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Title: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 05, 2008, 09:39:00 AM
Has anybody ever seen the structure of a atom.  It look like a small universe.  What if our universe is simply a form of a atom that makes up another planet structure or universe.  If that where true that means we could have trillions and trillions of universes sitting on out coffee table or that make up our PC pants water food trees grass dirt ETC.  They are just so small we cant even comprehend it.  That is a something i have thought of for quite some time.  what is your guys input? ???
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 05, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Howdy,

It goes the other way too.  Our entire galaxy is just a molecule in some giant dudes coffee cup.  You can think of dimension in our universe as X, Y and Z coordinates.  Then add the macrocosmic dimension and the microcosmic dimension, and you have 5 dimensions to the multiverse.  Add time to this and you have 6 dimensions.  Assuming that this is infinite in both the macrocosmic dimension and the microcosmic dimension there are literally an infinite number of universes.  In quantum mechanics this is called superspace.  It has also been referred to as the multiverse.

The thing that defines where we sit in the multiverse is consciousness.  Where is the reality that you perceive?  Your mind can take you anywhere in spacetime, anywhere in the multiverse.  Now physically you may not be able to traverse the multiverse, but your mind is free to go anywhere.  Advanced masters of the mind can physically transport themselves anywhere in the multiverse.  Teleportation of the physical body, time travel, and way faster than light travel are all possible when you master the powers of your mind.  It would be like having a TARDIS, except you wouldn't need the box.

Say you have an itch on your leg, and you scratch it, you could be wiping out a myriad of microcosmic galaxies.

So be careful what you do.  Someones galaxy might be at stake!

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: slapper on June 05, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&q=en

Warning: a total of 8hrs of vids. Enjoy.

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Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 05, 2008, 11:20:51 PM
haha nice... well now i wonder how we can put these micro people to work on our overunity projects.  i think that energy sources are all around us and so powerful we cant even begin to understand by the way we think now.  super duper electronic microscopes and telescopes don't even touch the corner of the true powers that we are at bay of.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: vdubdipr on June 07, 2008, 06:20:20 AM
man . i swear i think the same shit hal, and even just how the earth sits on its "axis" which is the polarity of the magnetic fields, which have shifted 3 degrees in the past 30 years or so.. so yeah thats how the earth orbits right? just the magnetic fields at work... hmm lets hook a serpentine belt around the sun and the earth to drive an altinator... lol....jackpot!
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: yoyo on June 07, 2008, 07:18:45 AM
what about a black hole
where do the energy it eat go?

another universe?

the bigbang mite be the energy from a blackhole in other universe
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 09, 2008, 05:32:03 PM
Howdy,

Black holes are just stars, but the emit a wavelength of light that is far out of the visible spectrum.  Astronomers use the X-Ray telescopes to "view" a black hole.  The energy level that the "black hole" emits is higher than a normal visible star.

OK, try this one.  Our solar system is pregnant.  It is fixing to give birth to a baby star system.  How is that for way out there.  I don't know who the father is.  Jupiter is supposedly going to "ignite" and become a star.  Jupiter already has 4 planet sized moons, and another 59 dwarf moons.  So, upon ignition the Jupiter Star system already has four planets.  The increased energy from the ignition will cause the Jupiter Star System to slowly push itself out of the Sol Star System (our solar system).  As it is pushing itself away the orbits of its 4 planets will expand, and the dwarf moons will be attracted into the orbits of Jupiter's planets.  It could also snag some of Sols planets on its journey away from Sol.

So from a macrocosmic view this is cell division.  This one star system is diving into two star systems.  I guess you could call it asexual reproduction.   Things happening on the macrocosmic scale take a long time relative to us microbeings.  God sees this in a microscope and it takes a few seconds relative to His perspective.  We have the opposite vantage point, looking at the same thing through a telescope, and it takes millions of years.

