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kukulcangod

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2006, 05:48:30 AM »
Luis:
     Felicitaciones y gracias por ofrecer su ayuda y la del senor Torbay
 Como es posible obtener 2.5 kilowats de este motor?
 Es decir de que tamano deberia ser , o potencia magnetica ?
 Cuantas revoluciones por minuto se pueden esperar maximo de este tipo de motor?.
 Les deseo lo mejor. Diego 

Luis: Congratulations and thanks to offer your aid and the one of Mr.Torbay.
 out pf this motor how is it possible to obtain 2.5 watts?
 Say what size it should be or magnetic power?
How many rpm can be expected at the most, out of this type of  motor?.
 I wish you the best .Diego

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2006, 10:31:12 AM »
All you trying with the prototype, model or whatever, I think there's something very important missing from the patent that we might have overlook. We would need to add in a heavy flywheel. Just my view, may be wrong.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2006, 02:58:13 PM »
You only need a couter balance for the rotor magnet. This is not like an overbalanced wheel. At this point I think the builders here are just just trying to replicate with simple prototypes. Mine is made from PVC and other junk from my scrap boxes. As long as it has enough tourque to lift the stator with the ramp, it will continue rotation. If one can achieve this then you can place an induction coil above the rotor to generate electric. From that point we refine and improve to build more effecient and higher power systems.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #108 on: April 30, 2006, 08:22:20 PM »
No sucess. Not enough torque to lift stator. Here's photo. Ideas?

Will rotate when one is lifted by hand. The rotation will not lift the next stator. The stator to be lifted is attracting and this force cancels out the next pull and the previous push.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #109 on: April 30, 2006, 11:22:32 PM »
Hi Madmaxx,

Which way are the stator and rotor magnets polarized? If those are just standard ceramics that are magnetized through the thickness, then it will definately not work the way you have it. Those magnets need to be magnetized through the length so that the north pole faces the rotor directly. Otherwise the field will not be dense enough to give you the needed torque.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #110 on: May 01, 2006, 12:07:57 AM »
Hi Madmaxx,

Which way are the stator and rotor magnets polarized? If those are just standard ceramics that are magnetized through the thickness, then it will definately not work the way you have it. Those magnets need to be magnetized through the length so that the north pole faces the rotor directly. Otherwise the field will not be dense enough to give you the needed torque.

God Bless,
Jason O


So your saying face to face not end to end? It has enough torque to turn on it's own, but it can't overcome the magnetic pull when against the ramp.

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #111 on: May 01, 2006, 04:52:25 AM »
your lifting wheel (to lift the stator arms) on you rotor needs to be positioned 20 to 30 degree in front of your rotor magnet.. also your magnets (stator and rotor) need to be facing north to north..hope this helps. I have ordered 100 neos to build my second prototype of this motor to help prove whether or not this motor is feasible. with more magnets...I dont think that we will need to cut or grind them.  these are the magnets i ordered  http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=B824 ...i wish you good luck on your replication.

Jason Pohl

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #112 on: May 01, 2006, 05:02:56 AM »
I plan on using all 100 mags to create a wave motion in the motor to cause the "cat to chase its tale"....We will see if that will work...Till then good luck on all other replications.

Jason Pohl

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #113 on: May 01, 2006, 08:25:12 AM »
Madmaxx,
I believe that if you were to make the ramp shallower on your arms, increase number of arms or turn magnets (will come back to this), then you will get better results.

In the torbay patent he shows the arm magnets almost touching eichother. the edges filed down in a way so that the magnets do not interact side to side(with one another) and only interact with the rotor. The important part is that the field be closed more (arms closer together) if you leave a gap between the arms then the rotor magnets will try to find these gaps as well. this could weaken your torque alot! make sure you use a weel on the lifting arm (that rases the stator arms via ramp) to reduce friction/drag. make sure that your rotor magnets and stator arm magnets line up when all down. if you get down and look across the device then they whould all be pointing right at eachother and not with the arm magnets above the rotor magnets. this way you get optimum opposition between magnets(thus creating more torque) also I can not tell the size/power of the magnets you are using but the stator arms may need to be moved closer to the rotor. the closer you get the more torque, but also the harder they are to put down. you need to make sure that you are using a rotor magnet(s) that is equal to the power of the stator magnets. not just because of degaussing but because it will encrease torque.

to get the results you need you may try turning your magnets longwise and mounting them so that more surface area is pointing to the rotor. this will weeken the field but it will close it at the same time. if it is easy and you have the parts i recomend that you use the same setup you have going now only add a few more arms into it. respacing it all of course.

