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Gwandau

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Arno Werners' gravity engine
« on: March 24, 2012, 03:36:49 AM »
Hi everybody,
 
This is about a gravity machine built and successfully run by the Swedish inventor Arno Werner
who suddenly and unexpected died in the midst of his project 1999.
 
That same year he had just initiated negotiations with a German investor for a big scale prototype.
 
I got to know about him 1986 when I wathced a TV documentary about his gravity engine.
Some days later an article was published in one of our newspapers, but that's about all anybody know about his work.
 
About ten years ago I decided to go visit him, and tried to contact him through the University
of Lund where he worked, but got the sad information that he died 1999.

 
Since there have been shown an interest in this device by members of this forum after I mentioned about it in another thread,
I have decided to publish whatever I know about Arno Werners gravity machine, which he actually had running for several years in his house.
 
1986 he had been working with the realization of his ideas in about 15 years before finally having developed a functional prototype.
 
It took him almost ten more years to get anybody interested in his invention, ten years of getting ridiculed by the Swedish scientific community,
and even the guy from the Institute of Technological Developement who visited Arno Werner, was ridiculed for going there in the first place.
 
They saw his gravity engine run, but since his device was conflicting with the "Laws of Nature", it just could not be for real. So nobody really did
any serious tests or measurements of the device in action, and Arno Werner was becoming pariah in the academic world of Sweden.
 
 
Below is a description of the three systems that interacts with each other, resulting in the excess output.

1. The Pneumatic System.
 
   It consists of an elastic rotor made of plastic.
   The rotor, which is the only moving part of the engine,
   is hollow and filled with pressurized air.
 
2. The Hydraulic System.
 
   It consists of a water chamber which encases part of the rotor.
   The effect of gravity upon the water causes the rotor to compress,
   getting deformed.
 
3. The Mechanical System.
 
   It consists of two fixed rails configured so the rotor can move
   through two portals.
 

As we know does the principle of Archimedes work upon a body that is lowered into a liquid.
The body is pressed upward with a force corresponding to the weight of the displaced liquid.
 
The hydraulic force that act upon the rotor (clockwise in the sketch below) is consequently
dependent upon the volume of the part of the rotor that is within the water chamber.
 
The point here is that it creates a deformation of the rotor, a decrease of volume due to the
weight of the water acting upon it.
 
This deformation removes part of the upwardly oriented force that is created by the Archimedes' principle.
The weight of the water causes the lower part of the rotor being compressed partly even outside the water chamber.
 
It expands however because of the inner air pressure of the rotor. This makes the rotor press against the
rail system. Due to the deformation of the rotor, a resultant mechanical force is pointed in the opposite direction
of the hydraulic force.(counter-clockwise in the sketch below)
 
The mechanical power is directly dependent upon the the height of the water column.
When the proportions are exactly correct, the mechanical force will be bigger than the hydraulic.
 
The result is that the rotor starts to rotate, and since the pressure within all parts of the motor stays the same,
the rotor will rotate in a steady continous movement.
 
To enhance the output, Arno Werner had placed the mechanical system in a negative pressure, at the same time
letting the water chamber be exposed to an over pressure from an connected air chamber. This way one may decrease
the diameter of the rotor to about 2,5 meters.
 
But these enhancing over- and underpressure parameters of the chambers are not neccessary to create a rotational force,
but then you are bound to a rotor diameter of at least 4 meters.
 

The photo below  of Arno Werner posing in his prototype room is the only one I got, and it only shows the water column
part, but since I believe this is possibly the today only existing photo of the inventor in his workshop, I thought that
I might as well post it.
 
The sketch below is a schematic description of the function of the gravity machine taken from a Swedish newspaper article
and I have only translated the text into english, the rest is left in its original shape.
 
Gwandau
 

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 01:29:23 PM »
Gwandau,
 
On your attached drawing of the wheel, everything seems identical on the left side compared to the right side except that there is water only on the left side, so may be the chamber deformation should not be symetrical on left and on right.
 
I have not yet figured how it works, but I am open. need to print the drawing
 
Dennis

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 03:12:19 PM »
Hi everybody,
 
This is about a gravity machine built and successfully run by the Swedish inventor Arno Werner
who suddenly and unexpected died in the midst of his project 1999.
 
That same year he had just initiated negotiations with a German investor for a big scale prototype.
 
I got to know about him 1986 when I wathced a TV documentary about his gravity engine.
Some days later an article was published in one of our newspapers, but that's about all anybody know about his work.
 
About ten years ago I decided to go visit him, and tried to contact him through the University
of Lund where he worked, but got the sad information that he died 1999.

 
Since there have been shown an interest in this device by members of this forum after I mentioned about it in another thread,
I have decided to publish whatever I know about Arno Werners gravity machine, which he actually had running for several years in his house.
 
1986 he had been working with the realization of his ideas in about 15 years before finally having developed a functional prototype.
 
It took him almost ten more years to get anybody interested in his invention, ten years of getting ridiculed by the Swedish scientific community,
and even the guy from the Institute of Technological Developement who visited Arno Werner, was ridiculed for going there in the first place.
 
