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Offline jbignes5

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Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« on: May 10, 2017, 05:49:28 PM »
 While discussing the pancake version of the bifilar coil on youtube with Tinman and RWG research I made key points about this device. Here they are.

"There is no power transfer in this design. It is not a transformer due to the single path through the device. It is a single wire wrapped in such a way that restricts self induction to let high speed impulses pass as if there was nothing surrounding that single wire. Any voltage gain must then be from acceleration of the current through the device. Same amount of current but gains in voltage only due to this speed increase of the charges through the device. Tesla himself stated this in the patent. Are you arguing that science is wrong then with particle accelerators? <-Same concept. When the device is used properly with impulses and nothing else it shines. When used with AC it does not work as described. So all your testing with AC is nerfed. Is this by the testers design? I think so. To what end?

 Listen I can show just about anything if I wanted to. Exploring this coil while using Tesla's methods is a must. Exploring the coil with your methods will net NOTHING. It would be like exploring a resistor without using current. Ahhh... Thats it. How does a resistor work with no current to resist, just voltage?

 It is very clear that Tesla was looking for alternate ways to utilize coils without the dampening effects. Again "The effects of self-induction, above referred to, are known to be *********neutralized******** by proportioning to a proper degree the ***capacity*** of the circuit with relation to the self-induction and frequency of the currents. This has been accomplished heretofore by the use of condensers constructed and applied as separate instruments." If you are going to ignore direct quotes from the person experimenting with said device then you might as well hang your experimenter cap up and stop all together.

 Tesla has left key information as to what his experiments were and the results of those experiments mean. Mostly everything else in the patent is a cover to get the patent and get this into the public eyes. Unfortunately Tesla had to resort to this tactic because his attempts to submit the patents would have been denied, just like it is today.

 Again exploring a patent by him without knowing his total back ground and experiments is like trying to explain other electrical patents without knowing basic electrical theory from which they were designed. I have never stated this is a magical device. What I did state is that it is being tested outside of the scope for which it was designed. Weather or not it is OU remains to be seen and remains to be tested as such. But might I ask, what about other devices made from this coil? Do they show OU effects. Well sort of.

 Self induction acts like a choke to current and a boon to the voltage potential. Capacitors shine with voltage only. There is no current in a capacitor. If there is then the cap is destroyed by current understandings. Some people mention power factor as an object of this coil. Really so is there a power factor when DC is used or impulses? Power factor is an AC phenomena. "In AC systems power factor is defined as the phase leading or lagging relation between Current and voltage waveform. Since in DC systems, there is no waveform for voltage, it is not possible to define a leading or lagging angle of any value. Thus power factor is just not applicable, it can't have a value." Again testing this coil with AC will be fruitless. AC currents are powered all through the sine wave. Impulsed currents are instantly power on and then powered off. There is no power in the intermittent periods between power on and off. In my strongest opinion this allows the environment to be sucked into the device in the off periods. This fills the capacitance in this device from the environmental electrical potentials via the north and south poles that form above and below the plane of the coil. Lets move to describing the electrical environment for which this device will pump energy into the system.

 Not only is there a magnetic field associated with this device there is a purely electrical field as well. Just like in any experiment done by Tesla, plasma is attracted or condensed from around the environment and concentrates around the device. It is after all attracted to the higher voltage potential of a solenoid coil. Well one side of that coil is responsible for that high potential due to self induction. What happens when you introduce the bifilar method is to short out the self induction due to the capacitive nature of the parallel path of the bifilar and subsequent serial connection. One end of that coil pulls electrically on  the other, aiding the speed of the current propagating through the coil and gaining potential in the process. The voltage gain in these coils is done through another method besides self induction. This must mean that it gains it's voltage via another method as I described. Once this device starts gaining potential it will then attract free plasma (which is highly voltage sensitive) from all around the device. This imparts a better environment for magnetic and electric fields. It makes it stronger in effect. Now how do I know that the environment is plasma rich? Well look at the field around a Lodge coil (not a Tesla coil), you know the one Sir Oliver Lodge created and was different then Tesla's coils. The field is enhanced around the coil and will conduct high voltages better. Much like doubling the conductive capability of a current carrying wire. The display on the end of the coil has the highest potential which condenses the plasma from the environment to such a degree that it illuminates the condensed pathways. Tesla was so enamored with sparks for a reason. He knew there was a conductor of space that allowed high voltages to transmit effortlessly through space. He knew he could vary the density of a given space of plasma by introducing the Higher voltages he was used to working with. His tower was a transmitter of this density. This coil was most likely used before his disruptive discharge circuit as an accelerator for his impulses of the density of plasma around his device. Much like when you throw a pebble into a calm pond the density wave changes through space. To pick out the energy present at any place from the initial wave origin one must know there is a vacuum of plasma in the Earth due to the high matter to plasma ratio. The only thing you need to do is put up an antenna with a wave matching circuit to the ground where plasma wants to be, to be even and balanced across space. Since matter displaces this plasma, it creates a vacuum to the plasma once the plasma has attained the potential level of the ground or lack thereof.

