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sarkeizen · « **Reply #765 on:** January 22, 2015, 12:39:27 PM »

Quote from: SeaMonkey on January 22, 2015, 05:38:39 AM

You're not doing too badly in this present 'test of your wits.'

If pretending you are someone who's approval is being sought is what makes you feel good. Then I guess that's what you need to do to get through the day.
But it is a simple fact, and you appear to agree that you are requiring people to accept your nonsense positions. If, that is they want to be treated like a rational person by you. Again just stating the facts.

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Somewhat desperate

LOL, if you say so jack.

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Things are sure to get worse for those who
wish to be healthy.

I think I read a review of that article

kEhYo77 · « **Reply #766 on:** January 22, 2015, 07:36:39 PM »

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/why-are-so-many-healthy-people-dying-from-the-flu-after-receiving-the-flu-shot/

Dustcloud · « **Reply #767 on:** January 22, 2015, 08:12:16 PM »

Reply to sarkeizen
Its plainly obvious that your reason for this endless spouting about nothing is that your playing the part of the NWO debunker. Were you paid to waste peoples time here? I suppose you watch Fox News and believe every word that Hanity or O'Reilly vomit to the public

?
Sorry this is just too pathetic. I'm switching to something intelligent for a change.
>>> Alex Jones >>> Ahhh TRUE news

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #768 on:** January 22, 2015, 09:44:31 PM »

Quote from: Sark-Eizen

If pretending you are someone who's approval is being sought is what makes you feel good.

Interesting take. You're admitting then that you
are an 'approval seeker?'

$:-\$

How sad.

sarkeizen · « **Reply #769 on:** January 22, 2015, 09:47:12 PM »

Quote from: Dustcloud on January 22, 2015, 08:12:16 PM

Its plainly obvious that your reason for this endless spouting about nothing

Talking about raptors running the world is probably closer to nothing than what I am talking about. Which with respect to your post was logic.

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Were you paid to waste peoples time here?

Yes, I was paid by the "society for people who like to talk sense"

to lecture you on the merits of having a more consistent way of thinking.

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I'm switching to something intelligent for a change.
>>> Alex Jones >>> Ahhh TRUE news

So are you just trolling then?

sarkeizen · « **Reply #770 on:** January 22, 2015, 09:53:57 PM »

Quote from: SeaMonkey on January 22, 2015, 09:44:31 PM

Interesting take.

It's not a take. It's the facts as you have stated them. If anyone wants to be treated like a rational person by you. You demand that they take your beliefs on faith.

sarkeizen · « **Reply #771 on:** January 22, 2015, 09:56:38 PM »

Quote from: kEhYo77 on January 22, 2015, 07:36:39 PM

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/why-are-so-many-healthy-people-dying-from-the-flu-after-receiving-the-flu-shot/

So what parts of that article do you think are very strong evidence against vaccine safety?

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #772 on:** January 22, 2015, 10:55:58 PM »

Quote from: Sark-Eizen

It's not a take. It's the facts as you have stated them. If anyone wants to be treated like a rational person by you. You demand that they take your beliefs on faith.

Perhaps you might amplify what you mean by my
"beliefs."

Are you a "rational person?"

sarkeizen · « **Reply #773 on:** January 23, 2015, 12:08:20 AM »

Quote from: SeaMonkey on January 22, 2015, 10:55:58 PM

Perhaps you might amplify what you mean by my "beliefs."

Only to a point, as you are being an asshole when it comes to answering questions I only have so much information. One thing you have said is: "It is much more about what you consider to be 'credible evidence.' '". What I consider credible evidence is evidence which, supports a hypothesis (in the Bayesian sense), which is clear, correctly cites source material, conforms to the rules of probability theory and in line with well established principles in other sciences like physics and biology.

Rejecting these principles means effectively believing in things for no good reason at all and virtually everything you have posted is the opposite of one and frequently all of those things.

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Are you a "rational person?"

It doesn't really matter. If you're going to say anything to anyone about anything that has to be one of your fundamental assumptions. Otherwise you might as well recite the dictionary and say it's an argument for vaccine safety...or against vaccine safety.

joel321 · « **Reply #774 on:** January 23, 2015, 04:08:24 AM »

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Again, I don't speak troll very well. Are you trying to say that a dinosaurs lifespan is longer than a humans or that they existed as a species for longer then we did.

Please stop calling me troll or just stop responding back to me as plan and simple.

