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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: sknoxmn on December 29, 2012, 06:08:29 AM
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I've been looking at the vidoes and reading alot of sites about taking bar magnets with north south through the thickness and drawing a steel ball up an aluminum ramp and letting gravity take its course before the ball either sticks to the magnets or returns to the center section of the bar magnets.
I have seen people that say parallel the bars. I have seen people saying to bring the upper ends of the magnets closer together to get a stronger field for the steel ball to be attracted all towards.
I have seen steel balls fall from said ramps. I have read sites where people say that the act of placing the ball from the table to the rail is providing the "Energy". To this I disagree, in that the ball sitting on any surface is merely sitting there. we don't care to split hairs over how it got there. any more than saying a sprint racer cheated by getting to his start block before the other runners, when the race has yet to start.
I take issue with the whole term SMOT since making a ball roll around a circle, from a ramp continuously may or may not be able to produce any kind of energy. I suspect that it doesn't. So the OU portion should not be included in what people seem to be trying to create with the ramp "closing the loop".
Just because everyone uses a word, doesn't mean its being used properly. Me being new to all of this, of course I don't know most of the terminology in the first place. But from my very limited experience in this arena I can say that so far I'm not impressed by any of the "experts" that can't see to even use the basic terms appropriately.
So my question has likely been asked many many times around here. Which configuration of bar magnets with polarity through its thickness rather than down its length, makes for the more effient ramp from which to drop a steel bar.
I'd also like to know if there is anywhere around here for ideas that people have tried which failed so as to not go down that road. Drawings and such for the designs.
And I'm sure like a lot of others on this site I come in all Gung-Ho, fresh eyes and a pipe dream about how I have an idea that "No one else ever tried". I'm sure tons have been tried. but I do have some ideas that I have not yet seen or read about on the internet or in YT videos. In fact I haven't seem these ideas discussed even in this forum.... yet.
Now as for my basic questions and my "new" ideas, they are for returning the ball to the start point without violating any laws and seem to be common sense to me. But again, I am new to all of this. and would simply like to know if parallel seems "better" or going with the /\ ramp.
Thanks for the time and space, Flame on :)
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Bill Mehess gave it a good shot, but in the end it doesn't appear possible to loop a SMOT. Magnets cannot power anything on their own.
http://www.overunity.com/10552/smot-close-to-closing-the-loop-second-video-big-improvement/
http://www.youtube.com/user/excel60/videos
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I have seen the videos that Bill made. His setups look a lot like the ones I've been playing with. I'm checking these things out so as to not recreate what has been proven to not work.
Still leaves me with the question though. Bar magnets in a V or parallel for better chance of a good drop or a steeper angle...? Also with the bars, are they polarized through the thickness or end to end.
I would imagine that end to end then setting them in the V would make for a stronger pull where they are closer to each other.
What I'm thinking I'll do is set mine parallel, magnetized through the thickness rather than end to end. I have been able to get a consistant drop with an angle of about 30 - 35 degrees.
Anyway, things we do know: You can pull a ball up a ramp - You can have the ball drop - you can roll a ball into the magnetic field to pull it up the ramp.
I guess I'll get back on building mine again to see why no one can put these few things together.
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Use whatever shape magnet you want, doesn't make a difference. Bill stopped because he couldn't do it, not because of skeptics.
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No reason to dig into SMOTs. Devices that are suppose to be powered solely by permanent magnets will never work. The reason is because a permanent magnet is carrying potential energy that does not change over time.
In order to do work with magnets, the potential energy have to change within a given period of time so parts of it will be kinetic energy - that will not happen with permanent magnets - and ofcourse the SMOT will never be possible to loop.
Vidar.
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Do keep in mind that the name SMOT isn't exactly accurate either. I am not trying to generate power. and I certainly am not trying to get more work out of that it starts with.
Some people say that the hypothetical SMOT can never make even 1 complete cycle. aka closing of the loop.