 This plasma is from our Sun and the guiding factor is the potential value of it and the matter it is squeezed between. It naturally seeks an imbalance which presents itself as a vacuum type effect. Also Double layering effects are known that cause a skin type effect with point sourced potentials like in our core. Our Sun is the focal point of our solar body. The matter present creates a pressure or reversed a vacuum to the balance seeking plasma. I know this is getting long winded but if you don't know how induction is created then how can you optimize the process to gain in energy? At that point you might as well stop looking. Induction is the clue. This device takes advantage of certain inductive laws. Certain laws governed by the density of the plasma in and around the device. In order to use this coil effectively it seems apparent that it must be in an oil bath to increase the capacitance. I say this because the coating on the wires dictates the capacitance between the opposite polarities present in this device's wires. The gauge of the wires also dictates the capabilities of this coil as well. With Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit the thickness of the wire was dictated by the potential level hitting the matter of the wires. Smaller gauge wire would explode like the finest dynamite of the day so the gauge of these coils must be strictly controlled to this non investigated avenue.

 These coils might show propulsive effects when applying impulsed trains or packets of impulses to fill the capacity in the coil. Like step charging or the Stanley Meyers take on it. A way to use this coil for magnetic generation Would be on each side of the coil's plane with ferrous re-gauging channels outside of the coils plane. This is due to the 90 degree laws governing electric and magnetic fields. This would help to focus the magnetic field better the further away it is from the plane of the coil. 90 degrees out of phase from that plane as well. Looping the tail ends of the focused magnetic channels might increase the output as well. Would a magnetic tap on that loop work for a power tap? I guess we will find out."

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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2017, 05:53:22 PM »
 Part 2:

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I have since gone back through the myriad of patents and have found the information about the use of this bifilar method.

 "I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise into a working circuit containing translating devices and, when required, condensers. These discharges may be of the same direction or alternating and intermittent, ***succeeding each other**** more or less rapidly or oscillating to and fro with extreme rapidity. In the working circuit, *******by reason of the condenser action, the current impulses or discharges of high tension and small volume are converted into currents of lower tension and *GREATER  volume*******. The production and application of a current of such rapid oscillations or alternations (the number may be many millions per second) secures, among others, the following exceptional advantages:

  First, the capacity of the condensers for a given output is much diminished;
 second, the efficiency of the condensers is increased and the tendency to become heated reduced,
 and, third, the range of conversion is enlarged. I have thus succeeded in producing a system or method of conversion ***radically different*** from what has been done heretofore—

 First, with respect to the number of impulses, alternations, or oscillations of current per unit of time, and, second, with respect to the manner in which the impulses are obtained. To express this result, I define the working current as one of an excessively small period or of an excessively large number of impulses or alternation or oscillations per unit of time, by which I mean not a thousand or even twenty or thirty thousand per second, but many times that number, and one which is made intermittent, alternating, or oscillating of itself without the employment of mechanical devices."

Thank you for helping me to focus back on that. The bifiliar coil is a single conductor with increased capacitance he mentions here and the proper method to utilize it is also given by the man who understood it better then all of us. The bifilar coil is an intermittent capacitor serial conductor. It is solely designed to work as such. Even though you can use pulses or oscillations it's primary converter function is impulse based. This is eluded to by the frequency of the division of each type of current mentioned by Tesla. Impulse, pulsed and oscillated currents were different to him for a reason. Pulsed and oscillated currents being established by him and a great many others before him. Impulsed currents were of a different character and one which no one really investigated much. Look at how he focuses on the capacitance as being the translator. Impulses collect and charge things including matter which he has shown in the public and quite often in his lectures."

 These have been modified to make better sense.


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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 12:28:24 PM »
Hi jbignes5 ,

Thanks by your thoughts , because seems,  that we have yet people think out the box ;) .
Some of the points you mention are important to people realize, that some of the tests that they made are very far way from what should be do, to reveal some of the goals of this coils .  Indeed maybe people should try uni-polar pulse excitation and observe after the results and compare with the sinusoidal results .  ;)

Thanks by your time and efforts in write that .


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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 02:39:49 PM »
jbignes5

How many times have we heard the !you must understand tesla's work! stuff before?--yes,many

Your second post only proves that your first post is incorrect--full of hole's and un-truths.

