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Formular to calculate energy per liter of HHO gas

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hartiberlin:
Hi All,

here is a formular to calculate the energy needed to break the overunity barrier
in HHO gas production.

As the Faraday law states, that 100 % efficient electrolysis required about 2.4 Watthours
of energy for 1 Liter of HHO gas production you can now yourself calculate, what you are using
for your energy input.

Energy input in Watthours= used (Volts x amps)  x used seconds / 3600 seconds= used Watts  x used seconds / 3600 seconds

So let your HHO gas generator produce 1 Liter of HHO gas and measure the time
it needs to produce this amount of gas.

Then note the Voltage and amps down and multiply it to get the Watts.
Then multiply with the seconds and divide by 3600.

Now if you get less than 2.4 Watthours you have overunity.
If you have more than 2.4 Watthours you have less than 100 % efficiency and are underunity.

Regards, Stefan.

Sanction:
Understanding and applying these calculations above to my Hy-Dro-Gen,  with my last video, I have not reached overunity. Sorry bout that guys...

But with my most resent experiments "Not yet video taped, or documented, I did reach overunity with the final calculation at 1.3333.... To my understanding this is something not done before? If this is the case, I'm flattered!

To achieve this I ran my Hy-Dro-Gen at a very low 2 volts.
I had to add a great deal of electrolyte to reach Times 20 Amps. = 40 watts
It took 120 seconds to make 1 liter of HHO gas times 120 seconds = 4800
Then dividing by 3600 = 1.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333 ;)

Is this overunity? And what does this really mean?

Observations:

a: I have found that the temperature increase is directly related to the voltage. The lower the voltage the less heat developed in the electrolysis's process. I'm nearing a point of no need of a cooling system. It seems that the system is balancing it's self as I push closer to efficiency.

b: Also the water "tap" is staying allot cleaner then with the higher voltages.

If this is of interest, please feel free to chime in! If this is nothing new, I'm sorry for waisting everyones time. You may delete this post if it is of no use. Here is the link to my last experiment, "NOT OVERUNITY" I will try to get you proof of my overunity test as soon as possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAROmhiZsY

Thanks in advance for any help!
Sanction

PS: Stefan thanks for asking me to come here with my story!

Humbugger:
Good work Stefan,

That's a great bit of information.  I just wanted to remark that it is interesting how we don't count the value of the water consumed.  Is that just because water is so plentiful compared to volatile hydrocarbon fuels do you think?

I mean, if we were figuring for overunity in a gasoline or diesel engine application, we would only count the energy stored in the fuel and would never think to include the energy it required to obtain, extract, transport and refine it. 

Yet if we look at hydrogen as the fuel, we only count the energy required to extract it and we disregard the value of the source water itself.  Just because it is hugely abundant right now.  Is my thinking screwed up here?  Am I making any sense?  Not exactly, I know.

Sometimes, like with the whole ethanol fiasco and the hit put on corn and other feed stocks because of it, I think we get too focused on the immediate small cycle and forget about the wide-frame picture.  Oh, well...just another random thought...no particular point. 

Here in USA, we gripe about gasoline costs but seem happy to pay a buck or more for a liter of bottled tap water and create a trillion empty plastic bottles in the process!  Crazy!

Reminds me of the book "Gaviotas", though.  Ever read that one?  True story about a team of science and engineering experts trying to bring the gift of technology to a primitive Columbian Indian mountain village...the end result is quite revealing of our collective techno-folly and tunnel vision at times.

Humbugger

hartiberlin:
Yes, water is almost abundant and when we can run a generator just
on water we will have enough energy to make desalinated water from the
ocean waters and pour it into the deserts to grow food for everyone.

We can clean up then the whole pollution too.

mikestocks2006:
Plus when combining Hydrogen and Oxygen back to convert energy, the byproduct is also water, so for all practical purposes the system should be all recycling.
Good info. I think we had these discussions before too.

Also, combining the stoichiometric ratio of only the two dissociated gases (Hydrogen and Oxygen) it produces pure water in an endothermic implosive reaction.

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