Hello guys this is my first post and would like to know about David Hudson, what happened to him?  The last I heard he had heart problems and stopped research if I am not mistaken, one makes the assumption that he was taking the WPG, but in that case why did he end up having a disease that many mere mortals have to contend with? If he didn't take the WPG then it also doesn't look good for him as he's experimented and researched so much on this WPG and yet doesn't take it himself? Or these are lies that are drifting around about him, who knows!  Who Knows?

Does Sir Gardner take the WPG, if so which one?

Have any of you guys had experience with WPG, m-state material, monatomic etc, I am very interested to know, I am not here to be negative or talk people down or have arguements I genuinely am interested but like many I am not sure which is the real stuff, thanks in advance for any advice.

You can also PM if you like.

Read everything on the website I listed one post (post of mine) back. Then you will know some of what it is that you actually seek.

Immortality is not really a workable enterprise from this mortal coil. The point is to be mortal and to repeat your lessons until done.

Immortality breaks that chain. It is for those who have ascended and no longer need it. Such is life!   

If one has achieved immortality in this plane, then they are likely committed to an assignment rather than a life.

Is it the philosophicalmercury site? I tried many times to acees it but no luck ... The page cannot be displayed, does it work on your end? I am in Beijing, China maybe just a problem from my end.  Is this what you meant though? http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/mht/mht16.htm

Metal Calxes

The old alchemical maxim of "Dissolve et Coagula" which means dissolve and coagulate, is what this pH Swing Process does.

Most commonly, calxes were made by amalgamating mercury metal with the metal to be calcined, and it the mercury was this distilled out. The mercury dissolves the metal each time, and the amalgamations are repeated until a fine calx is formed. Typically with gold this would produce a red calx which is nothing more than finely divided gold.

And even though this method of using acids and bases to dissolve and precipitate the gold may seem modern, it was actually used in old alchemy also. After the gold was dissolved in Aqua Regia, they would precipitate it using "oil of calcined tartar" which is potassium carbonate that has been exposed to humid air and allowed to absorb water, and they did indeed refer to this precipitant as the calx of gold.
Q: What is the "pH Swing" process?
A: When the pH of the gold solution is adjusted from 1 to 14, and then back down to 1, this is one single "pH Swing". It breaks down the size of gold clusters so each one contains less atoms bound together. As this happens, the color will change. The gold is in the chloride form when the water is acidic and chlorine is present (hydrochloric acid) and it's a hydroxide when the water is alkaline. The goal of making monatomic gold is to break the gold all the way down to just 1 atom, at which point it will no longer exhibit metallic porperties. The bond holding the last 2 atoms together has an energy of -2.5 eV (electron volts). This can be broken appart using sodium metal that is allowed to ignite and gernerates the intense energy required to break the bond. It's reffered to as the "Sodium Burn Process". But water molecules also chain together to generate the required energy level in this wet chemistry technique.

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Gold is dissolved in Aqua Regia, and the acid is evaporated to form crystals.

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Pic. 2

Water was added to dissolve the crystals and the pH adjusted to alkaline while stirring. This removes the nitrates and gets the gold ready for dissolving in pure HCl acid so you know there is only gold chloride in solution. Here you can see the dark purple gold hydroxide precipitant swirling around.
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The precipitant was washed to remove salt and lye. The gold is allowed to settle on the bottom each time.
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And here you can see how the gold preciptant looks almost black. With more pH swings it precipitates as a fluffy powder, but in these begining stages, it is clumped together and very heavy. This is because the gold clusters are still made up of thousands of atoms bound together.

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After 50 pH swings the gold has become a white powder.

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After 100 swings the gold was allowed to dry in a wide crystallization dish, and it formed these little crosses. The same peculiar crosses form when the process is done on copper.

Q: How is the pH Swing done?
A: It is strongly recommended that the pH Swing process be performed on your gold before it's used in the Red Tincture process because this will enable far more gold to convert to the red form. Using the process I describe here, you will quickly and easily be able to obtain a white precipitant after only 10 pH swings. The ratios of water to gold and the use of lye solution instead of pure sodium hydroxide crystals is what make this process work better. Follow the instructions exactly. If you don't use the suggested quanities of water you will obtain many different colors instead of a white powder.

After the gold metal has been dissolved into a chloride form, the acid is evaporated using low heat (150F). The crystals are not allowed to dry completely because they will most likely become scorched from the heat source, and won't dissolve in water (and then you will need to redissolve the gold in Aqua Regia). Because there will be some acid left in the beaker, quite a large volume of water needs to be added for dilution. Using 1/20th to 1/10th an ouce of gold, the crystals/acid should be dissolved in at least 700ml of water.