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 09, 2008, 07:05:19 PM
My brain hurts  :-\
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: utilitarian on June 09, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
Howdy,

Black holes are just stars, but the emit a wavelength of light that is far out of the visible spectrum.  Astronomers use the X-Ray telescopes to "view" a black hole.  The energy level that the "black hole" emits is higher than a normal visible star.

OK, try this one.  Our solar system is pregnant.  It is fixing to give birth to a baby star system.  How is that for way out there.  I don't know who the father is.  Jupiter is supposedly going to "ignite" and become a star.  Jupiter already has 4 planet sized moons, and another 59 dwarf moons.  So, upon ignition the Jupiter Star system already has four planets. 

Dude, please stop making up stuff.

Black holes are not "just stars" which emit a different light.  Black holes are imploded stars which emit nothing, as far as we know.  Maybe someday we will discover if they emit something, but no, we are not catching their X-Rays.  We know about black holes because of the effect they have on light and objects around them.

Second, no, Jupiter is not going to become another sun.  It is simply not large enough to sustain an ongoing fusion reaction.  Jupiter does have an ample supply of hydrogen, but that alone is not enough.

What happens with stars is they are so massive that the pressure at the core is sufficient enough to fuse light elements into heavier ones.  For example, in the case of our Sun, hydrogen fuses into helium.  But below certain temperatures and pressures, the fusion reaction will not be able to continue, and the object will never become a star.

It is generally accepted through theory and observations that it takes about 0.08 of our Sun's mass for an object to be able to sustain fusion.  Jupiter is about 0.001 of the sun's mass, so to be a star, it would need to be 80 times larger.

Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Mr.Entropy on June 09, 2008, 08:12:47 PM
Has anybody ever seen the structure of a atom.  It look like a small universe.
No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 09, 2008, 08:24:48 PM
YES IT DOES  http://www.alancolville.com/mineral/atom_structure1.jpg  99.9% of a atom is empty space
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 09, 2008, 10:01:08 PM
Howdy Utilitarian,

Well the subject matter of this thread didn't seem that serious, microcosmic and macrocosmic universes.  So I felt that adding a little Cosmic Folklore wouldn't hurt either.  So, you have been in close proximity to a black hole?  You can tell through first hand experience what it really is, or are you relying of the theoretical blatherings of astronomers and astrophysicists who have only viewed a black hole from half a galaxy away?  The same thing about Jupiter forming a baby star system, you have personal experience in what it takes to create sustained fusion and ignite a star?   Or do you have more theoretical blatherings from some nuclear physicists?  My information was channeled from an Archangel, who I trust infinitely more than any human scientist.

I really didn't think this topic was all that "Hard Facts of Science" dude, lighten up.

You are really going to hate it when the Galactic Federation burns off the ozone layer.  Supposedly the ozone layer was purposely placed on our planet to limit our ability to see ships traveling in deep space.  This way the Forces of Darkness could keep us subservient to them and not allow us to know of our ancient heritage in countless other worlds throughout our galaxy.

Between Jupiter and the Ozone Layer you are going to need better sunglasses...

Blessed Be Brother... :-*
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: utilitarian on June 10, 2008, 03:18:14 AM
Howdy Utilitarian,

Well the subject matter of this thread didn't seem that serious, microcosmic and macrocosmic universes.  So I felt that adding a little Cosmic Folklore wouldn't hurt either.  So, you have been in close proximity to a black hole?  You can tell through first hand experience what it really is, or are you relying of the theoretical blatherings of astronomers and astrophysicists who have only viewed a black hole from half a galaxy away?  The same thing about Jupiter forming a baby star system, you have personal experience in what it takes to create sustained fusion and ignite a star?   Or do you have more theoretical blatherings from some nuclear physicists?  My information was channeled from an Archangel, who I trust infinitely more than any human scientist.

I really didn't think this topic was all that "Hard Facts of Science" dude, lighten up.

You are really going to hate it when the Galactic Federation burns off the ozone layer.  Supposedly the ozone layer was purposely placed on our planet to limit our ability to see ships traveling in deep space.  This way the Forces of Darkness could keep us subservient to them and not allow us to know of our ancient heritage in countless other worlds throughout our galaxy.

