It is EXTREAMLY difficult to say hoax or not hoax when you consider what chaos theory has shown us. In case it has been forgotten, changes so small that they are not measurable can make significant differences to the resulting patterns generated. The good old butterfly making hurricanes idea. We have no idea what tolerance magnetic positioning/ magnetic strengths/ friction / weight / temperature / humidity / location the device does or does not work too.

In other words chaos theory basically says all this bickering is pointless as without knowledge of the precision needed and what the key elements are for it to work nothing in this can be proved.

In the original vid the demonstrator picks the running device up and then puts it back, there is no change in the speed in that period. The OCMPPM would be acting like a gyroscope and resist movement when being handled in the manor shown in the video.

I don't deny that there may be a remote possibility that there may be an effect and that's not because of chaos theory. That made me reverse my initial rejection of that presentation. That said, the way the constructor is playing with people is disgusting and only shows that he is a despicable human being. It's one thing to be a private company like Steorn and place known limits to the information you divulge and quite another to appear you're willing to discuss it freely and then play with people's interest and devotion. Quite disgusting, isn't it?

Studying of the details applying a proper methodology was discussed before and you're quite right about that. That may still happen but that's different from the problem with the behavior of a scam artist we're dealing with.

Now, suppose everything is OK and someone has indeed observed an effect, will it be justified for him to start cat and mouse games with people interested in reproducing it? Would it be decent for him to show a video of the effect while at the same time claiming that all he has done is to show that something false is false?

There is no way to account for the actions or behaviour of a paranoid mind.

Quote from: PolyMatrix on March 06, 2008, 07:48:11 AM

There is no way to account for the actions or behaviour of a paranoid mind.

Now thats funny, I don't care who you are.

Yep - most humour is fundamentally based on the concept of humiliation, so you think its funny as it seems to humiliate.

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 07:16:41 AM

Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 06, 2008, 06:45:22 AM

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 06:32:57 AM

Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 06, 2008, 06:24:04 AM

insubstantial, stupid, silly, incoherent, arrogant, self-important?

Anybody else make a connection?

Omnibus,

Please stop... No one at this point cares about your smot... If you babble on endlessly about how other individuals clutter threads, look at what your doing... YOU dig your self into this. You want intellectual stimulation through the wrong manner. I'm getting sick of the clutter you build up and lead through the threads. I'm an info hunter, and it sucks when people like you stick your trolls hands into threads I want to read and absorb to learn. I question how the admin can ignore your spiteful behaviour.

Here's another one ...

I must be perfectly clear with you, only uneducated minds will not care about "my smot". What I've done is the only scientifically sound analysis as to why anybody should ever be interested in the matters concerning violation of CoE and overunity. So far there has been absolutely no progress whatsoever in this matter other than the analysis of Taisnierius' device conclusively proving violation of CoE. Thus, if you want to learn something, I've provided it. There is absolutely nothing else to be learned. Everything else is a repetition in different variants of well known mistakes and dead ends. Besides, there is hardly anyone interested in whether or not you want to learn. Keep it to yourself, don't clutter the thread with your personal stuff

How about get the hell out of the thread. Does that reach your limited brain? Can you comprehend yourself? We as humans are slow to understand. This includes you. Stop cluttering this thread. I've already understood CoE being violated. Virtual particles do it all the time. However scientists make an exception as they claim there existence is as short as possible, thus unable to be used. But that doesn't change, because time is just a unit of measurement. It's how you look at the picture omnibus. I say you should end the argument, or you could continue and make your self look like a hypocrite. Again stop cluttering the thread, hypocrite.

With the above you demonstrate that you haven't understood anything related to violation of CoE and therefore should be the last person to drive people out of the thread discussing exactly this. Don't clutter the thread with your incompetence.

Fool! You have just proven your LARGEST mistake. This thread has nothing to do with discussing CoE. This thread is about the magnetic motor on youtube. Replicate it or not. Admin, if you are reading this post, he has clearly admited his intentions are not to discuss the correct topic. I ask you to warn him of his attempt to derail this thread. Omnibus, i'm not discussing CoE with you. If you want to do that, create your own thread. This threads intentions have been clearly printed. Unless you fully replicate his device to every measurement, you are creating assumptions of the motors energy status.