I thought it was so obvious that dinosaurs have lived on earth longer than us and I thought that you could do math too, the majority states that the dinosaurs where in fact living only with DNA “vaccinations” and a lot of it has to do with preventing it in the first place via “evolution”.

From that we can see that humans have been on this earth for very little than dinosaurs where on this earth as a whole. Are you a dinosaur old man? Not even if you talk about your brothers ans sister apes don't even come close in the time line?

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Every action has an effect. Even inaction. So refusing a vaccination has a side effect of making you more likely to get a disease.

Exactly, how is that hard to see? But let me “not be nice” let me go to work with a microbial filter at work when people go to work with the flu? Am I going to discriminate them or make them feel “sick” or “ill”. Or we can also make them wear microbial filtering masks as to not spread the virus, oh i'm going to hurt their feelings?

We already know that works because painters that paint cars use FILTERS and the same happens in air conditioning units, IN FACT, hospitals have the “best” (I wish) microbial filters as to not spread the virus from one room to the other via the HVAC sytem...and of course we have via the hands hence washing hands hence why I mentioned the thumb is your dirtiest finger....not hard to think at all.

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There are "sub-atomic viruses"? Who knew? Do you mean you don't know how they work at a sub-atomic level? Doubtful but we do know quite a lot about how they work at an atomic level and an enormous amount about how they work at the cellular level.

lol now we can talk about nuclear fission and stuff...it's the same thing. Doctors are trying to figure out the sud-atomic viruses, physicist are trying to understand the sub-atomic particles.

I already mentioned that everything connects with each other. As like talking about bees...all are bees but then we have honey bees, wasps, hornets, bumble bees...etc, but they are all BEES.

The same with the sub-atomic world in both sides, urenium to fuel via fossils and vaccines to fuel the immune system...both are sub-atomic, atomic, really foking small. But we have not figured out all 360* angles or what exists in the mricro world. You only understand what you can understand in the present time ONLY.

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The word we tend to use is "inactivated" which means dead. However since antibodies look for the "shape" of the virus (I'm oversimplifying here a bit) it will cause the body to produce antibodies for the live virus. Enough for someone who comes in contact with the virus to be asymptomatic or sometimes merely have a mild case. The nasal vaccine is a "attenuated" virus which means that the virus is still live and capable of infection but greatly weakened. This is similar to the inoculation done for small pox via cow pox.

I already know this and it's what I said. You are just saying my word of semi-dead = “inactive” and my word of more alive is= “attenuated” but it's still the same thing. I'm not trying to be politically correct because I don't understand the medical lingo just like you don't understand the LAWYERS lingo. BUT I do understand what I need to understand...further understanding than that, I would need to get paid. IOW, just go deeper only in one study.

You just changed my words to medical words and so I'm wrong in the whole main point because you just did that? Okay.

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Absolutely wrong. Antibodies are simply not that specific - if you read Sea Monkey's post about the scary shadow government having a flu vaccine which covers 100% of the flu. While he is an idiot and incorrect there are antibodies which attack more broadly. Another example is the varicella vaccine which has been shown to provide protection to people with the herpes virus.

Yes I can go study many thousandths of pages regarding medicine but that is not my field.

I'm still RIGHT, you are just focusing on the cure after the fact with medicine and forgetting about the cure before THE FACTS. Since if never occurs in the first place, you would not need any medicine.

Lets say that I got the flu shot today and I disregarded EVOLUTIONARY precautions and I never told anyone to caught in the inner elbows. Then I get the virus just like many other millions of other people. Then the virus WILL mutate and become another different PREDOMINANT strand in the future. You are just going to be at war with viruses with medicine.

Now if we educate people, like I have myself, I would have never would have gotten contagious in the beginning = hence not allowing viruses to mutate and evolve to more dangerous! IN FACT VIRUSES HAVE AN IMMUNITY TOo THAT THEY BECOME TO MEDICINE EVENTUALLY. Or am I wrong that viruses don't have their own immunity or way to “evoluve” like “MUTATE”.

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Unless you are taking the nasal vaccine. You are getting a virus that is all dead. Vaccines contain adjuviants which make the body make more antibodies than they usually would.

Ohhh, this is more for shyt and giggles, but you are telling me that there are no cases where a person gets the flu virus right after he/she gets the flu virus shot?

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Yes people can still get sick but not for the reason you stated. See above.

Why should I believe you and not articles stating people whom specialize in this field say so.

I just spoke about people getting sick after the flue shot because the virus mutated so fast that the flu shot became nill. And you expect me to believe you over real experts. ok.

