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NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18330 on: October 25, 2017, 08:17:47 PM »
    Itsu, Void:
   I finished the new non dissapative snubber circuit and have it working now. Well, sort of.
   Only a few seconds after I turned on the device, my 24v, 10A PS burnt out, and stopped working. This may have been caused by the new circuit returning some current to the PS. Or maybe not, it's hard to tell, now. However, the fets do stay cooler than they had done so previously. So, at least that is one good thing. But, my voltages using only a single 100w bulb as the load were over 200v, still. That part I don't mind too much, as I wanted to keep the voltages around 200v, or so, but not much over that voltage. Adding more load, like a 200w bulb, causes the voltage readings to go even higher
 
  So, now I am using a 19v, 4.5A laptop adapter instead, to be able to keep testing the snubber and trying to search for the RM signal once again. But, even now my voltages can still go over 200v, even from the 19v input source, or a little less than that, and my scope is showing a un matched signal between one fet and the other fet.
  So, I'm still working on all this, but now without my normal power supply. Although the PS takes the input, but there is no output coming out of it. Maybe one of it's fets or output transistors has taken a beating.  And I don't know if it's worth try to fix it, or not. Any ideas on this would be welcome.
  The only real benefit that I can see by using the non dissapative snubber is that my fet are running cooler. So, I can test the device for longer running times. That's about it.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18331 on: October 25, 2017, 08:53:07 PM »
Hi Nick. Sorry to hear about your 24VDC power supply failing.
You should have some sort of low pass filter on the output of your
power supply to help protect it. This means at least a large electrolytic cap in parallel
and an inductor (choke) in series with the V+ line at the power supply output, and another
large electrolytic cap in parallel after the choke. This is called a "Pi" configuration of low pass filter.

Also, when using the kacher/tesla coil, make sure the negative terminal on the power supply
is earth grounded as well. I have found that this can help protect the power supply.
If you are already using a low pass filter on the output of your power supply, then I
am not sure why your power supply blew. Grounding the negative terminal on your
power supply or battery is a good idea I think however.

I went with the non-dissipative snubbers because they keep the switching spikes down
below Vds max for my setup, and because they don't waste as much power as RCD snubbers. 

My own take on these Akula devices is the PWM driver should not be supplying any much more power
than it takes to maintain resonance in the series resonant loop. The 'OU effect' should be
what is supplying all the excess power to the load. Therefore, if my take on this is correct,
the PWM driver should not draw even more power once you start connecting different amounts
of loads, except maybe for a relatively small increase in power dissipation by the PWM driver.
If anything, I think the loading on the PWM driver should decrease if you are hitting the OU effect.


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« Reply #18332 on: October 25, 2017, 09:02:12 PM »

Nick,

sorry to hear about that PS, i have no idea what kind of circuit it uses and why it failed, could there be a fuse inside somewhere?
Are you sure you have hooked up that non dissipative snubber circuit correctly?  Please double check.

I use a cheap 24V / 10A led PS too, but have added a fat common mode choke followed by a sturdy (900uF) electrolytic cap with some poly and ceramic caps parallel on the output.


I have no idea of what voltages (200V) you are talking about (where in the circuit), so cannot comment on that.
It could be that now with your 19V 4.5A laptop PS you have limited current flowing into your circuit and therefor the MOSFETs stay cooler.

What about some scopeshots of the gates and drains?  What do you mean by unmatched signals?

Itsu

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« Reply #18333 on: October 25, 2017, 11:03:11 PM »
  Itsu and Void:
  Ok, thanks for your comments.
  So, I opened up my PS, and found a 1/2w resistor with it's wire ends all rusty, on touching it, it broke loose from the pcb.
  I'm in the process of replacing it, to see if that is the problem, as it was really in bad shape and does not conduct, at all.