For example
Quote: "There is no power transfer in this design. It is not a transformer due to the single path through the device

That is incorrect.
There is two paths-not just one,and if there were no power transfer,what went in,would not come out.
EX2-Quote: It is a single wire wrapped in such a way that restricts self induction

Again-incorrect--see pic below.
If there is no self induction,how dose the coil self oscillate at it's natural resonant frequency?
The test was done by injecting a 500nS pulse of current.

EX3-Quote: Any voltage gain must then be from acceleration of the current through the device.

Acceleration of current  ???
The increase of voltage is due to a faster rate of change of the magnetic field in time-nothing more.

Quote
Same amount of current but gains in voltage only due to this speed increase of the charges through the device

The charges are accelerated by the magnetic fields change in time.

Quote: - Are you arguing that science is wrong then with particle accelerators

Particles are accelerated by electric fields,and then directed by magnetic fields.
What has this got to do with anything?.

Quote: When the device is used properly with impulses and nothing else it shines.

So are you going to show us this !shine!,or are you just another talker-another Tesla ex-spurt with nothing to back up there claims?.

Here is a challenge for you,as you know so much about Tesla's work on the BPC.

Post just one device of his,that used the BPC,and lets have a good look at it.

From what i have read on his patents for the BPC,is that it was designed for power factor correction-nothing more.

So now,the onus is on you,to provide just one device where the BPC was used to make that device !!shine!!.

It's all well and good to say i(and others) are doing it wrong,but you(yes you)then have to show us what is right.
So far,i see words.


Brad


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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 03:12:20 PM »

While a radiator for electromagnetic emission produces its field strength by the effect of changing currents; the radiator for electrostatic emission of the type here to be described produces its field strength by the effect of changing potentials.

the important point that electrostatic waves do not propagate into the medium in the same way as electromagnetic waves. In an electromagnetic transmission system, charge is accelerated in an elevated conductor, an antenna, to launch waves omni-directionally into the air. At a receiver, the electromagnetic waves induce a current in the antenna.
The variations in the current are processed by the detection circuitry to replicate the transmitted information.

In electrostatics, it is not necessary for flux lines to detach from an antenna and close upon themselves to propagate a wave that is received at a distant point. The transmitter, in Tesla's plan, oscillates the earth's charge and the receiver is connected to that same charge reservoir. Signals are not launched, but exist as pressure variations in the earth's oscillating electric field. Because the field already exists at the point of transmission and at the point of reception, the propagation characteristics are different from electromagnetic waves.

In addition to the mode of propagation being different, what travels between the transmitter and receiver is different.

 In electromagnetic transmission waves are sent out that are picked up by the receiving antenna. These waves induce a current the antenna.

In an electrostatic system a current passes directly between the transmitter and receiver. This current is the same as that which exists in a capacitor, that is, it is a displacement current.

 In a standard inductor-capacitor-resistance circuit, when it is energized and oscillating, it is understood that the current that passes through the conductors is completed through the non-conductor of the capacitor's dielectric through a displacement current.
 As charge is changed on one plate of the capacitor, an opposite but equal change in charge is seen on the other plate of the capacitor.

In Tesla's system the transmitter and receiver act as the capacitor plates and what passes between them is a displacement current. Displacement current, today, is seen as something of a virtual current, something different from a "real" or conduction current that flows through a wire.
 Tesla, however, understood what is meant by an electrical current in the same sense as Maxwell - that "all charge is the residual effect of the polarization of the dielectric and that "the variations of electric displacement evidently constitute electric currents.
 As a Maxwellian, Tesla was correct in describing his transmission system as one using true electric currents. Tesla's wireless electrical energy transmission system differed in all three characteristics he claimed - it was not electromagnetic, it operated through the earth or water, and conveyed electrical energy by a current.
 Once Tesla's communication method is better understood as a new branch of electrical science that was started over 100 years ago, it will not only have an impact on terrestrial technology, but will have applications in the future for space communications.


Hope that information could "!!shine!!" some minds

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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2017, 03:15:20 PM »

 You are right Tinman, I might not fully know the exact method of use for the coil. In that case thatis why I used the direct reference to the one who did do a study on the coil.

 I am not wrong about the the path through the device. A serially connected wire is in deed a single path through this coil. Not matter how it is looped it is what I have described. A single path that can be traced through the coil. Take your finger and trace the route starting at one start point of the wire to the end. It doesn't mater that it doubles back and parallels the start point, it is still a single continuous path through the coil. The paralleling is the reason for the increased capacity of that single path, plain and simple.

 Although my thoughts on the speed increase might be in error it parallels the physics behind particle accelerators, which is currently vetted in science.

 It is not incorrect to listen to a man who has investigated and experimented on these coil. Those quotes I mentioned about the self induction were directly from Tesla himself. You know the guy who is responsible for many many technologies we use today. So the statement that I quoted about self induction were from Tesla himself. If you want you can challenge Tesla by proving why you think self induction is still present in this coil. Tesla says specifically that self induction is negated<!!!! Where is your proof that it is not besides calling me a liar.