What is your back ground in medicine?

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Exceptionally unlikely - especially with a handshake.

lol, saliva has DNA, sneezing has DNA = saliva fog spray. Wow, this is soooo stupid that I'm amazed how you understand how viruses spread!

Pretend a female having her time of the day and uses the toilet and then there is a drop of blood on the toilet seat. Then comes a person with no vaccination aids (no cure for aids) and sits on the same toilet BELIEVING THAT AN STD/VIRUS CANNOT BE SPREAD VIA A TOILET.. comes a long and says “well, I will believe sarkeizen, and I quote “Exceptionally unlikely“ (nor mentioning no cures for AIDS). So the person that sits down just happens to have an itch in the skit previously that it aligned right next to the blood on the toilet seat (even microscopic) and person itched it hard that caused a microscopic break in the skin, and then the infected DNA enters via that broken skin! You are very INTELLIGENT!

I think I'm done with you. Thanks. Is not like you put sprinkle pill/drug/vaccines on the toilets and water and air to prevent illness for FREEE!

The mere fact that if the STD carrier (person) was to understand that leaving blood on a toilet and not wipe it off, or the mere fact that the other user of the toilet, does not understands to clean the toilet in the first place, is not way better than getting the virus VACCINATION in the first place?

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #775 on:** January 23, 2015, 04:20:04 AM »

Quote from: joel321 on January 23, 2015, 04:08:24 AM

Please stop calling me troll or just stop responding back to me as plan and simple.

I thought it was so obvious that dinosaurs have lived on earth longer than us and I thought that you could do math too, the majority states that the dinosaurs where in fact living only with DNA “vaccinations” and a lot of it has to do with preventing it in the first place via “evolution”.

From that we can see that humans have been on this earth for very little than dinosaurs where on this earth as a whole. Are you a dinosaur old man? Not even if you talk about your brothers ans sister apes don't even come close in the time line?

Exactly, how is that hard to see? But let me “not be nice” let me go to work with a microbial filter at work when people go to work with the flu? Am I going to discriminate them or make them feel “sick” or “ill”. Or we can also make them wear microbial filtering masks as to not spread the virus, oh i'm going to hurt their feelings?

We already know that works because painters that paint cars use FILTERS and the same happens in air conditioning units, IN FACT, hospitals have the “best” (I wish) microbial filters as to not spread the virus from one room to the other via the HVAC sytem...and of course we have via the hands hence washing hands hence why I mentioned the thumb is your dirtiest finger....not hard to think at all.

lol now we can talk about nuclear fission and stuff...it's the same thing. Doctors are trying to figure out the sud-atomic viruses, physicist are trying to understand the sub-atomic particles.

I already mentioned that everything connects with each other. As like talking about bees...all are bees but then we have honey bees, wasps, hornets, bumble bees...etc, but they are all BEES.

The same with the sub-atomic world in both sides, urenium to fuel via fossils and vaccines to fuel the immune system...both are sub-atomic, atomic, really foking small. But we have not figured out all 360* angles or what exists in the mricro world. You only understand what you can understand in the present time ONLY.

I already know this and it's what I said. You are just saying my word of semi-dead = “inactive” and my word of more alive is= “attenuated” but it's still the same thing. I'm not trying to be politically correct because I don't understand the medical lingo just like you don't understand the LAWYERS lingo. BUT I do understand what I need to understand...further than that I would need to get paid.

You just changed my words to medical words and so I'm wrong in the whole main point because you just did that? Okay.

Yes I can go study many thousandths of pages regarding medicine but that is not my field.

I'm still RIGHT, you are just focusing on the cure after the fact with medicine and forgetting about the cure before THE FACTS. Since it never occurs in the first place, you would not need any medicine.

Lets say that I got the flu shot today and I disregarded EVOLUTIONARY precautions and I never told anyone to caught in the inner elbows. Then I get the virus just like many other millions of other people. Then the virus WILL mutate and become another different PREDOMINANT strand in the future. You are just going to be at war with viruses with medicine.

Now if we educate people, like I have myself, I would have never would have gotten contagious in the beginning = hence not allowing viruses to mutate and evolve to more dangerous! IN FACT VIRUSES HAVE AN IMMUNITY TOo THAT THEY BECOME TO MEDICINE EVENTUALLY. Or am I wrong that viruses don't have their own immunity or way to “evoluve” like “MUTATE”.

Ohhh, this is more for shyt and giggles, but you are telling me that there are no cases where a person gets the flu virus right after he/she gets the flu virus shot?