   I'll show what the signals look like when I get it all working again. The main thing is that my fets are running cooler, regardless of the spikes. That was my main concern, as I can control the spikes, but not the heating of the fets. Now the fets seam to be working better and staying within they heating limits. Better than my two previous snubbers. I do still have the RC snubbers capacitors installed but without their resistors. As suggested by Itsu, to control the ringing, but may end up reinstalling the resistors, if needed.
   I do have filters and choke, between my PS output to my yoke, TL494 and TC4420 board, as can be seen in the last images that I posted.
  The 200v plus spikes are the reading on my drains, using only a 100w bulb, but having higher voltages when using higher wattage bulbs. I don't know why that is, as it should be the other way around, normally.
   I did come across the RM signal, at one point, while testing using the laptop adapter. But, also a bit of the chaotic mode with it. Need to be able to get the RM mode without the chaotic mode. But, they seam to be partners in crime. I'm trying to separate the two, as I was able to do it before.
  I do have two 12v 7ah batteries, but one of them is being used for my Pc back up power source. I may have to pull it out of the back up unit, and try both on the device input. But, that is my last resort. First I'll try to fix the 24v PS.

  Itsu can you please test to see if you are getting any feed back current from the snubber circuit back into your PS.

  I think that what I have may just be a problem with rusty PS components, and not a problem with the snubber or the device.
 As the device seam to be working ok now, when using just the 19v adapter. But, perhaps I need to place a diode at the PS, as well. But, I don't have a diode installed now because they always got too hot.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18334 on: October 25, 2017, 11:28:29 PM »
Nick: That rust doesn't sound good. That is one problem of living right by the ocean.
Hope you can fix your power supply.

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On another topic:
I did a few calculations to determine how fast you would have to charge up
a 1 uF capacitor if you wanted to take power off it in a 'normal' way to be able
to produce 1 kW and 5 kW respectively. If I didn't make a calculation error, this
is what it works out to:

To get 1kW, you would have to be able to charge a 1uF capacitor to 1000V 2,000 times per second,
or, to say it another way, you would have to be able to charge that 1uF capacitor to 1000V in 500 microseconds.

To get 5kW, you would have to be able to charge a 1uF capacitor to 1000V 10,000 times per second,
or, to say it another way, you would have to be able to charge that 1uF capacitor to 1000V in 100 microseconds.

Obviously that is not going to be an easy task to accomplish with just a PWM driver and a kacher driver
and a total input power of 100W or so or less.  ;D Something completely different has to be going on...

Another way to look at this is:
To power 5000W with 120V output voltage across your load, would mean a load current of 41.7 Amps.
To power 5000W with 220V output voltage across your load, would mean a load current of 22.7 Amps.

Just some things to consider... :)


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« Reply #18335 on: October 26, 2017, 01:27:43 AM »
Are any of you aware of a statement of Tesla saying any thing Electrical or Electronic has electron losses and cant possible produce any excess energy and this also applies to HF Frequency re his published experiments and also Peter Linderman some years ago said only mechanics can produce excess energy ;) es ist gut ja ;D ;D 8) 8)

This might need some thinking about.

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« Reply #18336 on: October 26, 2017, 05:12:30 AM »
Hello people
I want to report to you something I have found.
1. find the resonant frequency
2. Reduce the duty cycle until you find a very low sound, something similar to that which is frying chicken. In the jiro is very sharp, rotate slowly (remember to start with duty cicle near at least 40%) avoid heating.
3. When you find this sound, leave it there, turn on the kacher. And you. you will see a small effect, that when you pass the hand over the circuit, you will see how the voltage and the whole system is affected. I found a voltage increase of 50 volts up to 70 and 108 volts, try to do this test and tell me what you think.
this is the screen shown in the gates
in the D there is a lot of noise

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« Reply #18337 on: October 26, 2017, 10:36:34 AM »

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Itsu and Void:
  Ok, thanks for your comments.
  So, I opened up my PS, and found a 1/2w resistor with it's wire ends all rusty, on touching it, it broke loose from the pcb.
  I'm in the process of replacing it, to see if that is the problem, as it was really in bad shape and does not conduct, at all.

   I'll show what the signals look like when I get it all working again. The main thing is that my fets are running cooler, regardless of the spikes. That was my main concern, as I can control the spikes, but not the heating of the fets. Now the fets seam to be working better and staying within they heating limits. Better than my two previous snubbers. I do still have the RC snubbers capacitors installed but without their resistors. As suggested by Itsu, to control the ringing, but may end up reinstalling the resistors, if needed.
   I do have filters and choke, between my PS output to my yoke, TL494 and TC4420 board, as can be seen in the last images that I posted.
  The 200v plus spikes are the reading on my drains, using only a 100w bulb, but having higher voltages when using higher wattage bulbs. I don't know why that is, as it should be the other way around, normally.
   I did come across the RM signal, at one point, while testing using the laptop adapter. But, also a bit of the chaotic mode with it. Need to be able to get the RM mode without the chaotic mode. But, they seam to be partners in crime. I'm trying to separate the two, as I was able to do it before.
  I do have two 12v 7ah batteries, but one of them is being used for my Pc back up power source. I may have to pull it out of the back up unit, and try both on the device input. But, that is my last resort. First I'll try to fix the 24v PS.