100 grams of sodium hydroxide is dissolved in 1 liter of water to make a lye solution. Water weighs 1 gram for every milliliter (labeled as "cc" when reffering to drug dosage. cc = cubic centimeter). This first pH swing will require a lot of lye solution to bring the pH up to alkaline. It should only be brought up to 8.5 since gold hydroxide will redissolve in strongly alkaline water and you will be washing the precipitant. Purple gold hydroxide will precipitate to the bottom. When this precipitant is settled, the top water is poured off and saved in your "wash water" beaker. Add new water to the precipitant beaker, and once the precipitant is settled pour off the water again (saving it in the wash water beaker). This cleaning process removes the sodium hydroxide and the salt which formed from the reaction of hydrochloric acid and NaOH. Once the pH is neutral, pour most off the water, being careful not to loose your precipitant. There will be around 200ml of water remaining if you are using a 1 liter beaker. This can be transferred to a smaller beaker, then when the precipitant settles again, the excess water is easier to pour off (decant).

Now a few milliliters of hydrochloric acid is stirred into the precipitant. After swirling the solution around (erlenmeyer flask is good for this), the gold hydroxide dissolves to become gold chloride again. The pH is raised up to 14 now because you won't be washing the precipitant yet. After the pH is adjusted from 1 to 14 and back to 1, this is a single pH swing. During the first few swings, it will be very easy to see when the solution is alkaline because it will turn purple and you can easily see the fluffy gold hydroxide. As you continue it will become increasingly difficult to tell what the pH is by eyesight and pH paper should be used (Don't dip it dirrectly into the solution; use a dropper to drip a sample onto the pH paper).

After 10 swings, there will be a substantial amount of salt that has been created by the reaction of sodium hydroxide and acid. It's essential to remove this salt with washes just like you did after the first pH swing. The gold clusters are now so small they will be white, and will attached themselves to bubbles, which makes them float to the surface. The water will look clear and it will seem as though your gold has dissapeared. Fear not. Dilute the solution back up to 1 liter. Then just place the solution on gentle heat and let about 100ml of water evaporate, then let it cool back to room temperature. Now you will be able to see white gold hydroxide precipitant falling to the bottom. Tap the beaker to shake any precipitant floating on the surface so it will decend to the bottom. Don't bother trying to get creative using a centrefuge because that would also force the salt to the bottom of the tube and defeat the purpose of the washings.

At least 100 pH swings should be performed on the gold. This may sound like a lot of work, but once you get the hang of it, you will be able to do 10 pH swings in 30 minutes. When you have your white precipitant, it will be gold hydroxide broken down so small it appears white because it's actually not reflecting any color and is clear. This is what is sold on the internet as "White Powder Gold" but it is not yet monatomic gold; it's still mostly just gold hydroxide. There is a small amount of monatomic gold present, but since so much gold hydroxide is also still present, ingesting this material is foolish. Not only does it waste gold, but the gold hydroxide gets converted into gold chloride in the stomach which has recently been found to be a potent neurotoxin.

Pour off as much water as possible from your white precipitant, and evaporate most of the remaining water. When you want to dry the precipitant, don't use heat. Just let the remaining water evaporate at room temperature by covering the beaker with a coffee filter.

You can now dissolve this white calx of gold with the Philosophical Mercury solvent as per the instructions on the Red Tincture page and perform the process to convert it to the red isotope of monatomic gold. Though it may seem like a lot of work, this method will save you from having to repeat the Red Tincture process a dozen times to convert all the gold into the red form which distills with the Philosophical Mercury.

Q: What is done with the left over wash water?
A: All the water you used to wash your gold precipitant will contain some gold hydroxide you can't see. So evaporate your wash water and you will begin to see it turn pink. The water contains a great deal of salt, and this traps the gold hydroxide and causes it to fall to the bottom. The reason you couldn't see it before was because it was floating on the surface of the water in tiny clusters.

