Author Topic: Floodrod's Etheric Generator Research / Build (Read 20456 times)

gyulasun · « **Reply #165 on:** May 10, 2022, 08:57:10 PM »

Well, if you use a full wave diode bridge to rectify and switch the DC output side with one mosfet, that is ok also for testing. Downfall: the diodes may introduce unwanted losses when the power level involved is small.

Triacs are normally slow switches, you need to select for the quicker ones. Solid state relays are also slow.

floodrod · « **Reply #166 on:** May 11, 2022, 01:52:33 AM »

Well- it won't work.. I fired up the coil with the power supply and compared motion reaction to exact points of the wave. And of course, the complex nature of the flux put a monkey wrench in my gears. The center core hole is not where the strongest pull is. And the flip I keep referring to on the "edge" is not really the edge.

The 2 pole magnet will stick to the exact center of the coil wall which it is passing. The center core is not sucking it in. And that incoming polarity flip we see is not happening on approach. It happens when the leading magnet enters the coil and only goes the other way right when the 2 poles are centered on the center line of the coil wall. And the same on the way out. There is no window with an air core. Switching the coil has no benefit here. It is full drag the whole way.

I will be reverting back to experimenting with getting my motor to rotate the same was as the current. I may revisit this idea again at a later date if new info emerges

floodrod · « **Reply #167 on:** May 11, 2022, 02:42:03 AM »

Here is a diagram of reactions I saw a almost all points. I included what I think is happening with single polarity magnet also. I tested by powering a coil and using several magnets in all directions feeling where the forces are in relation to the magnet position.

kolbacict · « **Reply #168 on:** May 11, 2022, 09:02:34 AM »

Here is a homemade solid state relay circuit from IR's apnotation.
I did it. It turned out badly. I don’t know why, maybe the components are not the same. Then I did it in my own way. It turned out better.

gyulasun · « **Reply #169 on:** May 11, 2022, 11:23:10 AM »

Quote from: floodrod on May 11, 2022, 02:42:03 AM

Here is a diagram of reactions I saw a almost all points. I included what I think is happening with single polarity magnet also. I tested by powering a coil and using several magnets in all directions feeling where the forces are in relation to the magnet position.

Unfortunately, Lenz law hampers our efforts when it is about coil and magnet flux interactions.
A different approach separates the direct interaction between the coil and the magnet, I referred to such setup for kolbacict here:

https://overunity.com/19099/floodrods-etheric-generator-research-build/msg566457/#msg566457 and here:
https://overunity.com/19099/floodrods-etheric-generator-research-build/msg566625/#msg566625

Sorry that I draw attention to this without my testing it. The inventor Liberty is a member here and I normally give the benefit of doubt to anyone with reasonable claims till proven otherwise.

I mean this claim from him:

"It is not necessary to power this motor 100% of the time. If powered at say 25% of the time, it should run on an average power consumption of 1.5625 watts. (using DC ohms law) 4 watts out / 2 watts in = 200% efficient."
from his website https://www.dynamaticmotors.com/47101.html

Anyway, thank you for all your arduous efforts to do and share your findings.

Gyula

floodrod · « **Reply #170 on:** May 11, 2022, 01:06:20 PM »

Thanks! I will be re-reading all you posted on my next off day.

One more configuration is intriguing me. Magnet reciprocating inside the coil. One polarity repels me out both sides- one polarity keeps me in on both sides. And it seems there may be a way to reverse the polarity on which direction I reciprocate without letting the polarity flip on 1 stroke. Preliminary results suggest it depends how far I reciprocate and where the magnet / coil alignment extends to. If I reciprocate too far, the polarity flips.

It's looking like the safe-zone is center line of magnet to edge of the coil as of now.

I will be gathering more info on this. No claims are being made yet

captainpecan · « **Reply #171 on:** May 12, 2022, 03:40:02 AM »

You've been doing great work. I have been pretty busy this week, but I've been catching up as I can. Thanks again for continuing the efforts and sharing along the way. There are some great talented people watching and adding info as they can. Thank you to everyone, and keep up the great work!

onepower · « **Reply #172 on:** May 12, 2022, 05:12:33 AM »

This is interesting stuff however the only requirement for a FE device is to invoke more change than is normally present in an equivalent process or device. Motion is energy, more motion equates to more energy.

How does what is presented relate to generating or extracting more energy/motion?.

Regards
AC

floodrod · « **Reply #173 on:** May 12, 2022, 07:22:49 PM »

Quote from: onepower on May 12, 2022, 05:12:33 AM

This is interesting stuff however the only requirement for a FE device is to invoke more change than is normally present in an equivalent process or device. Motion is energy, more motion equates to more energy.

How does what is presented relate to generating or extracting more energy/motion?.

