Hydrogen energy > Electrolysis of H20 and Hydrogen on demand generation
Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas
Justalabrat:
--- Quote from: IM2L844 on September 16, 2009, 09:33:06 PM ---I've built an online efficiency calculator for HHO. It's available here:
http://nicksrealm.com/HHO/Calculator.html
If you have any problems, instructions are available in the drop down menu or if you have specific questions, I will be happy to try and answer them in the forums.
Nick
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Hey! Very handy Nick! ;D
Mk1:
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
d3adp00l:
One the gibbs energy comparison
Ok now take that info and set it asside, and use the energy content of H2 to find the mmw needed to make the hho. in other words, at 100% eff. the energy content should equal the energy input.
then cross refernece that answer.
when your done with that compare the actual energy output of a generator running on hho, vs the production cost, and the energy eff. of the engine, to see what mmw would be needed to self run.
calc it from many different angles and see if the numbers match.
Short answer, they don't
Cloxxki:
--- Quote from: IM2L844 on September 16, 2009, 09:33:06 PM ---I've built an online efficiency calculator for HHO. It's available here:
http://nicksrealm.com/HHO/Calculator.html
If you have any problems, instructions are available in the drop down menu or if you have specific questions, I will be happy to try and answer them in the forums.
Nick
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Excellent! This should be the ultimate reference for all HHO makers, presuming your master data is sound.
I would be extremely, EXTREMELY interested to know which technology is "beating" this calculator by the greatest factor. I have reason to believe, and this is not my idea originally, that with an efficient combustion engine, a bubbler doesn't need many magnitudes greater HHO production to be able to make the energy loop, and have a car running on water almost as if it were low-temperature combustible like petrol. Fill up with water, drive 1000 miles or so with your family car. Bring a jerrycan of more water, for practical purposes and when just missing a fill-up station.
Thanks!
[Off topic, but I just figured tat gas stations might make more profit selling tap water at 1/5th or 1/10th the price of current petrol, than petrol at current prices. There will be plenty of people selling you the convenience of water supply. Even if it's near free from the tap or river, convenience will always be worth it. I, too, would pay the neighbour's kid a couple of Euro's to go through the effort of filling up my car with my own tap water. A full tank of petrol costs almost 100 Euro's now.]
ydeardorff:
Has anyone, looked into the metal equation here?
electrochemical potential of metals?
half reactions?
Certain electrodes give off a higher quality of gas than others?
Wouldn't this throw off the calculations, and degrade or improve efficiency?
What is the hp to amp conversion for the alternator?
These formula's are of great interest to me. To get the proper answers/results.
Has anyone analyzed the gas produced from the cell with varying metals and configurations, voltages/amps etc to find the best "sweet spot"? I contacted a conventional producer of hydrogen gas a couple of years ago, and they stated they use iron nickel electrodes, and no more than 8 VDC / AMPs. After that the production quality suffers.
I would as well as many of us would I'm sure, like to get a set of irrefutable, factual calculations, that can describe in crayon to the naysayers what these units do, how, and why. Then be able to lay out a standard answer for the calculation.
Is there a (in a nut shell) formulaic version of what to do, how to do it, and why, to get X results that cant be argued to death?
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