Once the solution is evaporated down to 200ml, let it cool off. Salt crystals are forming which contain the gold hydroxide powder trapped inside. Add enough water to refill the beaker back up to 1 liter, and this will dissolve the salt. Now do the washes on the pink precipitant until there is no longer a salty taste in the water. Then you will know the salt has been removed and you can now perform the pH Swing process on this pink gold until it's white, just like you did the first time. Save the wash water again, but now since it's mostly just salt, pour it on your garden outside. Helps plants grow for some reason; the salt has nothing to do with it.
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In this photo can be seen the pink gold hydroxide which appeared when the water was heated. This wash water which was clear and would have been tossed down the drain actually contains this hidden gold.
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Here is the precipitant washed and dried. Contains a lot of sodium which doesn't wash out. It's a very soft powder with irridecent clear flakes also. On the side of the beaker which the water was evaporated in, a rainbow effect can be seen in the right lighting. This seems to be the Oil of Gold which was in the wash water. It has long been rumored that the wash water should be saved for this very reason, then reunited with the original precipitant once's it's made into moatomic gold. So in this pink powder, there is apparently the "Oil of Gold" along with some normal gold hydroxide which gives the powder it's  pink tint.
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The precipitant was dissolved in a few milliters of hydrochloric acid, but some remind undissolved as can be seen in this photo. A little peroxide was added (3% solution) and the red precipitant became white but refused to fully dissolve.
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These two photos show the precipitant when dried.
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Every color of the rainbow can be created with gold depending on how it's precipitated. If pure sodium hydroxide powder is added straight to the acid solution, then the clusters will remain large and the precipitant will slowly change through the colors after each subsequent dissolution and precipitation. While this makes beautiful colors, it's not the goal and there is no benifit to having a colored gold solution instead of a crystal clear white calx. The water clear solution is what is the best because the gold clusters are smaller.

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What I mean, is it contains explicit detailed exact information.

The information on the red tincture (the red dragon, or the rosy cross on the white tunics of the Templars) is not published, and will have to be pursued on it's own.

There are other methods, as far as I know. However, posting them here in their entirety without working them out myself, is foolishness, and besides..the whole process is for those who can think, as opposed to those who cannot.

The point here, is no giant sticks of dynamite in the hands of those who are not 'clear of head'. Don't give dangerous and powerful information to those who are not 'clear' of their internal issues, is the main point here. Therefore, the way is always difficult. The clarity of thought that comes from the whole endeavor, in the 'hermit-shaman-scientist-alchemist-thinker' way of thinking is..that.. once these things are found and understood by the determined individual, they will not simply hand the information over to just any person. This work MUST be done by the individual. It's like asking for enlightenment without doing the work..it would be valueless. One must earn their way there.

There is no dream here, only hard work, with results that  lead.....somewhere.

In essence, I have done what I reasonably can do. The way to the door has been pointed out. The basics point of conversion, that is not understood or recognized by science has been published, in the few posts above. The rest is yours to discover.

I apologize for the lack of a direct answer, but you can see that no such answer would be forthcoming, even if I knew it. Especially if I knew it.