Why should I believe you and not articles stating people whom specialize in this field say so.

I just spoke about people getting sick after the flue shot because the virus mutated so fast that the flu shot became nill. And you expect me to believe you over real experts. ok.

What is your back ground in medicine?

lol, saliva has DNA, sneezing has DNA saliva fog spray. Wow, this is soooo stupid that i'm amazed how you understand how viruses spread!

Pretend a female having her type of the day and uses the toylet and then there is a drop of blood on the toilet seat. Then comes a person with no aids and sits on the same toilet BELIEVING THAT AN STD/VIRUS CANNOT BE SPREAD VIA A TOILET comes a long and says “well, I will believe sarkeizen, and I quote “Exceptionally unlikely “. so the person that sits down just happen to have an itch in the skit that is aligned right next to the blood and itches it that caused a microscopic break in the skin, and then the infected DNA enters via that broken skin! You are very INTELLIGENT!

I think I'm done with you. Thanks. Is not like you put sprinkle pill/drug/vaccines on the toilets and water and air to prevent illness for FREEE!

The mere fact that if the STD carrier was to understand that leaving blood on a toilet to wype it off or the mere fact that the other user of the toilet understand to clean the toilet in the first place is not way better than getting the virus in the first place?

Dinosaurs had no vaccinations and that is probably why they are gone, and we are still here. Of course, it could have been a large meteor.

Self-sanitizing toilet seats, now that is a very good idea. "No more need to watch your ass, we will do it for you." Fantastic idea.

Bill

orbut 3000 · « **Reply #776 on:** January 23, 2015, 05:04:25 AM »

Where are the fake HIV vaccines? Shouldn't the NWO sell those too?

SeaMonkey · « **Reply #777 on:** January 23, 2015, 05:44:22 AM »

Quote from: Sark-Eizen

Only to a point, as you are being an asshole when it comes to answering questions I only have so much information.

Thank You! It must be my Navy Training. When I
went to Boot Camp in 1960 at the Great Lakes
Naval Recruit Training Center, our Company Commander
(BMC Balzrina) informed us that he was "the biggest
Prick on the base." Obviously some of his charm must
have rubbed off on me.

Quote from: Sark-Eizen

One thing you have said is: "It is much more about what you consider to be 'credible evidence.' '". What I consider credible evidence is evidence which, supports a hypothesis (in the Bayesian sense), which is clear, correctly cites source material, conforms to the rules of probability theory and in line with well established principles in other sciences like physics and biology.

Debate, even for purportedly 'scientific' reasons
is no longer my gig. When a youth full of piss and
vinegar debate was challenging and enjoyable.
I'm far past that stage of my existence.

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Rejecting these principles means effectively believing in things for no good reason at all and virtually everything you have posted is the opposite of one and frequently all of those things.

You've just nailed the plight of those who find
themselves enamored of The Matrix. In fact, the
media propaganda organ desires that the masses
within the Matrix believe all that they propagate
for no good reason. Just believe. Do not think.

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It doesn't really matter. If you're going to say anything to anyone about anything that has to be one of your fundamental assumptions. Otherwise you might as well recite the dictionary and say it's an argument for vaccine safety...or against vaccine safety.

My belief is that there is Truth. At the present
time Truth is not abundant and requires some
searching to find it. The MainStream Media is
chock full of Dis-information and Deception.

My goal is to encourage all who desire to find
Truth to search for it in even the most unusual
or unpopular places. Be highly suspicious of all
'news' which originates from within the Beast.
Love your enemies and do unto others as you
would have them do unto you.

K

sarkeizen · « **Reply #778 on:** January 23, 2015, 05:49:29 AM »

Quote from: joel321 on January 23, 2015, 04:08:24 AM

Please stop calling me troll

As soon as you stop acting like one.

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I thought it was so obvious that dinosaurs have lived on earth longer than us and I thought that you could do math too,

Much more than you can. Yes.

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the majority states

The majority of what? Fruit bats? Sales clerks? People in the idiot caucus?

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that the dinosaurs where in fact living only with DNA “vaccinations” and a lot of it has to do with preventing it in the first place via “evolution”.

No, it probably has more to do with not being an agrarian society and having a low population density.