The closing the loop generally means the magnetic loop. and we all know that this closed system, isolated to the fields, will never be perpetual if for no other reason than friction.
I am somewhat aware of the potential energy and the KE of the ball. Its that KE that I want to use to get the ball back to the start postion. Even with the almost undetecable push prior to being drawn into the ramp.
Im thinking steeper entry and let it roll on in. Just make sure its dropped higher than its start point and let gravity take care of the friction portion. I dont see gravity stopping doing what its been doing anytime soon.
at some point I also think people need to set a threshold as to what is considered to be perpetual, would gravity be perpetual? enough ranting on my part. The new magnets should arrive tomorrow.
I'll get through the first cycle first and piss a lot of people off. :)
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Watch Bill's videos he tried all that.
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Yes, gravity is perpetual. That's the problem.... it doesn't flow, you can't deplete it or turn it into something else, it's a characteristic of "space", whatever that is, caused by the presence of mass. The only way to affect gravity is to change the distribution of mass in space, and the only thing you can do with gravity is to affect the distribution of mass in space. The interplay between the gravitational PE of a mass wrt some reference point, and the KE of a moving mass (as a pendulum or flywheel, for examples), is a perfect energy storage mechanism. It's strictly a BYOE (bring your own energy) kind of party, though.
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Hi,
when you get say a close orbiting moon to a planet that moon deforms and heats up. Is that energy coming from the slowing
down of that system?
John.
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Hi,
when you get say a close orbiting moon to a planet that moon deforms and heats up. Is that energy coming from the slowing
down of that system?
John.
Yes it does. Take the moon Europa around Saturn. Its core is heated up that way because it rotates around its own axis. However, these systems are gigantic systems with lots of mass, so the system will take looooong time to see noticable change in velocity, thus loss of kinetic energy. It isn't the orbit around saturn that will slow down first, but the moons rotation around its own axis.
Our moon is said to be a cold moon because the moon does rotate aroud its own axis with the exact same rate as the moon orbits the Earth. Hence there will not be a change in the deformation of the moon which would cause it to heat up. However the moon cause the sea to deform as it orbits the Earth and also apply heat to the sea by slowing down the moon. In spite of the slowing moon, it increase the distance to the Earth by a few centimeters each year.
Look at the Earths scale, after the big earthquake in Japan last year caused lots of mass to move towards the poles. This mass displacement caused the Earth to actually speed up the Earth with a few micro seconds per day. This will cause the Earth core to heat up further as it rotates faster in the gravity field from the sun. However, this appearently increased energy is already applied by the sun in advance - energy that caused the tectonic plates to suddenly release its potential (Stored) energy.
In all a very big systems that is changing very slowly compared to its scale. Lucky for us, the scale is so big, we can actually harness the energy loss and get useful energy supply for what ever we want to power - because we are so small, and our energy demands is nanoscale compared to the energy that is released in a planetary system.
Vidar
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Watch Bill's videos he tried all that.
I have looked at his videos and I have not seen any of them come close to what I'm thinking. What I did see was him saying that he's getting closer but yet showing the ball run into and subsequently, bouncing off of the bottom of the ramp board itself.
Perhaps in the several videos of his that I did see, none of them seem to have the lest level of the return ramp actually set at the entry level of the magnetic ramp.
One he does move the glass tray over from one device to the other. The tray with the bend aluminum on its edge to bring the ball around. But that one he starts the ball 1/2 way around the track as it is nowhere near his "exit scoop" or the exit point of the ramp.
If there is a video showing the ball boucing off the magnetic forces of the ramp itself, Perhaps I have not yet seen this one.
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Yes, gravity is perpetual. That's the problem.... it doesn't flow, you can't deplete it or turn it into something else, it's a characteristic of "space", whatever that is, caused by the presence of mass. The only way to affect gravity is to change the distribution of mass in space, and the only thing you can do with gravity is to affect the distribution of mass in space. The interplay between the gravitational PE of a mass wrt some reference point, and the KE of a moving mass (as a pendulum or flywheel, for examples), is a perfect energy storage mechanism. It's strictly a BYOE (bring your own energy) kind of party, though.