**** Could it be so simple, just add ORMES to the water? ****



ORMES the Secret WATER FUEL CELL ingredient:
By: Jeremy William VanHaitsma


Dear Researchers,



I believe that I could have some valuable information related to your
current research into successfully replicating the late Stanley
Meyer's Water Fuel Cell technology. I have been researching many over
unity systems and devices over the past several years and have taken
particular interest in the Water Fuel Cell technology... I have
researched into the replications of the WFC as done by Dave Lawton in
D14.PDF and the work of Ravi Raju. Also, I have been following the
work of various organizations devoted to the freeing/dissemination of
these types of technologies such as PANACEA-BOCAF and the ORION
PROJECT. I feel that Dave Lawton was able to get alot of valuable
ground work done for the WFC replication process and that Ravi Raju
was able to make some major contributions to the work of Mr. Lawton
with his modified voltage intensifier circuitry, longer and more
numerous tubes, and his signature 'conditioning' process for the tubes
which has shown to be invaluable in increasing the efficiency of the
WFC in both lowering current draw and increasing it's hydroxy gas
output. I recently read some documents that stated that during the
80's of Stan Meyer's heyday that he had met with a couple of other
inventors that were also researching into technologies related to free
energy whom may have offered some ideas and inspiration to Mr. Meyers
which may have had some influence upon his devices and processes. One
being John Bedini who as you may be familiar with had developed
motors/generators capable of tapping into and harnessing so called
radiant energy. The other inventor being David Hudson. David Hudson
is an Arizona farmer who discovered a new form of matter that he named
ORMES (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) namely from the
platinum group metals that occur in nature in monatomic and diatomic
micro clusters. The ORMES material has been found through the
research of him and others to be present in certain soils, sea salt,
water and other sources in nature. I don't want to go into the whole
story about how he discovered it but if you Google ORMES, ORMUS,
MONATOMIC GOLD, DAVID HUDSON, or visit www.subtlenergies.com you will
get the basic jest of it. Anyway, this ORMES material appears as a
white powder in a dry purified state and it's superconductive. It's
surrounded by a meisner field like other superconductors; it has
anti-gravity properties to it. It can be turned into a glass if it's
heated to a rather his temperature. It has the tendency to phase in
and out of our dimension, now please bear with me here. It has been
called strange matter, white powder gold, the Philosopher's Stone,
MFKZT by the Egyptians, manna in the bible, etc.... Glacial water
deposits tend to have rather high concentrations of it although it can
also be found in ordinary tap water. Which brings me to this material
David Hudson discovered and it's implications with the Water Fuel
Cell... This material has been shown to have other strange properties
as observed by David Hudson such as when he left a wet sample of the
material out in the sun to dry it disappeared in a brilliant flash of
white light scorching the material it was on, but with no explosion...
It simply turned into pure energy which released as bright light and
gamma rays. The meissner field that constantly surrounds the
monatomic atoms of gold, iridium, rhodium, etc. that make up the ORMES
is said to emanate from the zero point energy field coming out from
within the atoms and that the material is superconductive, but only if
you resonate with it with the correct input signal. In fact, if you
put a volt meter up to a sample of ORMES it will measure zero
conductivity. So what I'm thinking is that if this material just so
happens to be in tuned with the zero point energy field, and some of
the various devices that produce energy like the Bedini motors and the
Meyer's WFC are said to derive their function from the zero point
energy field that that is an inherent commonality that links these
three things together. They all have the zero point energy fields in
common that is. Now, remember I stated that in my research I read of
one of the other researchers stating that the ORMES material was a
superconductor but only if you 'resonate' with it? What do the Bedini
motor and the WFC have in common? If you look at the signals of each
device on side by side oscilloscopes you will notice that the stepped
pulse train waveforms are very similar in nature, and this stepped
pulse train is a unique type of signal that has the ability to coax
the energy to bubble up and out of the zero point energy field and
into the device to be received as output, whether that be strait
electricity as in the Bedini motor or through the production of
Brown's gas as with the Meyer's cell, and it's replications. Now,
after doing some more intense research regarding all the strange
properties of this ORMES/White powder gold material, and all the weird
stuff it does. Like phasing in and out of this plane of existence,
floating, displaying anti-gravity properties, disappearing into a
bright flash of light after being left in the sun, making plants grow
super fast, taller, with higher nutritional yields, curing cancer,
LOL, etc. etc. etc. it's almost like this ORMES material was the zero
point energy in the flesh so to speak... A small subculture of open
source researchers has sprung up around the ORMES technology on the
internet and people have discovered some pretty ingenuitive ways of
getting this material... Some companies synthesize it directly from
the metals themselves like ZPtech.net for instance, whom you can
purchase vials of the material, others have figured out ways to
extract it from salts from the Dead Sea, Great Salt Lake, and Celtic
sea salt. And others have also figured out how to extract it from
water using a contraption known in that community as a magnetic vortex
water trap. This device hooks up to your water source and spins the
water around in a vortex which is created in a container surrounded by
magnets, and since the ormes material is a superconductor and hence
paramagnetic it is pushed to the center of the vortex and the normal
water to the outside. Then this 'magnetic vortex trap water' is then
collected by a tube coming off the top center of the device and has
shown to have a concentration many 1000's the normal concentration of
ORMES as per the water sample. So what does ORMES have to do with the
WFC you may ask? The conditioning process developed by Ravi Raju that
takes so darn long to complete, constantly changing the water,
eventually resulting in the buildup of this white powdery coating onto
the outside of the tubes, which done improperly can flake off, etc.
...Wow, white powdery coating, ormes is a white powdery substance that
can form a coating. Ormes is present in water, but does not show up
on any normal types of chemical analysis. In fact it took David
Hudson years to finally try out this Russian method of chemical
analysis of burning the material in an electric arc inside of an argon
gas atmosphere for an extended time before he was able to discover the
presence of these platinum group metals. So, despite the fact that
other types of materials might have shown up and been thought
responsible in the white coating that forms while conditioning the
cells, such as calcium oxide, etc, unless the WFC researcher were to
use the very unique analysis techniques used by David Hudson than they
wouldn't even be aware of the presence of this ORMES material in the
sample. But let's just say that ORMES was in this white powdery
coating on the surface of the tubes, and that this played a part in
the water fracturing process. Lets assume that perhaps the more
refined stepped pulse train signals that oh so resonate with the zero
point energy field as made possible through the more refined voltage
intensifier circuitry like that done by Ravi Raju and his use of
inductor coils was working hand in hand with the ormes concentrated
material collected on the tubes from the water as per the conditioning
process, and that the signal was making the little itty bitty ORMES
micro cluster do a mad dance and strike into the black gold of zero
point energy!!! ORMES could be what's rolling out the red carpet for
zero point energy to join the party and the stepped pulse train is the
music that it's dancing to. But unfortunately I'm just a modest guy
currently working for a low wage that cannot afford to purchase a
pre-built WFC from the sources mentioned on the Panacea-Bocaf website
or even build a Dave Lawton or Ravi Raju WFC replication to test this
theory, which I strongly believe should be tested because it very well
could be the secret ingredient. But what I would do if I had a WFC
laying around like Mr. Lawton or Mr. Raju is I would test the
efficiency and outputs of the system before conditioning by adding
ORMES to the water. In magnetic vortex trap water form, in the sea
salt extraction form, and also in the synthetic form compliments of
http://www.ZPtech.net . Maybe if you put a spoonful of ormes into the water you
won't even need to condition the darn thing and you'll get Over unity
right off the bat!!! Just maybe anyway, and with its potential
implications I think it's worth a shot... Here is a link for a
YouTube video that shows you how to make ORMES from sea salt in case
you're as broke as I am, no pun intended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jtnuMAa00 Have fun and happy research




