Author Topic: Big try at gravity wheel (Read 724319 times)

Grimer · « **Reply #1050 on:** February 14, 2014, 06:23:50 PM »

Quote from: Grimer on February 14, 2014, 10:17:40 AM

I owe the idea of recoil to Hans von Lieven.

In my view his paper (link below) is the best single source for info on the Keenie.

http://www.zen111904.zen.co.uk/THE%20ROAD%20TO%20PERPETUAL%20MOTION.htm

I'll have to find the relevant quote.

For me, one of the most significant passaged in Hans von Lieden's paper is the following:

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It is my contention that Bessler discovered his "motus perpetualis" by observation!

We know that at some stage in his life Bessler was a soldier. I believe he discovered his principle by watching the recoil of a gun.

We also know that Bessler was the recipient of an extraordinary education, which at the time was considered second to none.

He was tutored by Christian Weise (1642-1708). Weise was an outstanding intellect in his time. His work on science, education and literature is considered of such importance that his collected works (25 volumes !) were re-published as recently as 1971!

He is almost unknown outside Germany.

I believe the only thing Hans lacked was a valve in the shape of a one way clutch. Had he grasped the significance of that in throwing away half of the jerk energy he would have had the complete solution.

MarkE · « **Reply #1051 on:** February 14, 2014, 06:33:56 PM »

Mr. Grimer you are being very rude and disruptive. Kindly take your discussion of the Keenie Device to the Keenie Device thread.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1052 on:** February 14, 2014, 07:35:57 PM »

Bessler's experience as a master _clockmaker_ is far more relevant to his fakery than his experience as a soldier. What he discovered is that maids work cheaply but aren't always completely faithful after leaving one's employ. The gullibility of (some of) the rich has been known since long before Bessler.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1053 on:** February 14, 2014, 07:46:20 PM »

Wayne Travis said,

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...Engineers from Adapco recognized five - Of the engineers that have evaluated our system some trip up at the "counter intuitive" design process - not all.

Adapco said "you have presented at least five counter intuitive designs into your system that in reflection - are a requirement to defeat the law of conservation. ...

Which Adapco would that be, then?

http://www.myadapco.com/

Mosquito control? Appropriate perhaps but really, that must not be the one Travis means.

http://www.cd-adapco.com/

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CD-adapco is the world's largest independent CFD-focused provider of engineering simulation software, support and services. We have over 30 years of experience in delivering industrial strength engineering simulation.

That sounds more like it.... and in the first couple of Google search pages there aren't any other likely candidates. Please feel free, Mister Wayne Travis, to provide correct contact details so that we can get the verification "straight from the horse's mouth" so to speak.

Meanwhile....

I see that CD-adapco has offices in Tulsa OK and Austin TX, as well as many other places.
Here's the contact info for the Tulsa office:

Triad II Building 7645 East 63rd Street Suite 105 Tulsa OK 74133 United States Telephone: (+1) 918 505 4220 Fax: (+1) 918 872 9443 Email: info@cd-adapco.com Support Email: support-us@cd-adapco.com

Mister Wayne Travis's claim sure sounds like he is trying to say that "adapco" engineers have somehow confirmed his claims. I wonder what the company has to say about that. Since he mentioned them here in a public forum in that context... what does that do to any NDAs that may have been signed, I wonder?

ETA: But really.... read the quote from Travis again, isolated from the rest of his ... er.... rhetoric. Perhaps the adapco engineers are telling him he has made five unsupportable ("counterintuitive") assumptions in his kludgewerk that would represent violations of "the law of conservation", hence preventing it from working as he claims. Indeed... if this engineering simulation software company has a simulation that indicates any OU.... I wouldn't trust them to build any bridges or airplanes.

MarkE · « **Reply #1054 on:** February 14, 2014, 08:24:23 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on February 14, 2014, 07:49:16 PM

My, are you not funny,, run the transfer pump,,

Why waste energy\potential from the system if you do not need to,, just because you can? that is still silly,,

Webby, because you have no choice in the matter. The configuration that you set-up is condemned to losing almost half it's energy operating as you have described that you intend it to operate.