Between Jupiter and the Ozone Layer you are going to need better sunglasses...

Blessed Be Brother... :-*

Oh, the invisible man in the sky told you all this.  You should have said so from the beginning.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Mr.Entropy on June 10, 2008, 05:11:44 AM
YES IT DOES  http://www.alancolville.com/mineral/atom_structure1.jpg  99.9% of a atom is empty space

The universe (AFAWK) has no center, no nucleus, and nothing orbiting around its middle (oh yeah, no middle!).  The matter in it is distributed in a statistically uniform, but clumpy way.  It looks nothing like an atom.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 10, 2008, 06:26:05 AM
well what i meant was the planetary system. 

And anyhow, how do you know that the universe has no middle and that galaxies do not orbit around it?

Humans will never know what the universe looks like, not in our life time!
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 10, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
Howdy,

You can view the universe if you use your MIND.  You don't need to use your eyes.  Of course, Utilitarian will disagree with me on this also.  You can also use your mind to view the macrocosmic and microcosmic universes also.  Your mind can go anywhere in spacetime, anywhere in the multiverse.  Having vision limits your perception to the things that you cannot see with you physical eyes.  Like, Angels and Archangels exist on a higher plane of existence and can normally not see them with your physical eyes.  But when you develop your mental powers and learn how to be clairvoyant you can see them easily.  Those who refuse to make the effort to see with their mind will never know this.  I could make an analogy here and say that it would be like trying to describe a rainbow to a blind man.

Haliburton is right the structure of the atom is exactly the same as a star system.  A galaxy would be a complex molecule.  A single universe would be an object composed of complex molecules.  A single universe is not infinite.  But if you consider in infinite number of universes in both the X, Y, and Z dimensions, and in the microcosmic, macrocosmic, and time dimensions then existence is truly infinite in at least six dimensions.

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Bubba1 on June 10, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Yeah, I remember reading a science fiction novel when I was a kid (back in the 50's) with the same theme.  These guys did something to make themselves start shrinking and they were trying to get someplace specific before they got too small.  There was also another group of people that were doing the same thing that started before the first people had, so these people were being careful to not step on where they thought the people ahead of them might be.  Eventually they got so small they could see the atoms.  They kept getting smaller and finally the atoms became planets.  I think time must have slowed down for them, too.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: utilitarian on June 10, 2008, 06:28:48 PM
The similarity between a planetary system and an atom is only passing.  They are much more different than they are alike.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 10, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
can u say duu
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 10, 2008, 06:34:28 PM
I guess this is when the found the earth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdYNznBX3CI&feature=related
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 10, 2008, 07:27:16 PM
Howdy,

Good clip.  Right before Captain Archer saves the earth once again.  The real Reptilians are not as hideous as the Star Trek Reptilians.  They have smooth skin, and don't look like Horned Toads, more like a Green Lizard.  They do have the slotted pupils.  Reptilians are indigenous to Earth.  They were here long before the monkey people were.  Legend has it that advanced aliens came here and accelerated the evolution of the indigenous monkeys to become humans.  Our evolution is not natural and the other species that had to suffer the regular, long evolution don't like us very much because of that.  Well, and also the fact that we are a greedy, viscous, war like species.

Another thing about our self-centric view of the universe is that we are superior because, to us, we look better that other species.  That is a matter of perspective.  To a Reptilian WE are funny looking.  To an Insectoid WE are grotesque.

Gene Roddenberry was a man that knew how to use his MIND.  He looked out into the multiverse and saw awesome, wonderful things.  He wrote them down and turned them into Star Trek.  Of course what we see on TV has been through the Hollywood filter, but the concepts are fairly untouched.  The Star Trek novels written by Gene Roddenberry are much more true to what is actually out there.

