself... or attach magnets to it ;D

Vidar
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Discworld on August 25, 2008, 10:38:05 AM
IMHO this attempt is nonsense, there is no point for using a piston engine concept for a magnet-motor.
As we all know the efficiency of piston-engines is horrible.If you can interrupt a magnetic field on a piston
type engine you can do that also on a radial type. But that actually is the point where all the attempts stumble.
There is no material blocking a magnetic field while being not magnetic itself.
Having such a material would probably make 80% of the attemps working, no matter how they are constructed.

The sad thing is, that inefficient attempts and
i.e. words like "360000 gauss" and putting the engine with a v-belt on a generator (OMG!) as in the perendev patent
make conventional scientists laugh at the scene while the work on overunity devices get more noncredible with every attempt.

The good thing about Baecker is, that he doesn?t claim to know what he is doing. A lot of people in the scene
do but don?t know a crumble of cake about what they are doing.

Baecker might have made some progress but I hope he didn?t continue with that piston-nonsense. ;-)
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Low-Q on August 25, 2008, 10:12:38 PM
Good point you have there.

Vidar
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: dieter on August 26, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
I was referring to Vidars statement, a magnet could not be turned on and off. You can turn the ferromagnetism of metal on and off by using the curie temperature. For example I have some Gadolinium here, with a Curie Temp of only 16? Celsius (this is about room temperature). (Tesla had a patent on such a Termomagnetic motor). But this thing is highly inefficient, a lot of heat energy is required, and the demagnetisation is very slow. Maybe there are other ways, less energy consuming ways. Maybe some egg-of-columbus trick must be used. Everything is allowed, no rules there.
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Discworld on August 27, 2008, 01:55:07 PM
hmmm the question is if the material is still shielding the field on curie temperature
if it does there is need to keep the area on the temperature, thats probably what you meant with a lot of heat energy
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: guruji on December 03, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
Is there a translator out there so that we know what he's saying?
Thanks
Title: Re: Konrad Baecker Magnet motor converted from a DKW car motor
Post by: Low-Q on December 04, 2009, 12:01:03 AM
About shielding, there is no matter on this planet that will shield magnetism. The properties of such material, like iron, is a good conductor of magnetism. Any such shield will therfor guide the magnetism through it and get magnetized itself and destroy the whole benifit of shielding - because the shielding material is attraced to the magnetism. If it just was so simple that we could make a shadow from the magnetic field - like partially blocking the light from the sun - if so, I agree that 80% of all attempts would work. Magnetism is however not radiant energy but a potential that cannot be reflected, nor shielded, so no shadow can be made. The magnetism is pure static force. Regardless of positioning, guiding of magnetic forces or anything else for that mater, still magnetism isn't energy like a force in motion by itself. It is static. WE must move that force to convert our motion into kinetic energy - but then the whole point with a free energy magnetic device is gone.

Keep thinking though. Maybe one day....

Vidar