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So, at what scale would someone say a "perpetual" motion device is created? Is it that it outlasts the person that built it? Does it need to run for 100 years? 1000 years? or does it really have to run until the end of the universe as we know it?
Thats what I was talking about when saying there needs to be some kind of threshold. Yes in the end, nothing it perpetual anything because one day this will all go away.
So since energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but only changed from one form to another... Why does anyone in there right mind spend any time on any of these devices listed in this forum?
I set the threshold at something that will repeat itself until an outside force acts on it. Since people want to talk Universal laws and thermal dynamics. Lets not forget the second half of that law. :)
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So, at what scale would someone say a "perpetual" motion device is created? Is it that it outlasts the person that built it? Does it need to run for 100 years? 1000 years? or does it really have to run until the end of the universe as we know it?
It has to run for longer than you are willing to watch it.
No, seriously.... you have pointed out why you don't really see people referring to PM machines much any more. The definition of Perpetual Motion is too tricky.
Thats what I was talking about when saying there needs to be some kind of threshold. Yes in the end, nothing it perpetual anything because one day this will all go away.
Agreed.
So since energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but only changed from one form to another... Why does anyone in there right mind spend any time on any of these devices listed in this forum?
That's a loaded question. There are apparently as many degrees of "right mindedness" as there are definitions of perpetual motion. "I'm a genius, you're eccentric, he's a whacko nutjob." Know what I mean? My own madness consists of wanting to see evidence for unusual claims, and I'm fascinated by high voltage stuff and bright shiny flashing objects. Others have their own fascinations-- the SMOT has flummoxed many people for many years, and if you think you've got a variant that hasn't yet been tried, I'd really like to see it in action.
I set the threshold at something that will repeat itself until an outside force acts on it. Since people want to talk Universal laws and thermal dynamics. Lets not forget the second half of that law. :)
Yep, that "repeat itself" is important. A cycle, with end conditions the same as start conditions, repeating over and over, or accelerating to failure, without action of "outside forces".
But would that "outside force" exclusion apply to some new source of energy, like Tesla's Wheelworks of Nature, or the "zero point resonant Casimir effect" or something like that (dark energy in a bottle)?
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You should not listen to critics.
Yes, a SMOT ramp adds energy to the runner ball, that is in the form of gravitational
potential energy. You can tell with your own eyes because the the ball ends up higher than it was at the
beginning. You can connect these ramps end to end and the ball will continue to rise.
...BUT...
You have not yet extracted the ball to outside the magnetic field of the ramp yet. You will need to do this
before you can get your energy free. This is where everyone fails. As the ball is extracted it is attracted
back towards all those magnets you have used to build the ramp. The ball becomes uncontrollable
because of this energy. It will not behave "reliably" or have engineering "control margins" to get
back to beginning.
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By the way, doesn't the ball only move as fast a you flick it onto the ramp?...No way. The ball is accelerated
as it moves onto the ramp.
...BUT...
LENZ law magnetic braking restricts the maximum speed at which the ball rolls on the ramp.
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Note; a ball has a fixed ratio of forward momentum and speed -to- rotational
momentum and speed but suppose we could decouple those like with an automatic
transmission. Could such a system make it across the sticky spot?
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I propose that magnetic energy is coupled out of the SMOT field magnets and into
the SMOT runner because the ball "tacks" the gravitational force vector against the magnetic
field vector. You can never approach a magnet directly because the magnetic lines
of force come towards the magnet have to broken on it's exit away from the magnet
extracting all the energy it gained.
