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Author Topic: ZPE Battery Research IV  (Read 20588 times)

Offline skywatcher

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2019, 04:04:02 PM »
Great News :

It has turned out that my playdoh mixture of floor \ salt \ water \ food colors works as selfcharging electret !!

No. It's an electrolyte, not an electret.



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I discovered when the battery was disconnected it slowly recharged back to full capacity !!

Usally i have the battery always connected to the digital multimeter !!

Your battery has such a poor performance that it can not even deliver enough current for the multimeter (which normally has > 10 MOhm).
This means, that your multimeter is more or less a 'short circuit' for your battery.

I still don't get what is the goal of your experiments. Everything you have described in this thread is 100% explainable with galvanic effects.
If you use 2 different metals and something (more or less) conductive between them, you will always get some voltage.

There is no 'zero point energy' involved. Not at all.


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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2019, 04:04:02 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: December 04, 2019, 04:40:24 PM »
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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM »
Well an electrolyte is not the same as electret :

I know.   :)

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Explaination about electret :

An electret has a permanent electric field just like a magnet have a permanent magnetic field !!

An electret works several years !!
 
Playdoh Clay is made of polymers (Polymers can work as electret)

Wiki Article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Electrets are very special mixtures of polymers, which can build up a permanent electric field (like a permanent magnet has a magnetic field).
But it's not possible to extract any useful energy out of this static electric field.

According to Wikipedia Play-Doh is composed of flour, water, salt, borax, and mineral oil.
(i wonder why they are putting borax into stuff children are playing with, borax is toxic)

That's not even a polymer, and it's absolutely no electret. Not even close.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #92 on: December 04, 2019, 04:51:47 PM »
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Offline Fysikk

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #93 on: December 04, 2019, 05:01:03 PM »
The information online about playdoh clay based on polymers was wrong !!

There have to be other explainations to my cell recharging when it is disconnected !!!

Things goes after plan - The plans to make a selfcharging mobile is beyound Schedule !!!

According to plan - Mobile will charge up when it is turned off !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

Offline skywatcher

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #94 on: December 04, 2019, 05:11:50 PM »
Your cell is not recharging, it's recovering. The same effect can be seen with any battery. If you draw more current than the cell can deliver it's voltage will go down, and if you remove the load the voltage is coming back (more or less). The internal resistance of your cell is so high that it can not even deliver enough current for your multimeter (which only needs fractions of a micro-amp) so the voltage goes down when you connect the multimeter. When you disconnect it, the voltage is slowly coming back. This is absolutely normal behaviour for a high-resistance galvanic cell.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #95 on: December 04, 2019, 05:49:04 PM »
Fysikk , listen to what skywatcher is telling you. It is to be expected of most any battery. One of your goals is to minimize the internal resistance.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #96 on: December 04, 2019, 06:53:38 PM »
Neither of Kajunbee or Skywather know the internal resistance of my battery cell !!

I measured the resistance - 1.3 ohm

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

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Offline skywatcher

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #97 on: December 04, 2019, 07:13:21 PM »
I measured the resistance - 1.3 ohm
You have measured the resistance of the electrolyte, but this is not what i mean. If the internal resistance would really be so low then you would be able to draw significant power from the cell, which is obviously not the case. If you measure the voltage of the cell with a multimeter, and then you short the cell with a resistor (let's say 10 kOhm) and measure again, you will see a significant voltage drop when the resistor is connected. If your cell would have only 1.3 ohm a parallel 10 kOhm resistor would have almost no effect. You can do the same experiment on a normal battery to cross-check.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2019, 05:14:02 PM »
I'm not sure how you managed 1.3 ohm resistance with the play doh concoction. I tried several different ratios of salt and other ingredients. The resistance measurements were low while the dough was warm. But then increased to .9 to 1.5 kilo ohms as it cooled. I found that it didn't perform as well as the damp paper towel separators that I use. If anyone can suggest a better separator material it would be much appreciated.

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2019, 05:14:02 PM »
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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2019, 11:13:26 PM »
I have found a way to increase amperage :

After i putted a ferrite magnet inside the playdoh - i looked at the
digital multimeter and the amperage is rising steadily !!

Update - Explaination found :

Battery charged up the magnet inside the playdoh clay !! (First Experiment)

So when reusing the charged up magnet - there will be no increase in amps !! (Second Experiment)

Magnet is made of ferrite oxide which is a dielectric material !!

I made a hybrid battery\capacitor !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold
« Last Edit: Today at 05:52:46 AM by Fysikk »

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #100 on: Today at 02:52:13 AM »
What color is the play dough?


and ask because the product is literally salt... and dough
and a colorant (some of which are metallic, each color having different metal)

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Re: ZPE Battery Research IV
« Reply #100 on: Today at 02:52:13 AM »
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