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: vzon17 on June 25, 2008, 07:44:57 AM
Has anybody ever seen the structure of a atom.  It look like a small universe.  What if our universe is simply a form of a atom that makes up another planet structure or universe.  If that where true that means we could have trillions and trillions of universes sitting on out coffee table or that make up our PC pants water food trees grass dirt ETC.  They are just so small we cant even comprehend it.  That is a something i have thought of for quite some time.  what is your guys input? ???


Well I think that is the way it actually is. the thing that saves us is that that time factor is different by magnitudes. the little galaxies in your coffe table experience a million lifetimes in one of our seconds so its hard to snuff anything out there. Same goes for us if we are part of somebody elses. we live a million lifetimes by the time they can affect us with one of their actions. Who knows maybe we are part of one molecule in the explosion of a sun in the next universe up.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 25, 2008, 08:24:56 AM
Wow i never thought of it like that!

So in other words, the more you shrink the more time will shrink with you!

Just like how many insects live for only a few days!

The problem is, we base our time off of seasons and rotations around the sun when in fact time is just a illusion and is just a way for us humans to document our past. 

I still don't understand why nasa spends all that money leaving earth to explore when everything we need to know about our universe is right here on earth!

And even if they found life on mars do you think they would even tell? probably not.....

Same goes for micro universes.  if one day they found a civilization on a pin head that floated down from space why would they tell us?

For us humans to believe we are the standard size for living civilizations in the larger and micro universe is just plain ignorant!
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 25, 2008, 03:33:31 PM
Howdy,

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience,
we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

Taoweb.com

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Bobbotov on June 25, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
>And even if they found life on mars do you think they would even tell? probably not.....

Of course they would. It would be the ultimate form of getting money to advance their research. Why do you think there is so much interest in finding life on the planets of the solar system and deep space? Money! finding life elsewhere would be the biggest boon to space exploration imaginable.

What is it that makes you think they would keep it a secret? And how long do you thing a secret like that would remain so?
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Bobbotov on June 25, 2008, 04:55:56 PM
>Gene Roddenberry was a man that knew how to use his MIND.  He looked out into the multiverse and saw awesome, wonderful things.  He wrote them down and turned them into Star Trek.  Of course what we see on TV has been through the Hollywood filter, but the concepts are fairly untouched.  The Star Trek novels written by Gene Roddenberry are much more true to what is actually out there.

 Gene Roddenberry didn't write any Star Trek novels and if you think he did please show me one on Amazon. He was a hack Hollywood writer that actually stole a lot of his ideas from other writers. He was eventually confronted by some of them and had to apologize but he kept right on doing it. He was also addicted to cocaine. Star Trek was okay but let's not elevate the creator to something he wasn't.
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Onevoice on June 25, 2008, 06:59:02 PM
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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience,
we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

We are human beings who wish we had a spiritual experience. We seek that which we cannot have. We search for that which is not inside of us. This is why we go for things like religion, meditation, etc. If we were spiritual beings - or even humans that are really having spiritual experiences - we'd be a much different kind of species.


edit: P.S. Star Trek Rocks ;D
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: z.monkey on June 25, 2008, 07:08:54 PM
Howdy,

The grass is greener on the other side of the galaxy...

I want to go find out, anyone up for building a warp 5 starship today?

Blessed Be Brothers,  even you Bobbotov...
Title: Re: the no longer useful thread got me thinking
Post by: Haliburton on June 25, 2008, 08:02:07 PM
The most amazing thing of it all is our brain is set to have a limit to what we think about our universe.

Every year, humans get smarter and evolve very slow but its like we don't get smarter really fast because it will hurt us.  I think thats why we cant imagine what really is out there in space because we are not ready to know yet.

Until are brains are capable of understanding what we see on the other side of the universe then we will probably have the technology to go along with it. 

our eyes can only see and understand what our own brain lets
us see and understand...
 

If our mind had endless thoughts then we probably would be in deep coma. like a CPU overload

Us humans are dumb on purpose and have limits to our knowledge.

Check this clip out of a savant on my website http://infospill.com/?q=node/62 Kim Peek is so smart his brain gets overloaded and he cant even do simple motor skills.