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There is no magnetic insulating material but superconductivity and the
inverse relationship of magnetic strength and R^2 radius squared. Figure
out how to insulate your magnetic flux utilizing distance by spreading things
out. Squeezing them together only strengthens the magnetic array "sticky point"
to where it dominates system energy.
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The following was derived from a Clazer video showing a magnet mounted
on a fire-engine toy truck being draw towards a magnetic array then being
released from it with sufficient momentum to get to the next array.
I think this could help you demonstrate the feasibility of a pure magnetic
motor, which has not really been done yet.
1) There is a very inexpensive toy that lets you draw a "track",
a dark ink line on a large piece of paper. Then a small battery
powered car that will follow the line drawn on the piece of paper
around. If this ink line eventually rejoins itself the car will
go around and around the track until it depletes it battery power.
Technically this is called; a "Line Following Robot".
2) One would then build a bigger version of this, perhaps using the
small car as a sensor for a bigger cart that does not use battery
power to move, but only uses battery power to *steer* the cart…
So for example, if you set the cart on the line track and gave
it a push it would follow the track until its momentum ran down
due to friction. *Its battery would cause the cart to stick to
the line, but not make it move in the forward direction.
3) One would build a series of Halbach linear permanent magnet
arrays. These arrays are quit common and not theoretically
difficult but emit both of their magnetic poles of their fields
out in a single direction. They are a standard available thing.
4) One would then build a permanent bar magnet array on the
cart.
5) By positioning the Halbach magnet arrays on the paper that
has a track drawn on it one can get the cart to go between one
Halbach array and the next while following the line.
6) By drawing the line in a particular way, where the cart approaches
the magnetic array in a non-straight line manner, energy will be
added to the cart so that it moves around and around on the track
while the battery supplies only the steering function energy.
7) While this device is not necessarily in itself overunity in
this current form, it shows what one what would need to do to
build one that is overunity.
~ Theoretical Logic;
1) "Clanzer" a person in Britain. Has a youtube video of a small
cart being pulled along under the influence from one Halbach array
to next while eventually releasing the cart with momentum to
continue on. So this appears quite doable.
2) The Halbach array's unidirectionality will most likely cause
the magnetic "sticky spot" that invariably forms when magnetic
arrays occur in a circle to have its magnetic strength be
significantly reduced due to the array's highly directional
nature.
3) These magnetic arrays can be located arbitrarily far apart
depending on the distance the cart will move from momentum
after being released from the array. This will defeat the
magnetic sticky spot through the action of R^2.
4) The cart uses the mechanical force vector from the permanent
magnets against the sideways steering of the cart to add energy
by a means identical to a magnetic SMOT track using a runner
ball to move it uphill against gravity. The SMOT tendency of
its runner to behave in this manner has already been
demonstrated, again in another youtube video by "Clanzer".
5) The line drawing lets you adjust the system so the cart stays
on tack while not approaching the magnetic array straight-on so
the "tacking" function of (4) is retained to add energy to the
cart.
6) The doable requirements of the cart are; Can roll with low
friction, has sufficient steering bandwidth due to the fact
that maximum velocity may be systems dependent and has steering
motion that does not couple to carts forward motion.
All this appears quite doable and should work.
:S:MarkCoffman
I have looked at his videos and I have not seen any of them come close to what I'm thinking. What I did see was him saying that he's getting closer but yet showing the ball run into and subsequently, bouncing off of the bottom of the ramp board itself.
Perhaps in the several videos of his that I did see, none of them seem to have the lest level of the return ramp actually set at the entry level of the magnetic ramp.
One he does move the glass tray over from one device to the other. The tray with the bend aluminum on its edge to bring the ball around. But that one he starts the ball 1/2 way around the track as it is nowhere near his "exit scoop" or the exit point of the ramp.
If there is a video showing the ball boucing off the magnetic forces of the ramp itself, Perhaps I have not yet seen this one.
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Hey new guy , Don't bother with this smot stuff ,as you can see man has learned all there is to know about magnets and gravity. If you do discover anything new , an internet flaming will be the least of your problems.
