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Alex's MT Combination
broli:
Don't be afraid to share, we are here all looking for the same thing so it's best to keep eachother updated on any kind of related stuff we achieve(d).
rlortie:
Alex,
Edited for Brevity;
When the axle is in my wheel, the axle is just off center so when I lift the wheel over the axle its falls back around and the heavy part of the wheel rests at the bottom..
To the layman, you are admitting that your CoG or COM is located at the bottom of your wheel. To the gravity wheel researcher being educated in basics 101 this is a sure sign it will not work! I have graduated from that semester and do not always see it as a bad thing. A balanced wheel must be out of balance if it is to turn! You are changing the angular momentum, a force that we are told can neither be created or destroyed. Depending on application your wheel must either speed up or slow down.
Ralph
rlortie:
Stefan,
It is past 8:00 PM for me and my day is finally slowing down, I have taken the liberty to go back and attempt to learn what I can regarding your WM2D screen shot at; http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.msg97622.html#msg97622
I reiterate that I do not claim any knowledge of WM2D or its cymbal usage, example; your pulleys look like motors?
Here I have come up with a 2 weight and pulley system and a ramp.
Very simple indeed !
Possibly a little to simple, with just one active mechanism I see no way to apply or maintain 360 degrees of revolution.
The green weight has 40 Kgs.
The blue weight has 20 Kgs.
As the green weight is on the ramp,
it is getting much lighter and climbs the ramp
Please explain how the green gets lighter, it is twice the weight of its counter part hanging from what I assume are single shieve pulleys. No matter where it is placed on the ramp (up or down) 20 K gs will still be resting on the ramp. If the ramp is at 45 degrees then the blue must fall one unit to the green rising 1/2 unit. The blue will not fall as no matter where the green ball rests on the incline plane it is in balance with the blue. In reality if it were not for the simulated rope retaining it the green will roll down the ramp picking up the blue. The green weighing twice as much and having to travel twice the distance (but same elevation to raise the blue is like dropping the counter weight on a trebruchet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
to the top and leaves it and falls down, as he green weight is double the weight of the blue weight.
Stefan, I am sorry but this reminds me of the infamous magnetic ball and ramp scenario. A magnet pulls a ball up a ramp where it drops through a hole in said ramp and repeats the cycle. What's wrong with this picture? If the magnet is strong enough to lift the ball up the ramp, Then how can it be weak enough to release the ball and let it fall? Here we have lifted a light ball with a heavy and now you must reverse this action.
If you make both weights the same weight and let the blue weight also rise on a ramp
The blue or green riding on the ramp will not change their gravitational mass, The ramp is and acts as a lever better known as an "Inclined plane" and can be compared to your teeter-totter or see-saw. At a 45 degree plane you can lift two weight units half the elevation one unit is dropping.
If this does not make sense blame it on me and or my illiteracy for WM2D
So Bessler probably used pendulum weights and did put them on tilted ramps to move them up
and then let them fall again propelling the wheel.
I believe you will find that debatable, pendulum weights very possible, but ramps I find improbable. I will admit however there is mention of an eyewitness saying he saw "Warped Boards" through a slit in the canvas covering.
Ralph
EDIT: I just read: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4683.msg97640.html#msg97640 A somewhat different explanation but the end results look similar!
Alexioco:
--- Quote from: rlortie on May 19, 2008, 05:09:34 AM ---Alex,
Edited for Brevity;
When the axle is in my wheel, the axle is just off center so when I lift the wheel over the axle its falls back around and the heavy part of the wheel rests at the bottom..
To the layman, you are admitting that your CoG or COM is located at the bottom of your wheel. To the gravity wheel researcher being educated in basics 101 this is a sure sign it will not work! I have graduated from that semester and do not always see it as a bad thing. A balanced wheel must be out of balance if it is to turn! You are changing the angular momentum, a force that we are told can neither be created or destroyed. Depending on application your wheel must either speed up or slow down.
Ralph
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This this wheel doesnt work, wait till you see this next one, which instn to different, but by making this certain change, as you will see that the wheel can revolve with the same amount of weights on each side but one side is overbalanced and there is something eles this wheel can do, but before w ego any further, ill explain it to you on email as this is only for your ears at the moment...
hartiberlin:
Hi Ralph,
yes,the green and blue ball ramp experiment is just the same as a lever
construction or a pulley construction.
You pull a heavier weight up by pulling double the length,so the energy
stays the same.
Did not work.
Now I see it too.
But look at my new centrifugal force helped wheel in the other first thread
on this board.
It seems to run pretty nice and also shifts the CoG over the axis all the time.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Alex, did you already try a few household weights on your wheel ?
So how is it doing ?
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