They saw his gravity engine run, but since his device was conflicting with the "Laws of Nature", it just could not be for real. So nobody really did
any serious tests or measurements of the device in action, and Arno Werner was becoming pariah in the academic world of Sweden.
 
 
Below is a description of the three systems that interacts with each other, resulting in the excess output.

1. The Pneumatic System.
 
   It consists of an elastic rotor made of plastic.
   The rotor, which is the only moving part of the engine,
   is hollow and filled with pressurized air.
 
2. The Hydraulic System.
 
   It consists of a water chamber which encases part of the rotor.
   The effect of gravity upon the water causes the rotor to compress,
   getting deformed.
 
3. The Mechanical System.
 
   It consists of two fixed rails configured so the rotor can move
   through two portals.
 

As we know does the principle of Archimedes work upon a body that is lowered into a liquid.
The body is pressed upward with a force corresponding to the weight of the displaced liquid.
 
The hydraulic force that act upon the rotor (clockwise in the sketch below) is consequently
dependent upon the volume of the part of the rotor that is within the water chamber.
 
The point here is that it creates a deformation of the rotor, a decrease of volume due to the
weight of the water acting upon it.
 
This deformation removes part of the upwardly oriented force that is created by the Archimedes' principle.
The weight of the water causes the lower part of the rotor being compressed partly even outside the water chamber.
 
It expands however because of the inner air pressure of the rotor. This makes the rotor press against the
rail system. Due to the deformation of the rotor, a resultant mechanical force is pointed in the opposite direction
of the hydraulic force.(counter-clockwise in the sketch below)
 
The mechanical power is directly dependent upon the the height of the water column.
When the proportions are exactly correct, the mechanical force will be bigger than the hydraulic.
 
The result is that the rotor starts to rotate, and since the pressure within all parts of the motor stays the same,
the rotor will rotate in a steady continous movement.
 
To enhance the output, Arno Werner had placed the mechanical system in a negative pressure, at the same time
letting the water chamber be exposed to an over pressure from an connected air chamber. This way one may decrease
the diameter of the rotor to about 2,5 meters.
 
But these enhancing over- and underpressure parameters of the chambers are not neccessary to create a rotational force,
but then you are bound to a rotor diameter of at least 4 meters.
 

The photo below  of Arno Werner posing in his prototype room is the only one I got, and it only shows the water column
part, but since I believe this is possibly the today only existing photo of the inventor in his workshop, I thought that
I might as well post it.
 
The sketch below is a schematic description of the function of the gravity machine taken from a Swedish newspaper article
and I have only translated the text into english, the rest is left in its original shape.
 
Gwandau

   Gwandau,
 I hope you don't mind but I believe I understand the basic mechanism that would have allowed Arno's invention to work.
The inner chamber has mass (duh!) and when it leans to the left, the water column becomes higher. But because it moves closer to the center of gravity of the inner chamber, the inner chamber rocks back to the right. The water column drops in height gaining more force and causes an over balance to the left. Do believe it possible. Think gyro scope.
 Is there any information of how the inner and outer chambers were constructed ?
 
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edited to correct grammar/spelling
edited to add; if you look @ 90degrees to the right of top center (3 o'clock), what's the need for a liquid seal unless the static head of the water and it's movement is that much ?

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 07:41:24 PM »
  @All,
 This is a basic thought on how Arno's inner chambers might have worked. If you split a sphere and seperate it at the top, you have the outer chambers.
 And when the inner chambers tilts to one side, it can pump the water or fluid up and over the top. A vacuum chamber in the lower right could limit the travel of the water allowing for a quicker rocking motion.
 As for the elastic tube that generates the power, it would need alternately air filled and water filled? compartments. This would allow the tilting chamber to push it in one direction.
 By trying to compress a water filled compartment, the elastic tube would move so that an air filled or empty compartment is underneath it.
 The mechanics of a clock might have been simpler to modify for this type of device.
 Kind of makes me think of what Bessler did with his work and why. It was one way to get back at the antagonists.
 By the way, with a bit larger diameter, the gap between the solid parts of the inner and out chambers can be less. This means less movement of the inner chambers corresponds to more potential movement of fluid. Not much different than what I've been working on and have been ridiculed for. Of course, I am from Dayton, Ohio, home of the Wright Brothers and know full well what they had to tolerate  :)
 
edited to add; oops, forgot to add the pic  ;)

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 11:22:55 PM »

   Gwandau,
 I hope you don't mind but I believe I understand the basic mechanism that would have allowed Arno's invention to work.
The inner chamber has mass (duh!) and when it leans to the left, the water column becomes higher. But because it moves closer to the center of gravity of the inner chamber, the inner chamber rocks back to the right. The water column drops in height gaining more force and causes an over balance to the left. Do believe it possible. Think gyro scope.
 Is there any information of how the inner and outer chambers were constructed ?
 
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@Jim,

there are no inner or outer chambers, just the transmission of the gas-filled flexibel rotor from the high pressure chamber into the vaccum chamber.
The whole idea is very simple, to let gravity do the job to compress the gas and the shape of the rotor, and thus enable it to deliver mechanical energy
when entering the low pressure chamber were it re-expands and thus creates mechanical torque.
 