I wish you good fortune in your quest.
Tim
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I enjoy listening to the critics. Sometimes they have pretty sound logic for the specific area that they are talking about. Other times, they know almost enough to be dangerous. (I happen to know even less than that myself)
One guy had posted something about so many people trying this over so many years that it just can't be done. Reminds me of the "partner" to the guy that started the US patent office. When he said, why would we do that? Everything that can be invented already has been invented.
I think that sometimes other people pointing out the things that have failed just saves the rest of us "tinkerers" a lot of time. Or it causes us to see the problems and tear it apart bit by bit until we solve each piece then put it all back together.
What we have seen is ramps that drop a steel ball, we have seen them angled, we have seen them flat. With "deflectors" to move the ball away (roll away) we have even seen "The Scoop" whish I happen to like a lot personally. What we haven't really seen is anyone getting the ball to "load".
Some work on the magnet array and adjust the ramp to suit, others build a ramp then adjust the magnets to achieve that angle. Some drop the ball and roll it away, some like to make circles.
I think that this maybe needs to be looked at differently in order to solve it. and Im certain at some point at least one other person has (if not hungreds of them) So I am working on just making the ball do its thing, not trying to disprove any universal laws or power my house. As much as I hate the term SMOT since we can't get higher than 1. I would like to just build the Simple Magnetic Toy using the energy it already has from the magnets.
I think I'll call it SMUT! Simple Magnetic Unity Toy. I like that. I'm going with it.
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And what you'll wind up with is a bunch of SNOT.
(Simple non-overunity toys.)
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What we have seen is ramps that drop a steel ball, we have seen them angled, we have seen them flat. With "deflectors" to move the ball away (roll away) we have even seen "The Scoop" whish I happen to like a lot personally. What we haven't really seen is anyone getting the ball to "load".
The only 'loading' you can get is the initial input of energy involved with placing the ball in position. That energy will be conserved. Neither magnets or shielded magnets or gravity or springs contribute any recoverable work to the system.
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Yeah, by building the device I guess the energy spent isn't wasted but conserved with regard to unity because the tools and wood didn't come together themselves after a supernova.
Generators aren't as efficient as the claim either because some spent energy to turn the switch that energy wasn't considered when it was rated I'd bet.
And I'm pleased that there won't be any recoverable energy because that's not the goal :)
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Yeah, by building the device I guess the energy spent isn't wasted but conserved with regard to unity because the tools and wood didn't come together themselves after a supernova.
Generators aren't as efficient as the claim either because some spent energy to turn the switch that energy wasn't considered when it was rated I'd bet.
And I'm pleased that there won't be any recoverable energy because that's not the goal :)
Perhaps the word should be 'usable' energy. Lifting the ball and placing it at the beginning of the SMOT is the only loading you're going to get. Nothing you can do will crate a continuously running SMOT device. If you spring load the ball and fire it up a curved ramp in a way that it falls onto it's original starting point, I suppose you could claim you 'looped' it. But we know it's really no different than picking it up and dropping it.
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And what you'll wind up with is a bunch of SNOT.
(Simple non-overunity toys.)
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Sniff .... Snuffle .... :-[ ..... excuse my running nose ..... :P
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And what you'll wind up with is a bunch of SNOT.
(Simple non-overunity toys.)
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lol. 'SNOTworks too
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I disagree with most people here. a perpetual motion smot is possible, just very impractical. It is proven that you can have a length of track that can provide energy to a coil as it passes, and that it can be going up (even 90degrees) whilst doing that. So I propose a smot track a mile long thats on an incline of 2degrees. along the track are pick up coils. when the ball finally reaches the end of the mile long track the pick up coils will have stored up enough energy to push the smot ball magnet out of the gate and gravity can roll it back to the starting position - to repeat - hence perpetual motion.
