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Author Topic: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2  (Read 231343 times)

Offline oddballs

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2006, 04:37:10 AM »
The recent rotor image revealed the stator magnets are incrementally pushed back inline with the rotor magnet. Thus the stator magnets form a 'cork screw'. Note each stator magnet has the same relative postion to another except for when the stator magnet is pushed up to form the gap. Therefore this is the only position where energy is required - apart from frictional losses. Unfortunetly FEMM can't simulate these forces.
Since the stator magnets are positioned in a 'cork screw' the 40 MGOe (energy product) in each stator magnet is not necessarily available to act on the rotor. This is reasoned by the fact that we assume a lifted stator magnet contributes zero force - probably not the case. The attached simulation has the stator magnets MGOe values incrementally reduced from 40 MGOe to 3.3 MGOe (fully lifted magnet) The torque is still 3 Nm at the position where the following stator magnet is about to be lifted. In the previous 15? of movement the torque was greater than 1.5 Nm. Therefore the motor is a self runner if the lifting of the stator magnet is <3 Nm.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2006, 04:07:05 PM »
sorry if the question is to  :'( but, the are is any material capable to stop or reflect the magnetics lines of force.  ???


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2006, 06:06:26 PM »
did anybody known where a can get a 3d design of torbay patent. I'm looking to reproduce the original design but I had some problens traying to understand the mechanics.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2006, 07:03:33 PM »
Hi all:
        "Are you pondering what I'm pondering pinky?"......guys is my first post though I've known about you Stefan for a long while trough other forums like Hameltech. So I congratulate you on your record keeping abilities and efforts for all this very inspiring and useful theories.
 So we have a selfrunner ,but I'm  not quite sure about selling power back to the electrical companies here in the USA.
 is that possible ,would they allow it??....I would build a generator in my  apt. and not let them know. so this Megapower companies would not control the proliferation of free energy  .What's your take at it??

Imagine cops searching in our cars now for hidden free energy generators arguing is too much freedom in a terrorism fear ridden society, and they deciding the generators are not safe for "civilian" use . Gas is up to the roof , and shouldn't be that way!! a war has been fought and lots of lives lost in the name of oil , was it worth it? . Thank god for the free energy device if it really works.
 Can somebody tell me:
 in the stator (180 degree angled magnet)  all the side view is North pole?? ,

in any case a ceramic donut magnet from speakers cut in half would do the trick??. I looked around but I think is not even mentioned in the patent. Just want to make sure despite the great job made by Jason and Tao, I want to make one as accurate as possible to post results. Best regards.



 


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2006, 08:05:15 PM »
Maran:
            In page 4 reply 15 Tao explains beautifully the mechanics of the device.
 I recognize his enviable clarity of mind despite the fact that he translated from spanish. I speak spanish and  the simply brilliant arrangement to me was difficult to understand  though I have my own idea for a motor based in something I discovered and I would like to talk about.

 Whish I could shared it, but don't know how 'cause is not patented yet but I discovered how to spin a magnet 360 without lock up. The geometry is complicated and critical so for 3 years I've been trying to imagine an arrangement mechanically that is, which allow me to use the basic principle, the only thing I can tell you is that Hamel is right when he talks about weight into speed.
But this morning I've found how! finally I did walk around my apt in circles(honoring this motors way of motion?) out of excitement and talking to myself(Which I don't do often believe me) How could  it escaped for such a long time? and so forth those where the questions....apparently simple ,you would agree by my ramblings that it is not ,right??.

 But what I can tell you is that there are many arrangements still to be found, like many will see from the Torvay's motor.
Commercially speaking I don't think it would be profitable unless really protected by intenational laws but if its easily made as we pretended to be then is all good but no one would be a trillionare any time soon what do you think??.Best Regards
 

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2006, 08:05:15 PM »
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Offline Maran

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2006, 11:04:13 PM »
I'M STILL WITHOUT ANY IDEA HOW TO MAKE THE MODEL, I SEE TAO'S DESCRIPTION BUT TO MAKE THE SAME PIECES WITHOUT ANY VARIATION I NEED TO SEE SOME.