The transfer pump does not help you here. You have a first state with the two cylinders as you have specified and there is a second transient state with the cylinders at equal pressure. The process of going from the first state to the second state loses nearly half the stored energy of the first state to heat.

mrwayne · « **Reply #1055 on:** February 14, 2014, 09:00:42 PM »

Quote from: MarkE on February 14, 2014, 06:20:45 PM

We only get to work within nature's constraints.

Nature has much more to discover, or not.

Good day.

minnie · « **Reply #1056 on:** February 14, 2014, 09:26:35 PM »

Hi,
let's not mess about any more. Mrwayne, Sunset or Webby please one or all of you submit
the drawing of a "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself".
I'll send it to prof. Peter Higgs at Edinburgh and he'll know if it'll work or not.
John.

Grimer · « **Reply #1057 on:** February 14, 2014, 09:50:04 PM »

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

New pictures for St Valentine's day.

MarkE · « **Reply #1058 on:** February 14, 2014, 10:33:10 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on February 14, 2014, 09:00:42 PM

Nature has much more to discover, or not.

Good day.

Mr. Wayne, no we mere mortals have much to discover about nature. However, when it comes to lifting and dropping weights as your contraptions do, we have a very good understanding and it is that gravity is conservative.

MarkE · « **Reply #1059 on:** February 14, 2014, 10:34:48 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on February 14, 2014, 09:21:31 PM

Sorry MarkE,, you missed again.

Your process CAN happen, but it most definitely does not NEED to happen.

I feel that if I need to explain this process to you then, well I should not need to should I.

Webby, oh by all means explain away. Shall we begin with your sketch?

minnie · « **Reply #1060 on:** February 14, 2014, 10:57:37 PM »

Come on Webby,
all any of us needs is that sketch of a simple three layer system that is
clearly overunity by itself. Forget all the crap about transfer pumps etc. they can only
introduce losses.
John.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1061 on:** February 14, 2014, 11:19:02 PM »

Just for reference:

http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg332026/#msg332026

The word "simple" got put into the quote somewhere downstream. If it's an assumption of mine... sorry. Maybe the three layer system isn't so "simple" after all... since nobody has been able to show one that is "clearly overunity by itself".

Then there's the "960 percent" quote:

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Creative Entropy Disruption
November 6, 2012 Hello Friends and Family, We are having a blast! Let me ask you a couple of questions...... Do you feel a sense of urgency in our development? Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles, are you ready for the internal validation, and the external validation? Me too! Some of you are new to our team - I will be the first to admit - I was eager to "jump the gun" four years ago. I had to grow up to the reality that due diligence is more important than feelings, the need for due diligence trumps desire, it trumps time-lines. That maturity does not mean that I do not still wish for all of this work to be finished and over - I assure you. Mark Dansie has taught me one thing "It will be when it will be" on the surface it seems too simple of an explanation - but a little deeper - it means "do not rush or be pressured by desires - yours or others .. focus on your diligence". Mark is right, and thank God that Mark is the skeptic that gives advice - I receive continual bad advice from others - that if I followed - we would have presented to the world our unfinished work - to meet their ego - not the needs of our business and future relationships. Mark advised me - that in order to get the right help - we needed to attract the right people - with the right connections - and that "WE" needed to supply the right answer to the energy question. I decided that 160% was not good enough - and considering our latest physical testing of our TAZ is 960% - I think the timing is just about right. Now we are buttoning up the details - part of every improvement we have made - we are getting pretty good at it with all the great people who volunteer. So the feeling to finish - will be meeting the "due diligence" as soon as possible. After last weeks update - one of the validation members asked me not to publish their schedules - and I will respect that wish. It is only the small things that we wrap up now - I read a quote that said: "Whomever can not be bothered with the small things, should not be considered worthy to handle the large things". (ask an astronaut if the small things matter) Yes they do - that is the purpose of due diligence. Remember - if you are a member of our team, please feel free to come by for a personal update - get your picture for posterity, or write me - I still answer e-mails each morning. Thank you for the many letters and prayers - I mentioned in our last private update about helping setup our hands on ZED discovery cove / Omni plex - for the ZED technology and development. We have the building donated - and we could use some hands on model builders to help put together some of the experiments we did over the last few years that helped us to understand the ZED Technology - I think this will go a long way to help those that will come. I had a gentleman share with me today that his granddaughter was entering the "Travis Effect" in her science fair - the word is getting out! Thanks again for the prayers. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC

