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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2009, 06:09:56 AM »

Crossing both together would take more than *a little* effort genetically, I think.

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Crossbreeding plants of different species is not done the same way as with animals of different species by altering the genes, it can be done during the growth of the plants.  You literally cut both species of plants in half.  Then you take the top half of one species and glue it to the stem of the other species.  Then you take the seed that is produced, germinate it, backcross it or continue the process with other species until you have a hybrid plant that meets your expectations.  It is slightly more complicated than this, but I am trying to keep it simple here.

Crossbreeding plants of different species is an easier method than genetically modifying them in the lab.  It may take 2, 3, or even 4 generations of crossbreeding in order to get a hybrid plant that meets your expectations.  Crossbreeding plants of different species is much different than genetically altering the genes in order to crossbreed animals of different species.  It is also much different than trying to crossbreed a cat with a dog.  It won't happen without a lot of effort genetically because they are different species.

This technique of cross breeding different species is not possible to do with animals, but it is possible to do with plants.  Don't say plants of different species can't be cross breaded easily because you can't crossbreed animals of different species without a lot of effort genetically.  This is not the case with plants.  You could take a gene from antifreeze and genetically modify a tomato plant in the lab so it could survive lower temperatures without getting frost damage (they are actually in the process of doing this now), but we don't need to use that method here.   Do your own research in cross breeding plants, and you will see what I am saying is accurate.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_breeding


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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2009, 06:24:53 AM »
I don't want to cross any plant other than what is needed to grow Carbon nano tubes, the growing system could make things perfect so long as we research it properly.

I mean if you try to abuse this you will lose you're alienability to the perfect spacecraft. literally, it is more important to build it rather than abuse it for psychotropic effects.

please don't abuse my perfect spacecraft, please.

Jerry ;)

Jerry,

I am not trying to abuse it for psychotropic affects.  I said we would need to use a strain of cannabis that has little to no THC content, because we don't need the THC content for our purposes here.  The THC is the main ingredient that is responsible for the psychotropic affects.

Cross breeding a cannabis strain that has no THC content with a bamboo plant will produce a hybrid plant with very strong and extremely long fibers without the psychotropic affects.  It would also grow very fast.  Was you thinking I was going to smoke the carbon nano tubes so I could get high?  That is nonsense.

If you're looking for very strong and extremely long strands of fibers, to grow your carbon nano tubes, then this is where to start.  You could always cross breed the bamboo with the Acacia or you could cross breed all three.  Cross breeding plants can accomplish the same thing as genetically modifying the plant in the lab and is much easier and less costly.  This technique is within the realm of possibility for the average person without the need for expensive lab equipment, etc.  This method goes back to the ancient of days.

I'm not trying to abuse your perfect spacecraft.  I'm only trying to suggest what may be an alternative method in growing carbon nano tubes organically for the perfect spacecraft.  If you have access to a lab that will research and genetically modify a bamboo or other plant that is within your budget, then that may be a quicker and better method than what I suggested.  If not, then you should be looking at alternative ways of accomplishing the same thing.


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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2009, 11:50:06 AM »
Jerry,

I finding it very interesting that you mentioned Acacia as a choice for growing the carbon nano tubes.  The ark of the covenant and other things were built with acacia wood overlaid in pure gold in the instructions to build the tabernacle or the spacecraft.  A spacecraft built with acacia grown carbon nano tubes may also represent the burning bush mentioned in Exodus.  The burning of incense may also represent acacia.  I'm starting to see where this is all going.  You definitely have my attention, and thank you for pointing me in the right direction.  I have to re-read everything again, so I can have a better understanding of the symbolism used for the perfect spacecraft.  I may need a little guidance, but I'm not too far off the yellow brick road.


Take care,


GB
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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 01:38:31 PM »
Hi GB.

everything on and about the Perfect Spaceship is based on how the Universe is designed to function.

The Symbolics of the Carbon Nano Tubes are the WormHoles throughout the Universe in space or if you wish, the heavens.

it is  important that I find the best means to make it other than what current technology has to offer. it is my job to help it and make it better, well as an engineer that is.

it is sweet perfection. the only thing that really bothers me is the massive amounts of daja vu that comes along with it. that is the part that sucks. it can drive a person nuts.

the Carbon Nano Tubes will be scientifically transformed into Transparent Aerogel.

the upper deck is the symbolics of the heavens.
the mid deck is the symbolics of the planets surface.
the lower deck is the symbology of the under world.

everything will be explained.