Regards
AC

That latest configuration will not work. But I just had a revelation I should have had a long time ago. And I am sure it's been posted many times..

It seems Flux can be practically free.. And Flux drives our motors. Connecting our coils directly to a power supply on both sides was such a waste.. The same amount of flux we produce with 25 watts to drive our motors can be had for a fraction of that amount of wattage.

If we hookup a power supply to a battery, we can place the coil between the 2 positive leads. If the coil is low ohms with nice fat wire (like a 1 ohm coil), we get nice big flux and barely use any wattage producing it. The majority of the current is being caught by the battery instead of going into the ground.

A diode after the coil is probably a good idea to prevent the battery voltage from going the other way.

captainpecan · « **Reply #174 on:** May 12, 2022, 07:46:04 PM »

Yes, that is what I have been working on for many years. There is much info about that online. Both good and bad. It's the same concept as sending energy from 2 batteries in series, into 2 batteries in parallel. It is the same concept of catching the energy in capacitors on the other side. That of course has its own 50% or so loss unrelated to the motor, but the concept is there. I have had great success in increasing run times using this recycling method. In fact it is a huge part of my current experiments. I just haven't shown a lot of it yet. You do NOT capture all the energy into the battery. But it DOES appear to capture a portion you can then reuse. And that motor is not consuming it. You are passing it through it. I did a little dumb video many years ago showing a motor is not consuming it as we have been told. Yes there are losses, but we are actually sending it to ground and neutralizing all of our potential instead doing it the normal way. This way, we do recycle a portion of it.
https://youtu.be/vwp7podu06s

floodrod · « **Reply #175 on:** May 12, 2022, 07:58:16 PM »

Quote from: onepower on May 12, 2022, 05:12:33 AM

How does what is presented relate to generating or extracting more energy/motion?.

Regards
AC

The less the flux interferes with the rotor- the more motion there will be. I needed to learn how lenz affects me. I know the sayings and what the Laws say- but I had to see it all in action for myself to understand why it works like it does.. There is a degree of truth in beating a portion of the lenz resistance by adjusting the core position in certain coil arrangements. How this affects power generation, I am not sure.

Next I want to experiment with what I just posted. Creating my flux to drive the motor between 2 positive leads- for a fraction of the cost

floodrod · « **Reply #176 on:** May 12, 2022, 08:24:03 PM »

Quote from: captainpecan on May 12, 2022, 07:46:04 PM

Yes, that is what I have been working on for many years. There is much info about that online. Both good and bad. It's the same concept as sending energy from 2 batteries in series, into 2 batteries in parallel. It is the same concept of catching the energy in capacitors on the other side. That of course has its own 50% or so loss unrelated to the motor, but the concept is there. I have had great success in increasing run times using this recycling method. In fact it is a huge part of my current experiments. I just haven't shown a lot of it yet. You do NOT capture all the energy into the battery. But it DOES appear to capture a portion you can then reuse. And that motor is not consuming it. You are passing it through it. I did a little dumb video many years ago showing a motor is not consuming it as we have been told. Yes there are losses, but we are actually sending it to ground and neutralizing all of our potential instead doing it the normal way. This way, we do recycle a portion of it.
https://youtu.be/vwp7podu06s

Cool! Correct me if I am wrong.. Not counting inefficiencies of battery charging, etc.. The amount we capture / lose from power supply through a coil to a battery should be calculatable by ohms of the coil?? Does the math work from power supply to battery?

Example- PS pushing 12V 1 amp straight to a battery. So the resistance of the battery is 12 ohms in this example.

Add a 1 ohm coil between, now we have 13 ohms. at 12V, current is now 0.92308 amps to the battery. We are using under 1/10th of the 12 watt input power to create the flux. the other 90+% is going to the battery.

If we connect the 1 ohm coil to the PS directly with 12V, we use the full 12 watts. But by collecting the output, we use under 1.2 watts to create the same amount of flux?

If we are losing more than this, what's the cause?

Another example- I am charging a car battery with 100' cables. Does it take more power to charge the car battery if the 100' charging cable is coiled up rather than straight?

Thanks for any info you can share!

captainpecan · « **Reply #177 on:** May 12, 2022, 08:52:59 PM »

Yes... and no... this one is hard to explain because it seems it shows something different to me on the bench than you would expect. But exact measuring using batteries is a skill I am lacking in. I just get so many different variances in charges being held over time and stuff. It is so much easier to measure it using capacitors because you can get very accurate measurements that are repeatable. But then you also have normal losses simply from using capacitors. It's frustrating. But here is what I have learned from my bench tests...