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2006, 07:42:17 AM »
 Just a little about odd shaped magnets.... some time ago I needed an odd shaped magnet for some project and became frustrated in trying to grind one out... I smashed some ceramic magnets into little peices with a hammer under a towel.. I made a mold out of some thin plastic to the shape I needed. Stuffed all these tiny bits of magnets in the mold and held a super strong magnet next to the mold were I needed the pole to be, if you hold a negative pole to a certain side you get a Positive pole...All the little peices, which are separate magnets, will line themselves up perfect to produce a magnet shaped the way you want it with the poles were you want them... now to hold them in place.. super glue... it works ..I have done it..Now as far as this (Magnet Motor from Argintina)... Still watching this.. I will try a few things and see.. I have a problem with pushing a magnet from a attraction force into a repulsive one...  I have not read all the post on this motor so I might be repeating some of the same questions, does the outside magnets need to be odd or even in number? How many? I have seen pictures with 7 and more.   Thanks   

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2006, 02:36:35 PM »
@MARAN

Have a look over here:

http://overunity.com/torbay/

There you can see these 2 animated GIF files that show you,
how the motor works.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2006, 03:31:13 PM »
Hello friends.
Sorry for my english.
I have tried to arm the Torbay's motor.
I used magnet of hard disk cut in halves and wood. The rotor is composed of a motor of hard disk and a cd.
The rotor has only one magnet, I tried to put more than one but didn?t work.
At the moment, the rotor move when lifting an stator arm, but it doesn't have enough power to make that the ramp lifts the following arm.
Also, the arm that faces to the rotor magnet remains lifted.

Then I will try to put a more potent magnet in the rotor and to try to reduce the friction of the ramp that lifts the arms.

Please see the images attached.

Some idea?
Thank you very much.


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2006, 04:51:10 PM »
Hi Cesarc,

There are three big problems I see in your design. The first thing is that your stator magnets are spaced too far apart. You need to minimize the gaps between them as much as possible. The closer you can get the magnets, the more concentrated the overall field will be and the more torque the rotor will experience. The second thing I see wrong with the design is the size of the rotor magnet. If you check out Torbay's patent, he used a 180 degree arc magnet for the rotor disk. So you will also need to make the rotor magnet longer (rounder) so that it can interact with more of the field from the stator magnets. That will also help to increase torque as well. Finally, you need to either use longer stator magnets or put pieces of metal on the back of them to concentrate the north-pole field and move the opposing field farther away.  Using bar magnets would be ideal here but simply sticking a piece of steel on the back will help.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2006, 05:02:46 PM »
Thank you Jason
I will follow your suggestions and I will show the results then.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2006, 07:33:16 PM »
Hi Cesarc,

    Besides what Jason already mentioned, I think there is one other serious problem in your model. You said that the rotor lacked enough power to overcome the ramp. Looking at the steep pitch of your ramp, I'm not surprised.  From your photos, the ramp looks like it has about 45 degrees. In terms of pitch, this translates to 1 in 1 (vertical to horizontall).
    The ramp shown in Torbay's patent has a pitch of 8 in 40, or 1 in 5, which translates to 9 degrees. That is a  much flatter ramp, presenting considerably less challenge to the rotor.
Good luck,
Cisco


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2006, 07:50:42 PM »
Thank you Cisco.
I will try to reduce the angle of the ramp :)
Thanks very much.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2006, 08:25:30 PM »
It has taken me a 2 weeks of lunch times to get thru this exciting string.

Hi Cesarc,

Another problem might be the hard drive magnets you are using might be multi-pole thus not giving you a true N or S pole on one side.

As far as a shaped magnet for the rotor simply create the shape you want from steel and put the pole of the magnet against the inside of the shaped part.  The field will distribute along the face of the shaped part and the other end of the magenet will not be near the perifery of the rotor diameter.  You can not use multipole magenets for this idea at all.

For All,

Who cares about materials, speeds etc at the prototype level.  When this device is truly made to turn on its own all that stuff can be refined and power will be extracted.  We must get it to be self sustanining and the tweeking will begin.

Mark


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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2006, 09:15:53 PM »
Thanks Mark.
?does the metal to make the shape have to be steel or can be any other metal?
Thank you.

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