I don't care about your personal opinions and what you want to discuss. The essence of any discussion involving magnetic motors such as this one is fundamentally tied with discussing violation of CoE. You're incompetent if don't know this.

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 08:29:50 AM

Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 06, 2008, 07:46:34 AM

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 07:16:41 AM

Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 06, 2008, 06:45:22 AM

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 06:32:57 AM

Quote from: HopeForHumanity on March 06, 2008, 06:24:04 AM

insubstantial, stupid, silly, incoherent, arrogant, self-important?

Anybody else make a connection?

Omnibus,

Please stop... No one at this point cares about your smot... If you babble on endlessly about how other individuals clutter threads, look at what your doing... YOU dig your self into this. You want intellectual stimulation through the wrong manner. I'm getting sick of the clutter you build up and lead through the threads. I'm an info hunter, and it sucks when people like you stick your trolls hands into threads I want to read and absorb to learn. I question how the admin can ignore your spiteful behaviour.

Here's another one ...

I must be perfectly clear with you, only uneducated minds will not care about "my smot". What I've done is the only scientifically sound analysis as to why anybody should ever be interested in the matters concerning violation of CoE and overunity. So far there has been absolutely no progress whatsoever in this matter other than the analysis of Taisnierius' device conclusively proving violation of CoE. Thus, if you want to learn something, I've provided it. There is absolutely nothing else to be learned. Everything else is a repetition in different variants of well known mistakes and dead ends. Besides, there is hardly anyone interested in whether or not you want to learn. Keep it to yourself, don't clutter the thread with your personal stuff

How about get the hell out of the thread. Does that reach your limited brain? Can you comprehend yourself? We as humans are slow to understand. This includes you. Stop cluttering this thread. I've already understood CoE being violated. Virtual particles do it all the time. However scientists make an exception as they claim there existence is as short as possible, thus unable to be used. But that doesn't change, because time is just a unit of measurement. It's how you look at the picture omnibus. I say you should end the argument, or you could continue and make your self look like a hypocrite. Again stop cluttering the thread, hypocrite.

With the above you demonstrate that you haven't understood anything related to violation of CoE and therefore should be the last person to drive people out of the thread discussing exactly this. Don't clutter the thread with your incompetence.

Fool! You have just proven your LARGEST mistake. This thread has nothing to do with discussing CoE. This thread is about the magnetic motor on youtube. Replicate it or not. Admin, if you are reading this post, he has clearly admited his intentions are not to discuss the correct topic. I ask you to warn him of his attempt to derail this thread. Omnibus, i'm not discussing CoE with you. If you want to do that, create your own thread. This threads intentions have been clearly printed. Unless you fully replicate his device to every measurement, you are creating assumptions of the motors energy status.

I don't care about your personal opinions and what you want to discuss. The essence of any discussion involving magnetic motors such as this one is fundamentally tied with discussing violation of CoE. You're incompetent if don't know this.

Omnibus, I am not trying to be sarcastic, but no one appointed you the sheriff of " Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??" county. Just simply stop replying to all of us. This thread is dead in regards to Als motor. Your expertise should be utilized in a more appropriate forum. Surely this is not the only thread you are on. My god, spend time with your wife. I thought PolyMatrix post was dead on accurate and that was the last good post.

No, you and the like stop posting texts unrelated to the topic at hand. If you can't control yourself and have the urge to continuously blabber someone has to stop you, appointed or not. Thus, again, stop the blabber. This thread may or may not be dead but that's not for blabbering idiots to decide.

This thread may or may not be dead but that's not for blabbering idiots to decide.

Yes, you are correct Omnibus... It is not for YOU to decide.

Quote from: Omnibus on March 06, 2008, 09:10:37 AM

This thread may or may not be dead but that's not for blabbering idiots to decide.

Yes, you are correct Omnibus... It is not for YOU to decide.

No, I said that it's not for blabbering idiots such as you, who haven't contributed anything to the field, to decide whether the thread is or isn't dead. Read it again and you may get it.