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already know that works because painters that paint cars use FILTERS and the same happens in air conditioning units, IN FACT, hospitals have the “best” (I wish) microbial filters as to not spread the virus from one room to the other via the HVAC sytem

Hospital ventilation systems have filters that are very good but a) this is not the only or even main form of infection depending on the virus. b) You couldn't wear or force someone to wear those if you wanted to and c) they are not perfect and d) as I mentioned you have to be wearing them and many if not most viruses (ebola being an interesting outlier) are infectious when you are asymptomatic.

Vaccines protect you even when you forget to put on your hazmat suit.

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I already know this and it's what I said. You are just saying my word of semi-dead = “inactive”

No you don't "semi-dead" is in English at best ambiguous. It can easily mean alive (but just barely).

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You just changed my words to medical words and so I'm wrong in the whole main point because you just did that? Okay.

No, I used the correct words and corrected your poor English.

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I'm still RIGHT, you are just focusing on the cure after the fact with medicine and forgetting about the cure before THE FACTS. Since if never occurs in the first place, you would not need any medicine.

Sorry I don't speak whatever language you are using. You said a vaccine ONLY PROTECTS AGAINST EXACTLY ONE STRAND and that is incorrect.

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I would have never would have gotten contagious in the beginning

Yes you would. Since you would be contagious before you knew you had the virus.

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hence not allowing viruses to mutate and evolve to more dangerous!

Viruses do not get more dangerous because they mutate. In fact some become less dangerous when they mutate.

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IN FACT VIRUSES HAVE AN IMMUNITY TOo THAT THEY BECOME TO MEDICINE EVENTUALLY. Or am I wrong that viruses don't have their own immunity or way to “evoluve” like “MUTATE”.

Viruses don't have an immune system. They simply change, some of those changes are harmful, some are not, the changes which allow for propagation end up being the changes which prevail.

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but you are telling me that there are no cases where a person gets the flu virus right after he/she gets the flu virus shot?

I didn't say anything like that. Your grasp of English is like a preschooler. Which flu virus? The one you are vaccinated against?

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Why should I believe you and not articles stating people whom specialize in this field say so.

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Because you probably don't understand what you are reading.

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I just spoke about people getting sick after the flue shot because the virus mutated so fast that the flu shot became nill. And you expect me to believe you over real experts. ok.

That's not what you were saying in text I was responding to. You said people get sick because it only protects against the predominate strain and it doesn't. a) Most vaccines are trivalent which means they carry three serotypes and b) one of the factors in choosing a serotype is going to be the breadth of the protection.

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What is your back ground in medicine?

None. I'm just an average person.

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saliva has DNA, sneezing has DNA = saliva fog spray. Wow, this is soooo stupid that I'm amazed how you understand how viruses spread!

Yes, you are very stupid. Not all viruses survive in the same environments for the same length of time. Not all cells are vulnerable to all viruses. HIV for example attempts to infect CD4 cells which are found primarily in the blood stream. This is why oral is so much lower risk than anal or vaginal.

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Pretend a female having her time of the day and uses the toilet and then there is a drop of blood on the toilet seat. Then comes a person with no vaccination aids (no cure for aids) and sits on the same toilet BELIEVING THAT AN STD/VIRUS CANNOT BE SPREAD VIA A TOILET

I don't know what "extremely unlikely" means in troll but in English it means an exceptionally low probability. A microscopic break is also probably not enough.

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The mere fact that if the STD carrier (person) was to understand that leaving blood on a toilet and not wipe it off, or the mere fact that the other user of the toilet, does not understands to clean the toilet in the first place, is not way better than getting the virus VACCINATION in the first place?

For a disease for which there is no vaccine? Sure. However that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.

sarkeizen · « **Reply #779 on:** January 23, 2015, 06:00:32 AM »

Quote from: SeaMonkey on January 23, 2015, 05:44:22 AM

Thank you!

Awwww....it's cute when someone tries to cover up treating people badly by attempting to make it commendable. You said something about the immature earlier right? This must of course be what you meant.

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Debate, even for purportedly 'scientific' reasons is no longer my gig.

Don't worry, at no point in time were you ever considered someone who would be doing something in a scientific way.

Anyway you're just avoiding the point again. This isn't about debate. You are still, like it or not demanding people accept your beliefs on faith in order to be treated as if they are rational.

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Just believe. Do not think.

Is exactly what you're commanding people...if they want to be treated as a rational person by you. Thanks for the admission of guilt.

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Be highly suspicious of all 'news' which originates from within the Beast.

Where you are the person who gets to defined what is and is not "the Beast" and you also command people to be insanely gullible to things you deem "not from the Beast". At least, that's what you've said, several times now.

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