My definition of perpetual motion isn't as literal as some would argue, by the true definition of the word "perpetual" meaning forever, nothing in the universe is "for ever", so there for it is clearly not intended as forever, just a damn long time.
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A damn long time is a very fitting definition in my book as well. Previously I was saying there needs to be a consensus about at least a "Working term" for what constitutes perpetual. Is it a week, a life time, or 100 years....
Hell one guy, with a link from wiki was saying that no one has ever closed the loop or made a SMOT to complete not even 1 complete cycle. This is the part that got me going. I don't yet understand why it has not been done at least to that level. Let alone have the ability to reload itself and run the course again.
I think yes, eventually the N45 4inch x 1/2 x 1/2 that I have for this project will eventually lose their power. I dont think that will happen in my lifetime, but yes, it will happen at some time.
And initially, I was asking about the examples that haven't worked. So that people arent recreating things none to not work. Like the circular track on level field that no one can get the ball to reload once it does come back around.
The original ramp with the super strong magnet that pulls the ball up the ramp to fall through the hole doesn't work....But these are really the only few versions that I personally have found any information on. I have seen the spinning disks, I have seen the levitation of CD's I have seen guys with fishing line pulling the things around....
So again, my goal is not to extract some kind of surplus energy. I don't yet believe that can be done. But I think with the engery that is already "built in" to the magnets, a completed cycle can be made to work for at least 1 complete cycle if not more.
I'll get back to my design build when I get home. I'll keep posting.
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I suppose Finsrud's perpetual Motion Mobile is a working SMOT. That thing always slips my mind. Anyone ever figure out what the story is with that doohickey?
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Nope, not yet. Looks cool though. Very pretty. I'm still working out the build portion of my own design. I have the design part figured out. But I'm working out how to best bend rails to match each other. I'll probably end up with screws in a board and using it as a jig of some kind.
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Finsrud's device is powered by the big spring in the middle. A slight compression of this large spring, barely noticeable by eye, will run the machine for a week and can be reset very easily and quickly during the weekly "dusting". Most of the mechanism functions as a combination pendulum/flywheel/escapement to store and release the spring's energy to keep the ball moving around the track. Think "cuckoo clock" running on lifted weight and you won't be too far wrong.
It is not a SMOT.
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Finsrud's device is powered by the big spring in the middle. A slight compression of this large spring, barely noticeable by eye, will run the machine for a week and can be reset very easily and quickly during the weekly "dusting". Most of the mechanism functions as a combination pendulum/flywheel/escapement to store and release the spring's energy to keep the ball moving around the track. Think "cuckoo clock" running on lifted weight and you won't be too far wrong.
It is not a SMOT.
TK,
If you have studied the Finsrud device, you will see that the little spring at the top is only allowing the track
to be slightly tilted so that the steel ball can move. The Finsrud device is powered by a 40Kg weight inside the
support structure. This 40Kg weight has magnets glued on. And there are many magnets under the weight that,
together forms a chaos pendulum. The three smaller pendulums are used as a track speed controllers. The Finsrud
device is not a wind up clock. Mr. Finsrud has published some drawings of his device. You can find them here:
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=177&Itemid=70
GL.
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TK,
If you have studied the Finsrud device, you will see that the little spring at the top is only allowing the track
to be slightly tilted so that the steel ball can move. The Finsrud device is powered by a 40Kg weight inside the
support structure. This 40Kg weight has magnets glued on. And there are many magnets under the weight that,
together forms a chaos pendulum. The three smaller pendulums are used as a track speed controllers. The Finsrud
device is not a wind up clock. Mr. Finsrud has published some drawings of his device. You can find them here:
http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=177&Itemid=70 (http://www.galleri-finsrud.no/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=177&Itemid=70)
GL.
In pmd_05 you can see the spring I'm talking about. It is not a "little spring". I did not mean to imply that it is a "wind up clock" only that it is an escapement mechanism with energy storage in the pendulums. Powered by the weight, OK, it still needs to be reset periodically.