also close attention should be paid to the cuts on the rotor magnet in torbays patent. without these cuts the ends of the rotor magnet would interact with the stator magnets in attraction. the cuts basically face the atracting pole inwords toward the center of the rotor where it is harmless. this is important in rotors using rectangular magnets and few stator arms. based on my trials this device will not produce enough torque with less than 8 stators spaced evenly, if using ceramics (based on size/power) they should be positioned no farther than half an inch from rotor magnets. and no closer than 1/8 inch. (if you have to get that close you need better magnets) there should be no more than half an inch gap between the stator magnets either. but if you are not cutting them do not put them to close or they will attempt to rise on there own not to mention requiring more torque to put down from an up position.

as long as the north poles of your rotor magnets are pointing out at the stators and the stator magnets are pointing north at the rotor then you should get a good reaction. the torque is provided by closing the fields and reducing friction.

to everyone else this device will work. i have not made it yet but am getting closer. (lack of supplies is holding me back) I have gotten the rotor to lift the next stator in line, but lacked the power to go to the next because i spaced my stators to far apart. make sure when positioning the rotor magnets to not line them up directly with the stator magnets when looking down from the top. if you do they will get stuck between stators and reduce over all torque. setting each of the three rotor magnets(or however many you use) just to the left and right of the stator magnets will prevent the magnets from hitting this "speedbump".

also as nas mentioned make sure that the lifting arm is located about 20-30 degrees BEFORE the magnets on the rotor. the next stator in line must be lifted before the magnets reach the one that is already lifted in order to achieve continous motion.

also those hinges on your stator arms may or may not be to stiff, and the weight of the stator arms is going to put some pressure against the lifting arm (slowing down and reducing torque of the rotor). to reduce weight simple cut groves into the bottom of the stator arm thus removing any useless baggage.

I hope this was of some help. I recommend making a checklist of requirements that should be met in building the device. (i.e. spacing, alignment, and friction losses, etc.) to make sure that you have done everything posible to make it work. this will help avoid some trial and error (mostly the error part :) )

well good luck. I will post all my findings and experiments and ideas along with video once i have finished.

thanks,
danny

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #114 on: May 02, 2006, 11:03:27 PM »
The rotor is a half circle with one pole facing out. Is this right? Or is half the rotor positive and the other half negative? Someone please clarify for me, Thanks

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #115 on: May 02, 2006, 11:59:01 PM »
Hi, The rotor's outside surface - facing the stator magnets - is one pole - same pole as the stator magnets.
Have a look at Tao's excellent simulations on page 4, these are based on the actual patent dimensions.
A ring magnet with this polorization is very unusal and would need to be specially manufactured. Speaker magnets are unsuitable since they are polarised across the flat surfaces.
A solution I am working on uses a stack of small NgFeB magnets attached to a thin iron former which has the appropriate angles cut into it. This is  attached to an aluminium rotor which acts as a flywheel.

kukulcangod

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #116 on: May 03, 2006, 08:23:15 AM »
People , I'm depicting in 3d the motor based on the patent , soon I will start to build and share info , but designing gives a thorough understanding of things hope we are in the right track this time...
In the meantime I think the best option for that rotor magnet would be a "Halbach" array for the individual magnets put together option,
 instead of the customized one....I was whishing that the one  I have from speakers would work but.....
What's your take at it?. Greetings

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #117 on: May 04, 2006, 02:01:43 PM »
Perhaps we could get the speaker magnet to work by cutting out the south pole and place 2-3 pieces of north pole only together? You can cut this stuff with a tile saw.

kukulcangod

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #118 on: May 05, 2006, 04:43:42 AM »
Hi all:
Madmaxx the poles no matter how you cut them , reorganize again, making 2 different poles again, I tried to cut my donut speaker magnet but the powerful rotozip with metal cuting disc was no match for the brittle ceramic material. Yes , you did it but I don't have that type of saw with me what a setback....just to show like Torvay that simplicity is brilliant again.
 This donut will work the stator magnets in my case they match in width with the donut one, and has the same repulsive reaction, say geting atracted towards it once lifted, same for stator magnets of same polarity
 A magnetic monopole is only closely achieved by the Halback array , but for it to work we need cube shaped magnets , that's not difficult . Going to home depot.....Regards

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Re: Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2
« Reply #119 on: May 05, 2006, 12:50:29 PM »
A wet tile saw is the only way to cut a ceramic magnet. Any other method will overheat and break. I haven't seen cube magnets at the hardware stores. Perhaps Hooby Lobby? I'll quit talking unitl I make another atempt. Perhaps this weekend. The hallbach array looks like it might have potential.