  Itsu can you please test to see if you are getting any feed back current from the snubber circuit back into your PS.

  I think that what I have may just be a problem with rusty PS components, and not a problem with the snubber or the device.
 As the device seam to be working ok now, when using just the 19v adapter. But, perhaps I need to place a diode at the PS, as well. But, I don't have a diode installed now because they always got too hot.



Nick,

ok,  so (hopefully) it was coincidence that your PS broke down.

I will see if i can check for current being returned to the PS, need to modify the connection a bit.
Guess it will show current, but that is the whole point of this snubber circuit and the PS with its capacitors should be able to handle that.

Itsu

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« Reply #18338 on: October 26, 2017, 10:38:33 AM »

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Hello people
I want to report to you something I have found.
1. find the resonant frequency
2. Reduce the duty cycle until you find a very low sound, something similar to that which is frying chicken. In the jiro is very sharp, rotate slowly (remember to start with duty cicle near at least 40%) avoid heating.
3. When you find this sound, leave it there, turn on the kacher. And you. you will see a small effect, that when you pass the hand over the circuit, you will see how the voltage and the whole system is affected. I found a voltage increase of 50 volts up to 70 and 108 volts, try to do this test and tell me what you think.
this is the screen shown in the gates
in the D there is a lot of noise



Soliman,

thanks for the info.

As i have no kacher i cannot check this, but perhaps others can.

I see you have different duty cycle values for your gate signals (26.1% and 34.4%), probably because you can independently delay them via your TC4093 chip.
Be aware that probably nobody else here can do that.


Itsu

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« Reply #18339 on: October 26, 2017, 12:48:39 PM »

Soliman,

thanks for the info.

As i have no kacher i cannot check this, but perhaps others can.

I see you have different duty cycle values for your gate signals (26.1% and 34.4%), probably because you can independently delay them via your TC4093 chip.
Be aware that probably nobody else here can do that.


Itsu
A simple way of correcting this would be to add a 503 20 turn trimer between the TL494 output pin (one on each side and the input your buffer driver  (if it's a Schmitt input) and a 222 ceramic cap also on the input to zero volts common you should then be able to get your new pulse width value. It is done like this on the Alex Sergey circuit. but his driver is the IR210 witch also has this input.

AG

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« Reply #18340 on: October 26, 2017, 04:16:48 PM »
   What's the point of having or using two different duty cycle controllers. He is not showing it self running, nor OU, as yet.
 
   Anyways, I tried soliman's way of tuning my device last night, and was able to get the RM signal back, and also the partial heating of one of my fets at the same time as the RM. This was while using the laptop adapter, at 20v, with drain voltages of less that 200v, although I can jack it up to over that, also. But, the RM comes and goes, and is still hard to find, and harder to maintain it where it works best. I made a short video of it, but before I was done making the video the HV caused my camera to turn off. Therefore, the cutoff ending on the video. I'll post that video a bit later, as I still have not uploaded it to YT, as it was 12pm when I made it last night.  It's a good time to work on this stuff as there are no distraction and it's very quite.
However, my drain voltages were fairly steady, and did not go up by 50 to 100v at all. I suppose that's it the drain voltages or output voltages that he's talking about, not the gate voltage that he posted which can't go any higher that 18v.

   soliman: Please show your drain voltages at the time of resonance, showing the voltages raising by 50v, or more. We need to see what that drain signal looks like at that time, as well. A short video would be even better.

