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Author Topic: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on  (Read 19936 times)

Spirality

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2012, 12:34:07 PM »
If Lenz's Law works for copper pipe, then you should try short copper pipe lengths (closed electrical loop) to house your fixed magnets in ;)

I never had much faith in mechanical perpetual machines. The more complex they are, the more energy is lost in friction, noise, grinding, etc. I hope someone gets one working though.

avalon

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 05:15:25 PM »
I would be really surprised if this actually worked.
IMHO, the design is not that far away from other known (and failed) setups.

Yes, you can add a magnetic shield and reduce the pulling force of the sticky spot by 60% but at he same time the shield will change the pushing force (after the sticky spot) as well. The end result is that the system will simply find another resting point away from the original one but still won't work.

I based this on my experiments magnetic V-track(s) like the one on the attached picture. To overcome the sticky spot I have tried every known technique [angled magnets, mag shields, mu-metals, etc]. Sadly, no positive results to report.

I am not trying to discourage. My comments are only to help to avoid known deadends.

TinselKoala

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 10:49:56 PM »
Who cares if it works.... it's _beautiful_ !

Very nice indeed. Thumbs up.
 :)


avalon

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2012, 07:10:11 PM »
Who cares if it works.... it's _beautiful_ !
Very nice indeed. Thumbs up.
 :)

Thank you. However, it didn't work as I had hopped.

The gears are to connect to other 4 cylinders like this one except that they don't have a V-track but have a long magnet instead made by stacking 6 small magnets.

With the V-tack cylinder in the centre and 4 long magnet cylinders around it I'd hoped to find a timing spot for the gears where a sticky spot for one of the long magnet cylinders would be overcome by the combined power of the remaining 3. Furthermore, because they all rotate synchronously all sticky spots for every long magnet would no longer be a problem.

Since I made this I've found several timing positions for the gears where I was very close to have a self-rotating unit. However, I still don't have one.
Every time the system finds another resting place, different from the previous one.

Makes a nice toy to play with, though.

Spirality

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2012, 07:58:53 AM »
I tried out some magnets in copper pipe, as I suggested before, but they still interact through the copper. Perhaps you could fix on some steel plating in strategic positions near your magnets? Just to absorb the sticky spot. Maybe try something cheap at first, like small steel brackets or hinges, fixed on with a small strip of aluminium or plastic.

As the thickness of the steel plate increases, so does the "absorption" of the magnetism, and the magnetic effect is "steered" towards it.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials

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What material will work?
The short answer is: Any ferromagnetic metal. That is, anything containing iron, nickel or cobalt. Most steels are ferromagnetic metals, and work well for a redirecting shield....
....there are some specialized materials specifically made for magnetic shielding. The foremost of these is MuMetal, an industry reference material defined in Milspec 14411C [linked on page].

Gwandau

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Re: Laugh at me or join me. My Magnetic motor that I spent 10 grand on
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2012, 02:45:35 AM »
Catdog71,
 
First of all, do not be affected by conservative minds trying to impose unfounded negativism.  We know too little about the electromagnetic field to be able to postulate any dogmatic "does not work". The idea of the magnetic field as a conservative field is just as unfounded as the same conclusion of the gravitational field. We really dont know if these are even primary force fields. Maybe they are mere secondary responses to the condition of a single all encompassing field.
We know a lot today how to use the electromagnetic field, but we still don't know what makes a piece of iron attracted to a magnet.
 
If you want to succeed to pass the so called sticky point apparent in your construct, you have to take several things into consideration. The solution is unfortunately not as simple as merely shielding the magnetic field. You have to deal with certain parameters inherent in the polar interdependence of magnets.
 
Theoretically it is fully possible to create a rerouted shortcut behind a multilayer shield system which makes the unwanted pole hidden from outer field detection. There is nothing wrong scientifically with such a theory. But to realize this in practicality is quite another story, calling for an extensive understanding of the field geometry involved in the actual case.
 
I am myself dedicated to a project quite closely related to your problem, and it all points towards the combination of an insulated multilayer system of conductive and diamagnetic materials, shaped in order to reroute the field exposure of the unwanted pole influence into a loop within a container. This is probably the only way to do it, since any attempts to directly suppress or shield a magnetic field polarity only results in a repositioning of the pole expression.
 
Don't forget that the north and south field of a magnet always are connected and that the field strength of the poles are interdependent and unseparable.
 
Have you tried to incorporate materials with diamagnetic properties?
 
A diamagnetic material when subjected to a magnetic field react by creating an opposing field.
 
The most diamagnetic of all known materials is the man made so called pyrolitic graphite. It creates enough counterfield strength to float above a neodynium magnet. But pyrolitic graphite alone will not do the trick even if you use thick layers of this expensive material, since you cannot supress the magnetic field, only work with it.
 
So if there is a way to create a vector oriented dis-equilibrium in the field strength geometry between the two poles of a magnet, it is bound to be through the geometric redesign of the magnetic field vectors in such a way that the unwanted part of the magnetic field is rerouted through a shortcut into a contained loop.
 
As I said, this is fully possible seen from the theoretical scientific point of view, and containers that completely keeps out magnetic fields, including the magnetic field of earth, are well known in the scientific community, and employed in research where no electromagnetic interference is allowed. What makes things complicated is when you are attempting to alter the detectable visibility of the nagnetic field polarity.
 
So don't give up too easy. Just keep in mind that altering the geometry of polarity-visibility is a field of knowledge where you are bound to gain a thorough understanding of the field geometry specific for the case in question. Start by bying one of those cheap three dimensional compasses used for educational purposes, they will suffice well in giving you an initial view of the field orientation.
 
http://www.indigo.com/magnets/magnaprobe-magnetic-field-direction.html
 
I also recommend you to gain further insight in the electromagnetic field dimension.
 
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/MagneticMatls.htm
 
Then the rest is just a lot of trial and error.


Gwandau