I have something weird that goes on in my mind every single moment, I see symbology in everything. everything around me is a symbol of some sort.

Jerry ;)
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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 02:24:30 PM »
Hi GB.

I have something weird that goes on in my mind every single moment, I see symbology in everything. everything around me is a symbol of some sort.

Jerry ;)

This happens to me from time to time.  It may span for a day, a week, or sometimes a month each time.  Then everything will be back to normal in my mind.  It comes and goes as it pleases.  Your's appears to not come and go, but is constant with you.  The only way to understand the symbolism, is when it wishes you too.  I understand exactly what you are experiencing.

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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 02:46:25 PM »
This may be how to scientifically transform the carbon nano tubes into a transparent aerogel, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_oil

If you extracted the honey oil or hash oil from the plant and replace it with a gas such as carbon dioxide, then it may turn into an aerogel.  "The land of milk and honey".

Have to leave for work now and don't really have time to explain this.  I'm sure you have this all figured out and the extraction of the honey oil replaced with a gas may not be the answer.  Not even sure if the honey oil even qualifies or has properties of a gel.


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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2009, 07:35:42 AM »
Jerry,

The honey oil extracted from the plant are carbon compounds.  Extract the honey oil from the plant.  Mix a batch of cornstarch with water or milk to a consistency in this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq3ZjY0Uf-g   Watch the entire video.  This is your milk.

Now mix the milk with the honey oil.  It will have properties of a gel and act like a solid with heat and pressure, which is part of the process to create a Carbon Aerogel.  This is the promised land, "the land flowing with milk and honey" or the land flowing with carbon aerogel spacecrafts.


Take care,

GB


Edit:
  Here is another video of a pool filled with cornstarch and water, which is a non-newtonian fluid.  When stress is applied to the liquid it exhibits properties of a solid.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw&NR=1

Non-newtonian fluids, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_Newtonian_fluid
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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2009, 03:13:17 PM »
Jerry,

It may be possible to extract the carbon compounds from the bamboo or acacia plants with the same or similar process as the honey oil in the hemp plant.  I used the honey oil as a reference, in order to show what may be possible, since it is already well documented for that particular plant.

The liquids in the carbon compounds can be extracted and replaced with carbon dioxide or another gas during the process to create the aerogels, leaving the aerogels to be made up of pure carbon.

Please note, the milk will thicken with heat and act as a solid under pressure, which may allow the replacement of the liquids with a gas to not be required.  The gas is used as a replacement to keep the gels from collapsing as the liquids are extracted from the gels, but the milk may accomplish the same thing without the gas.  This could lead to a much simpler, faster, cheaper, and safer method for the creation of the carbon aerogels.  Please let me know what you think.


Take care,

GB

 

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Re: Organic grown Carbon Nano Tubes
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2009, 09:32:53 PM »
Hi GB.

it would probably require a vacuum injector like the ones used in wood treatment plants to remove the fluids from the wood via vacuum boiling, the wood fibers could then be further refined by boiling the fibers in an inert fluid to separate the fibers even further. once the fibers are singular stranded then we could possibly introduce your idea of Aerogel process.

Since I don't have a high quality lab and a really good vacuum chamber all I can do is wait until I get some research money to go through the steps of working out the details.

I am pretty sure we would need a very good vacuum chamber for starters to boil away fluids in the wood fibers first.

but as soon as the fibers are set and molded then the fiber casting need to be Kilned with the proper aerogel fluids and gases and pressures involved to convert the carbon nano tube fibers to 'quasi carbon-nano-tube' aerogels.

maintaining super low weight ratios but keeping the Ultra Hardness of the material. the refractive rate of such a material would be pretty great but it would be almost invisible to the eye at a distance.

I also wanted to point out that induction heating coils could be used to flash heat the materials to induce very fast crystalization under controlled pressures inside a control chamber. I have seen Ice cubes heated so fast that they actually turn white hot before they have a chance to melt.

here is a process showing just that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4

Jerry ;)
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