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« Reply #18341 on: October 26, 2017, 04:37:21 PM »
Hello people
I want to report to you something I have found.
1. find the resonant frequency
2. Reduce the duty cycle until you find a very low sound, something similar to that which is frying chicken. In the jiro is very sharp, rotate slowly (remember to start with duty cicle near at least 40%) avoid heating.
3. When you find this sound, leave it there, turn on the kacher. And you. you will see a small effect, that when you pass the hand over the circuit, you will see how the voltage and the whole system is affected. I found a voltage increase of 50 volts up to 70 and 108 volts, try to do this test and tell me what you think.
this is the screen shown in the gates
in the D there is a lot of noise

Spacial Electromagnetic distribution in Near Field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field
changes due to magnetic, diamagnetic, paramagnetic bodies  in near field. https://nationalmaglab.org/education/magnet-academy/watch-play/interactive/diamagnetism-and-paramagnetism
Please note   we are talking about changes  or motion   here . After change is made  the new  altered  form of Spacial Electromagnetic distribution in Near Field is  observed .

Human body   has  capacitive properties ( e.g electrostatic discharges and  accumulation)
In 3D space we can change  properties of impedance in any charged body  or circuit  by motion = rate of change  https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10832-007-9376-z
We can measure any state of time frame change  and its new form.

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3. When you find this sound, leave it there, turn on the kacher. And you. you will see a small effect, that when you pass the hand over the circuit, you will see how the voltage and the whole system is affected. I found a voltage increase of 50 volts up to 70 and 108 volts,
Dependency between current and voltage stands about power. http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm

The  output power can not!! be  higher than input  power delivered   , and if it is than  we entering into forbidden state,  violation of  laws of thermodynamics .
 e.g "transformations are so statistically unlikely that they are effectivelyforbidden" https://arxiv.org/abs/1305.5278 , https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/217792/how-does-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-forbid-the-possibility-of-perpetual-ma

However in 3D space we may expect energy conversion environmentally   dependent  in means  of interaction with 3D space mechanisms of nature .

What I found interesting  here  is sound (the longitudinal wave.LW) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave
Sound is responsible for sonoluminescence ( at temperatures 10 times higher  than the surface of the sun. But sound caused by electromagnetic field of the coil is now for us
the direct conversion of quantum physics based phenomena to classical physics processes.  And now we feel comfortable  knowing that  different media can interact  with
LW
and  cause not only change (in length with elasticity) of  e.g ferrite but  possibly change of temperature due to  trapped cavities and its content.


By that we conclude changes of  impedance in 3D space when " you pass the hand over the circuit"
Secret of  Russian  Ferrite  made me to spend "tons of money" on scientific laboratory base
All of
the so called successful copies of  TK device ( SR, Akula, Ruslan...etc.) have  characteristic sound coming from ferrite  ( and/or vibrating in 3D space  coils/structures due to electromagnetic excitation).
Does it ring the bell?

Wesley

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« Reply #18342 on: October 26, 2017, 04:59:28 PM »
  Wesley:
  You mentioned: "All of the so called successful copies of  TK device ( SR, Akula, Ruslan...etc.) have  characteristic sound coming from ferrite  ( and/or vibrating in 3D space  coils/structures due to electromagnetic excitation).
Does it ring the bell?"
                       end quote.

    What "bell" ???
   That is not what I've seen on Ruslan's devices, nor on Akulas devices. NO bell ringing sound heard when self running.
Passing ones hand by the antenna coils negatively affects the tuning, if the device is really in it best resonant point.
IF it's not, then hand movement can improve the output to be closer to its best resonant point. That's what I see...

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« Reply #18343 on: October 26, 2017, 05:04:17 PM »
  Wesley:
  You mentioned: "All of the so called successful copies of  TK device ( SR, Akula, Ruslan...etc.) have  characteristic sound coming from ferrite  ( and/or vibrating in 3D space  coils/structures due to electromagnetic excitation).
Does it ring the bell?"
                       end quote.

    What "bell" ???
   That is not what I've seen on Ruslan's devices, nor on Akulas devices. NO bell ringing sound heard when self running.
Bell  means expression https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/ring+a+bell
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ring a bellFig. [for  something]  to  cause  someone  to  remember  something  or  for  it  to  seem  familiar. I've never met John Franklin, but his name rings a bell. Whenever I see a bee, it rings a bell. I remember when I was stung by one.

Wesley

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« Reply #18344 on: October 26, 2017, 05:04:56 PM »
Well, since you mention Akula and acoustic vibrations in the core.... You may find this interesting.

Notice that when tuning Akula devices you must look for the "shark" waveform....    ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXHEapTS0TE