Author Topic: Thoughts on Earth Lines (Read 9350 times)

jadaro2600 · « **on:** September 27, 2009, 03:00:53 AM »

This may be somewhat related to ley lines, etc.

It's well know that a power line will conduct a voltage even when disconnected, is it not reasonable to deduce than that a long enough line will begin to conduct electricity not as a result of electricity but as a result of it being on the surface of the earth and since the earth is rotating, it is thus moving in an otherwise stationary field? Wouldn't this be the same effect as the vertical stator homopolar generator:

I've looked everywhere for a picture of the concept, but, this crude one will have to do (the rotor picture exists in some book published in the early 1920's):

As the rotor spins, a current builds up in the arms, blue, from one end to another...
wouldn't the earth line conduct a current when oriented from north to south?

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2009, 03:06:31 AM »

This is one of the reasons why 'most' power lines run East to West, the Earth and the Moon have field lines that induce electrical current flow into the lines and sometimes would blow out the transformers.

I don't know if they still have problems with this as of today but at one time it use to be a pain in the power companies butt.

Jerry

forest · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2009, 10:57:23 AM »

It is of the immerse importance to prove if Earth magnetic field is stationary (And Earth is homopolar generator) or rather Earth magnetic field rotate along Earth rotation with the same speed (and maybe causing gravity field).

Most of power lines are grounded so I suppose any generated HV is dissipated to Earth. Am I right ?

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2009, 07:35:02 PM »

try the experiment.

Jerry

forest · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2009, 10:30:21 PM »

can you explain the purpose of such experiment ?

mr_bojangles · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2009, 04:16:48 AM »

wouldnt the wire (or stator) have to be standing still or moving the opposite direction of the magnetic field?

obviously a wire on the earth stays in the same position in respect of the earth, so wouldnt it rotate with the field inducing no electricity?

if the magnetic field is not rotating i think you would be able to do this, but i believe the field rotates with the earth, so therefore would you not have to keep the wire stationary in comparison to the earth to allow the field to induce electricity

this would mean you would have to have the wire traveling the speed of the earth in an opposite direction

NASA did an experiment where they just allowed a wire around 3 miles to float in space, it induced so much electricity it burned up and broke off

i think its the same application, they got the wire out of the gravitational pull from the earth, but not the magnetic field because it is a lot stronger than the gravitational "field" of the earth

getting just out of reach allowed it to be stationary in comparison to the rotating earth with the field rotating with it allowing induction

this is all speculation but its how i see it

until next time

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2009, 05:43:54 AM »

Quote from: mr_bojangles on September 30, 2009, 04:16:48 AM

wouldnt the wire (or stator) have to be standing still or moving the opposite direction of the magnetic field?

obviously a wire on the earth stays in the same position in respect of the earth, so wouldnt it rotate with the field inducing no electricity?

if the magnetic field is not rotating i think you would be able to do this, but i believe the field rotates with the earth, so therefore would you not have to keep the wire stationary in comparison to the earth to allow the field to induce electricity

this would mean you would have to have the wire traveling the speed of the earth in an opposite direction

NASA did an experiment where they just allowed a wire around 3 miles to float in space, it induced so much electricity it burned up and broke off

i think its the same application, they got the wire out of the gravitational pull from the earth, but not the magnetic field because it is a lot stronger than the gravitational "field" of the earth

getting just out of reach allowed it to be stationary in comparison to the rotating earth with the field rotating with it allowing induction

this is all speculation but its how i see it

until next time

Hi bojangles.

I think the different layers of Earth's magma bands move at different speeds compared to the Earth's crust. the core as well. the moon has a slight induction of field on the Earth as well, not very strong but it exists.

you could wrap the Earth from North to South and back again with motor windings to capture this source but it would greatly ugly our planet.

what we want is something small, say with in 50 to 100 square miles of land area to run the entire country as a whole. as of now, solar tech can do this.

Jerry

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:15:24 AM »

jadaro2600 said:

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...It's well know that a power line will conduct a voltage even when disconnected, is it not reasonable to deduce than that a long enough line will begin to conduct electricity not as a result of electricity but as a result of it being on the surface of the earth and since the earth is rotating, it is thus moving in an otherwise stationary field? ...

I was under the impression the Earth's magnet field was usually thought of being non-moving in terms of magnetic lines. They rotate in time with the Earth's core.

To create a current with a wire, the wire should move against the Earth's rotation and also be set north to south in orientation, so as to intercept the Earth's magnetic lines. Would this make sense? If there's another, or better, explanation, I like to read it.

--Lee

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:19:38 AM »

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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... what we want is something small, say with in 50 to 100 square miles of land area to run the entire country as a whole. as of now, solar tech can do this.

A HAARP ELF antenna could do that, as a receiver, to diodes, capacitors and batteries. 100 square miles could generate a significant amount of power, even way out in the country; not near civilization.

--Lee

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:30:50 AM »

Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 30, 2009, 06:19:38 AM

A HAARP ELF antenna could do that, as a receiver, to diodes, capacitors and batteries. 100 square miles could generate a significant amount of power, even way out in the country; not near civilization.

--Lee

Which also explains, they stood on a sea of glass with harps in their hands.

I understand it now.

Big M, you will go down in history with the big G. make it so!

Thank you.
Jerry

MileHigh · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:45:08 AM »

Jadaro:

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is it not reasonable to deduce than that a long enough line will begin to conduct electricity not as a result of electricity but as a result of it being on the surface of the earth and since the earth is rotating, it is thus moving in an otherwise stationary field?

It is always about changing magnetic fields with respect to time. It is just a giant version of what happens when you move a coil of wire near a magnet. The Earth is rotating slowly so the change in magnetic field with respect to time is very very slow. The magnetic field itself is barely changing because it lines up with the surface of the Earth. So this is not a viable way to extract energy from the rotating Earth.

Edge:

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This is one of the reasons why 'most' power lines run East to West, the Earth and the Moon have field lines that induce electrical current flow into the lines and sometimes would blow out the transformers.

The only issue is solar storms that rain charged particles down on the Earth. No relationship with East-West vs. North-South. Moving charged particles represent a large amount of changing electric current, generating millions of times more rate of change of magnetic flux than the Earth's magnetic lines of force, and that induces real energy into power lines. You probably are aware of the famous power outage in Quebec Canada in 1989.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:49:43 AM »

The Big:

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A HAARP ELF antenna could do that, as a receiver, to diodes, capacitors and batteries. 100 square miles could generate a significant amount of power, even way out in the country; not near civilization.

You have a problem.... receive what? There is no free lunch raining down from the sky.

MileHigh

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2009, 03:21:00 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on September 30, 2009, 06:49:43 AM

...There is no free lunch raining down from the sky.
MileHigh

Okay, why not?

http://www.rexresearch.com/plauson/plauson.htm

--Lee

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2009, 03:35:01 PM »

onthecuttingedge2005

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Thank you.
Jerry

You're welcome.

--Lee

MileHigh · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:05:10 AM »

The Big:

You shouldn't take an article written in 1922 too literally. You have probably seen clips on YouTube where people use antennas, diodes and capacitors go get power from the air. They are lucky if they can charge a 10 uF cap to 5 volts in 24 hours. That's something like nanowatts of power.

With some sort of large antenna array, the amount of power you could extract from the air would probably be something between mircowatts or nanowatts of power per square meter.

A 100 square mile antenna array would be the world's largest megaproject. The amount of energy expended and the cost to build it would be astronomical.

The number crunching on the return on investment doesn't look very good.

MilleHigh

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