When the rotor thereafter re-enters the water chamber and there gradually re-compress the shape of the rotor by letting gravity do the job,
the circle is complete, and you got rotational torque. This is what Arno Werner meant when he said he was tapping the gravitation.
 
Gwandau

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 01:24:50 PM »

@Jim,

there are no inner or outer chambers, just the transmission of the gas-filled flexibel rotor from the high pressure chamber into the vaccum chamber.
The whole idea is very simple, to let gravity do the job to compress the gas and the shape of the rotor, and thus enable it to deliver mechanical energy
when entering the low pressure chamber were it re-expands and thus creates mechanical torque.
 
When the rotor thereafter re-enters the water chamber and there gradually re-compress the shape of the rotor by letting gravity do the job,
the circle is complete, and you got rotational torque. This is what Arno Werner meant when he said he was tapping the gravitation.
 
Gwandau

   Gwandau,
 What you're reffering to is something similar to refrigeration. What I do not understand is how the flex tube is moved into an area where it would be compressed. The expansion on the right side would not have the extra energy needed to move uncompressed gas into a compression chamber. If the inner chamber moved, then maybe.

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 08:52:46 PM »
   Gwandau,
 What you're reffering to is something similar to refrigeration. What I do not understand is how the flex tube is moved into an area where it would be compressed. The expansion on the right side would not have the extra energy needed to move uncompressed gas into a compression chamber. If the inner chamber moved, then maybe.

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Jim,
 
There is no need for any extra energy at this stage, since there is no movement of uncompressed gas into a compressed area. 
The gas pressure is always the same anywhere within the tube, since it is one single continuous tube.
 
Now, if the flexible tube (aka rotor) contains a uniform gas pressure throughout the whole tube, the only differential created
is the relative differential between the uniform gas pressure of the tube and the pressure present in the surrounding chamber.
 
It is this differential that makes the tube expand or retract during its movement around through the different chambers,
and it is this very expansion of the tube that does the trick in harvesting mechanical energy by tapping it from gravity.
 
When the tube is within a chamber with a lower pressure than the pressure within the tube, the tube expands, generating mechanical force,
and when the tube is moving over into the air/water chamber, the tube starts to shrink in shape when going deeper into the water,
due to the increasing pressure caused by gravity.
 
Gwandau
 

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 01:08:19 AM »

Jim,
 
There is no need for any extra energy at this stage, since there is no movement of uncompressed gas into a compressed area. 
The gas pressure is always the same anywhere within the tube, since it is one single continuous tube.
 
Now, if the flexible tube (aka rotor) contains a uniform gas pressure throughout the whole tube, the only differential created
is the relative differential between the uniform gas pressure of the tube and the pressure present in the surrounding chamber.
 
It is this differential that makes the tube expand or retract during its movement around through the different chambers,
and it is this very expansion of the tube that does the trick in harvesting mechanical energy by tapping it from gravity.
 
When the tube is within a chamber with a lower pressure than the pressure within the tube, the tube expands, generating mechanical force,
and when the tube is moving over into the air/water chamber, the tube starts to shrink in shape when going deeper into the water,
due to the increasing pressure caused by gravity.
 
Gwandau

  I just wonder about the one statement where he said it generates more energy than it uses.

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Re: Arno Werners' gravity engine
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 09:25:39 PM »
Jim,
 
I agree with you, this remark by Arno Werner is puzzling me a bit, and I actualy do not know any more about his device than you do by reading my post.,
since this is all the information I got about this fellow.  Maybe his comment in the photo was referring to an earlier vertical prototype that he constructed to prove his ideas initially.
 
The column seen in the photo actually looks more like a vertical test model than anything in connection with a circular construct,
and the photo of him actually looks like it is taken several years earlier than the tv documentary about him that I watched, where he looked quite different.
 
I am definitely not taking any standpoint here for or against the validity of Arno Werners ideas. I just felt it seemed worth the effort to present what I knew about him,
since this may help anyone experimenting in this direction.
 
Gwandau

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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 06:53:34 PM »
Jim,
 
I agree with you, this remark by Arno Werner is puzzling me a bit, and I actualy do not know any more about his device than you do by reading my post.,
since this is all the information I got about this fellow.  Maybe his comment in the photo was referring to an earlier vertical prototype that he constructed to prove his ideas initially.
 
The column seen in the photo actually looks more like a vertical test model than anything in connection with a circular construct,
and the photo of him actually looks like it is taken several years earlier than the tv documentary about him that I watched, where he looked quite different.
 
I am definitely not taking any standpoint here for or against the validity of Arno Werners ideas. I just felt it seemed worth the effort to present what I knew about him,
since this may help anyone experimenting in this direction.
 
Gwandau

   Gwandau,
 It is something worth considering. It might be something like using waves in the sea. Those people use tension on a band to generate electricity. And something like what a jig saw uses in moving it's blade up and down could give an elastic band the same motion.

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