Thanks for posting the drawings.
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In pmd_05 you can see the spring I'm talking about. It is not a "little spring". I did not mean to imply that it is a "wind up clock" only that it is an escapement mechanism with energy storage in the pendulums. Powered by the weight, OK, it still needs to be reset periodically.
Thanks for posting the drawings.
TK,
>>Powered by the weight, OK, it still needs to be reset periodically
Not only the 40Kg weight, also by the fact that this 40Kg weight is a chaos pendulum because of the magnets
glued to the underside of the weight and on to the weight itself. If it was only the weight then the ball will stop in a short
time. But because of the chaos pendulum then the swing of the weight is prolonged a very long time. You only need
a very little power to move the track so that the steel ball will roll. Also the three side pendulums keep the ball speed
down so that you do not "use up" the stored momentum in the 40Kg pendulum too fast. And here is the secret to
this device AS I SEE IT (I may be wrong). The operator moves the tree outher pendulums by hand to start the device.
This will also store energy into the 40Kg large pendulum in the base of the device because the track is connected
to the large pendulum with a gear up mechanism. The release of the operator hand input is then "used up" in a very
long time because of the gear down from the large pendulum to the track, and also to the fact that a chaos pendulum
with magnets on, will prolong the swing of this pendulum. The three outer pendulums is also used to slow down the
track so that the "operator input" can be "dished" out on a longer time frame. It is my belief that this device is run
by "Mister hand". But is is a beautiful art work.
GL.
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For posterity, I took some basic pics of my design build. Just getting started though so its the base and stand offs (legs) so that I could put bolts through the base in order to hold the brackets that will be holding the magnets. This allows for some closer/further distance seperation as well as the angle for each magnet and I can also move them up and down to adjust to the track.
I have also laid out some brass rails that I'm building into the track. I'm hoping to start making some bends in the track this weekend once I get the main ramp track angle figured out.
I'll likely post the pics after I get the main ramp done.
Just figured once its done, and if my suspicions are right, someone will want to see how it was done. Or at least we can add one more failed design to the "How not to do it" database.
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TK,
>>Powered by the weight, OK, it still needs to be reset periodically
Not only the 40Kg weight, also by the fact that this 40Kg weight is a chaos pendulum because of the magnets
glued to the underside of the weight and on to the weight itself. If it was only the weight then the ball will stop in a short
time. But because of the chaos pendulum then the swing of the weight is prolonged a very long time. You only need
a very little power to move the track so that the steel ball will roll. Also the three side pendulums keep the ball speed
down so that you do not "use up" the stored momentum in the 40Kg pendulum too fast. And here is the secret to
this device AS I SEE IT (I may be wrong). The operator moves the tree outher pendulums by hand to start the device.
This will also store energy into the 40Kg large pendulum in the base of the device because the track is connected
to the large pendulum with a gear up mechanism. The release of the operator hand input is then "used up" in a very
long time because of the gear down from the large pendulum to the track, and also to the fact that a chaos pendulum
with magnets on, will prolong the swing of this pendulum. The three outer pendulums is also used to slow down the
track so that the "operator input" can be "dished" out on a longer time frame. It is my belief that this device is run
by "Mister hand". But is is a beautiful art work.
GL.
I have been at the museum and seen the machine in person. I asked Finsrud to push the ball, he did, but did not have time to really start the machine. When he pushed the ball, the pendulums started to oscillate both by the weight of the ball that arched the track slightly on its way, and the magnets attached to the pendulums and trigged by the ball as it passed by.
The three pendulums are partially connected to the track making sure the arch of the trach is slightly ahead of the ball, making the ball rolling downhill all the time.
When it comes to the center pendulum, I have no clue. If it is a chaos pendulum, it is not visible from the outside of the machine. It appeared to me that the whole system was resting on the big spring at the top together with a big lead piece.
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