A quick answer to your question is that yes, you can get pretty close to figuring your losses in the manner. It should not be true, but i have seen similar on the bench. How you cam test it yourself is just like the simple test I did in that old video. When I do them, adding just a resistor between them, still does not lose extra energy. Even using a high resistance. What I see is simply a slower transfer of the energy. Now, there is an argument that if you release the energy way slower, you did lose that work you could have gotten done by pushing all the current faster. But when measuring the amount of energy that actually transfers and gets caught in the other caps, there is very minimal loss. If I had to explain it, using this method to run a motor, the higher the resistance the slower the energy transfers, the less torque the motor gives. That is my assumption. You basically trade torque for longer run time. Which isn't really a waste of energy, it's simply changing how it's used. I also see differences in how much energy is able to transfer due to higher inductance in the circuit, and to counter emf. In my experents, back emf seems to do the same thing as added resistance. It just slows down the energy transfer but it still transfers. I have a lot of theories and tests I've done. It is essential to my motor builds I just haven't gotten a motor efficient enough to move to begin testing woth this powering design. I believe my new motor I am building right now is a perfect candidate and I will be posting a lot about it. New threads coming. Just been waiting on parts.

BTW... You have been following Russ's videos. He 100% understands all this concept because I have been seeing his videos he had made discussing it. Look into his videos posted to grasp the concept better if you need. He has great way of explaining things. His video 4 and 5 will get you looking at things the correct way... here is his part 4. It's a little long, but you already know what your in for when watching his videos... lol
https://youtu.be/6YTRzTniKc8

I will start a thread for this stuff. I don't want to highjack your thread with it to much.

floodrod · « **Reply #178 on:** May 12, 2022, 09:21:42 PM »

Quote from: captainpecan on May 12, 2022, 08:52:59 PM

Yes... and no... this one is hard to explain because it seems it shows something different to me on the bench than you would expect. But exact measuring using batteries is a skill I am lacking in. I just get so many different variances in charges being held over time and stuff. It is so much easier to measure it using capacitors because you can get very accurate measurements that are repeatable. But then you also have normal losses simply from using capacitors. It's frustrating. But here is what I have learned from my bench tests...

A quick answer to your question is that yes, you can get pretty close to figuring your losses in the manner. It should not be true, but i have seen similar on the bench. How you cam test it yourself is just like the simple test I did in that old video. When I do them, adding just a resistor between them, still does not lose extra energy. Even using a high resistance. What I see is simply a slower transfer of the energy. Now, there is an argument that if you release the energy way slower, you did lose that work you could have gotten done by pushing all the current faster. But when measuring the amount of energy that actually transfers and gets caught in the other caps, there is very minimal loss. If I had to explain it, using this method to run a motor, the higher the resistance the slower the energy transfers, the less torque the motor gives. That is my assumption. You basically trade torque for longer run time. Which isn't really a waste of energy, it's simply changing how it's used. I also see differences in how much energy is able to transfer due to higher inductance in the circuit, and to counter emf. In my experents, back emf seems to do the same thing as added resistance. It just slows down the energy transfer but it still transfers. I have a lot of theories and tests I've done. It is essential to my motor builds I just haven't gotten a motor efficient enough to move to begin testing woth this powering design. I believe my new motor I am building right now is a perfect candidate and I will be posting a lot about it. New threads coming. Just been waiting on parts.

BTW... You have been following Russ's videos. He 100% understands all this concept because I have been seeing his videos he had made discussing it. Look into his videos posted to grasp the concept better if you need. He has great way of explaining things. His video 4 and 5 will get you looking at things the correct way... here is his part 4. It's a little long, but you already know what your in for when watching his videos... lol
https://youtu.be/6YTRzTniKc8

Will do... I am testing already. It becomes quickly obvious I want my coil resistance to match the battery resistance to maximize flux and get most efficiency.

Example- if my coil reaches 5 amps at 2 volts (which it does) but I have to put out 13 volts 2 amps to charge my battery, my coil is only getting 2 amps through it and only needs under 1 volt to make it pull 2 amps. So I am sending 11 unneeded volts, which hurts my wattage for no additional flux. Not really wasting because my battery is charging- but defeating the purpose.

But if my coil and battery had the same ohm value- I'd be maximizing my flux to watt ratio. It appears in best case scenario, you can almost double your flux for the same input price..

Yes I know there are losses I am not including and it may not work out like I am insinuating. Just thinking out loud how this should work so when I setup my next motor I have a plan

captainpecan · « **Reply #179 on:** May 12, 2022, 09:49:12 PM »

You are doing exactly as needed. This is one you really do need to learn on the bench. It is also one of the reasons I am experimenting with higher resistance coils of thinner wire to get more turns In a smaller space. Stronger field, less current, but higher voltage. It has seemed to me that the batteries capture more efficiently at lower current charge. At least that's what seems to be happening for me and I am testing. So I am trying to match a motor with coils that both use low current AND get strong magnetic flux. It's a work in progress anyway.

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