Sincerely,
Jeremy William VanHaitsma

Hi,
This is old story.
Many years ago I was quite active on the White Gold Web forum.I did put a lot of effort to prepare Sodium Burn method, I had make mu own white powder of gold.Description of this method I had put on th forum for everybody.The main reaction components are: 24 karat gold, Sodium metal,water,HCl-nothing else.The trick is to do reactions in a proper way,to stay away from impurities which could go into solution because Sodium metal is very reactive and could give unwanted reaction products when in contact with glass,metal or other process materials and vessels.Sodium must be fused  ONLY with gold metal without contacting anything else.
This is dangerous procedure.
Regards,
pix

Hi pix,
interesting post about fusing sodium and gold...
Since it is not entirely clear what exactly you were saying, I decided to look up your Sodium Burn method
on that White Gold Web forum, but I must say that is one of the least user friendly fora I've ever seen.
I can't seem to find any clear overview of the topics, I can't seem to find a seach engine into which
I can type "sodium burn"...
I would like to learn more about your sodium burn method. On the one hand because I have been interested
in the monoatomic gold concept for some time, and on the other hand because I've read something on
"himalayan salt" long ago which described the traditional production method as "burning" the salt in
a bamboo container something like 9 times successively, before the "specially energised" salt could
be extracted, and some of the properties claimed seem to be similar to those of manna.
Can you please give me more info on the sodium burn method, or direct me to the page on the
White Gold Web forum that describes this method?

Thanks!

Hey thanks a lot Pix!

Lol it is just about as I imagined, and the main problem I ran into
is exactly the problem you describe: the sodium is extremely
reactive and so it is terribly difficult to keep it from reacting with
the crucible/vessel walls and with any other impurities in the first place.
Then in the second place, when "washing" the Na-Au alloy,
indeed a lot of NaOH should be produced which can again react
with the crucible/vessel and impurities, and obviously this is
after we take precautions not to fry ourselves with any exothermic
reactions between the pure sodium and the water.

I find it interesting that the high temperature burning and the
washing both occur in the descriptions I found on how to make
"Himalayan salt".
Basically in that procedure rock salt mined from inside
and under the himalayan mountains is used, put in a bamboo
container and burnt in a very hot oven. Then it is washed,
dried, and the process is repeated another 8 times,
untill the final residue after washing is described as a white
powder of fine grain, some slight tablesalt-like reflective
properties but mostly more opaque than normal salt, and
with a different taste to it. Some claim this "salt" has a
"refreshing" taste. Some claim putting some of it on their
sore tooth cured the toothache. Some, mostly buddhist
and falun Gong types, claim spiritually beneficial effects
and more direct connection with and control over Qi.

Since this sounds a bit similar to the effects of Ormes as
claimed by new age types, and the "salt burning" sounds
somewhat similar too, I thought it might be interesting to
look into the similarities...

Do you suppose it is possible that the bamboo container,
which obviously burns during the procedure, might either
"capture" some of the sodium from the salt, or bond with
the sodium in the salt, so that the sodium content decreases
during burning already..? So that for example sodium cabonate
(or bicarbonate) is formed, and during the washing there'd be
less sodium hydroxide to react with the washing container...?
I imagine that repetitive burning and washing might yield a
residue of colloidal metals mixed with some sodium carbonate,
or even colloidal metals with other metal carbonate compounds
and all the sodium washed out...
This could explain the described taste and appearance of the
Himalayan "salt", as well as the toothache cure story (since
sodium bicarbonate is an old toothache remedy).
But I haven't really gone over the exact reactions etc involved yet,
so I might be off here. This is just a guesstimate.