Sorry, I don't have a direct link for that, but I'm sure Travis can find it. The internet never forgets, really.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1062 on:** February 14, 2014, 11:27:03 PM »

Quote from: minnie on February 14, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Come on Webby,
all any of us needs is that sketch of a simple three layer system that is
clearly overunity by itself. Forget all the crap about transfer pumps etc. they can only
introduce losses.
John.

He doesn't know how to do it. Nobody does. Travis "misspoke" when he made that claim, I fear. And with that "960 percent" claim ... well, it's no wonder he blew his skirts... so to speak.

lightend · « **Reply #1063 on:** February 15, 2014, 01:02:58 AM »

wow, you would never guess we are all meant to be searching and designing and inventing things together, you know, on the same side.

you gotta wonder that if we, a group who are dedicated to the same thing, cant stop bickering between each other, then how the hell does any invention brought here stand a chance of being spread?

as for those waiting for this guy, who hasnt even asked for us to look at his machine ,to put YT vids up. why not get off you back side and try some inventing your self and publish here.
we have all (well, at least some of us) spent money making things only to find out we missed something somewhere along the line.

even if this big thing doesnt work, we could take something out of it, the principals high lighted by this machine can inspire us all.

1) counter weight, work out a system of having weight A spinning around somehow, and haveing weight B counter balance A as A goes up. then detaches as A comes down only to reattach as A goes up again.

2) perhaps use counter balancing in another way. (see attached)

so, perhaps rather than waiting for someone else to do the work for you, you could stand up and try it your self.. if you really want to know if this machine will work or not, give it a go.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1064 on:** February 15, 2014, 01:45:52 AM »

Well, the funny thing about when you first come across a proposition like this is that you actually don't feel motivated to even try to look at it because it is so obviously impossible. But that is the 'bad attitude' so you go for it instead. Hence MarkE and TK take out their slide rules. The mechanical analog computer shall rise again!

Webby, are you capable of presenting your ideas in a step-by-step fashion showing a full cycle? I get the feeling that you are not capable of doing it. It's like when people talk about circuits in a strange pseudo-electronics abstract way and you ask them to draw out a timing diagram. Chances are you won't get a response because they can't. So I think you are stuck. Your mind deals with this in a more abstract way and you imagine parts of the system doing what you say they are doing but you can't translate that into physical reality along with the equations and sample calculations. For example, I would not be surprised if you were not aware that you lose half of the energy when the pressures equalize.

I actually don't think Wayne himself can do some real energy calculations to even show parts of the alleged system in action. There is nothing there, just a bunch of words strung together that don't mean anything. The whole prophet/preacher/attempted brainwash angle is distasteful to me. But then again, he is not pitching for me, his pitch is tailored for a different audience.

The most laughable statement was where he alleged that he is meeting with utility companies as the head of his company. To only be a fly on the wall. It would be like a scene from a Charlie Chaplin movie.

Meanwhile, with all these volunteers and the community spirit and the team effort and all that stuff.... Were is the Internet footprint for all of these good vibes? Were are the Facebook pages where people proudly state that they are on Team Zed? Where are Wayne's proud pics of the different prototypes? Where are the pics of the the happy hydraulic development team after a milestone? This has been one big happy party for years now.

Now everybody think about this! lol

MileHigh

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