 It is funny top me that you think magnetism drives everything. I assure you from my tests and the simple logic that we can create a magnetic field with the electric or the coils we use wouldn't produce the magnetic field and we wouldn't have devices such as motor without magnets. Electro magnets are just that. A magnetic field created by the electric spectrum.

 Again going back to the accelerator you admit that the particles are accelerated by the electric field. My point exactly! In the pancake bifilar coil the magnetic field is separated to the above and below plane of the coil itself. It has very little to do with the electric currents flowing in the coil. It's a byproduct and a waste product in Tesla's eyes.

 As far as me showing you what is right, well that is not my burden. What I am doing, with Tesla's own words, is to show you, you are doing it wrong if you want to investigate this coil. The burden of proof is then you, who is in error of the correct way to use this device for which Tesla tested and actually used in experiments to reach higher voltages with normal matter such as in the wires. The burden of proof is on you and not me, I am merely trying to correct the miss information you guys are spreading. Weather it is intentional or not remains to be seen. I shouldn't have to be made to show you anything if you use the pencil wrongly. It is up to you to learn about this coil and one way is to explore the experiments and proofs Tesla has shown in experiment and put into writing in his patents.

 What I see here is a concerted effort to sway experimenters from investigating this coil that was highlighted by his examination of the coil scientifically and where he found a way to gain by  seperating the magnetic field and electric field from each other in essence purifying the fields.

 As for your incorrect usage of the coil and the resonant property of this coil. Well the coil have a markedly increased capacitance. The resistance of the wire and capacitance is the reason your improper investigation of this coil is resulting in an r/c oscillator.

 Instead of reading Tesla's words on this you seem to think you know better then the guy who refined your electric theories into reality through his devices.
 Let me ask you one question? How many patents have you reproduced by Tesla. My bet is very little or few if any. All of the information is there yet you are blind to it for some odd reason.

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 03:46:05 PM »
While a radiator for electromagnetic emission produces its field strength by the effect of changing currents; the radiator for electrostatic emission of the type here to be described produces its field strength by the effect of changing potentials.

the important point that electrostatic waves do not propagate into the medium in the same way as electromagnetic waves. In an electromagnetic transmission system, charge is accelerated in an elevated conductor, an antenna, to launch waves omni-directionally into the air. At a receiver, the electromagnetic waves induce a current in the antenna.
The variations in the current are processed by the detection circuitry to replicate the transmitted information.

In electrostatics, it is not necessary for flux lines to detach from an antenna and close upon themselves to propagate a wave that is received at a distant point. The transmitter, in Tesla's plan, oscillates the earth's charge and the receiver is connected to that same charge reservoir. Signals are not launched, but exist as pressure variations in the earth's oscillating electric field. Because the field already exists at the point of transmission and at the point of reception, the propagation characteristics are different from electromagnetic waves.

In addition to the mode of propagation being different, what travels between the transmitter and receiver is different.

 In electromagnetic transmission waves are sent out that are picked up by the receiving antenna. These waves induce a current the antenna.

In an electrostatic system a current passes directly between the transmitter and receiver. This current is the same as that which exists in a capacitor, that is, it is a displacement current.

 In a standard inductor-capacitor-resistance circuit, when it is energized and oscillating, it is understood that the current that passes through the conductors is completed through the non-conductor of the capacitor's dielectric through a displacement current.
 As charge is changed on one plate of the capacitor, an opposite but equal change in charge is seen on the other plate of the capacitor.

In Tesla's system the transmitter and receiver act as the capacitor plates and what passes between them is a displacement current. Displacement current, today, is seen as something of a virtual current, something different from a "real" or conduction current that flows through a wire.
 Tesla, however, understood what is meant by an electrical current in the same sense as Maxwell - that "all charge is the residual effect of the polarization of the dielectric and that "the variations of electric displacement evidently constitute electric currents.
 As a Maxwellian, Tesla was correct in describing his transmission system as one using true electric currents. Tesla's wireless electrical energy transmission system differed in all three characteristics he claimed - it was not electromagnetic, it operated through the earth or water, and conveyed electrical energy by a current.
 Once Tesla's communication method is better understood as a new branch of electrical science that was started over 100 years ago, it will not only have an impact on terrestrial technology, but will have applications in the future for space communications.


Hope that information could "!!shine!!" some minds

Nelson Rocha

 Just to help you understand it a bit better Tesla was oscillating the density of plasma that is already around our planet. That is what makes it different then magnetic communication and yes it has more to do with understanding of the static electric phenomena. Remember what Tesla said about statics. If it is genuinely static it is fruitless but if it is dynamic we are set free. And I put this forth that the ones who are objecting without going back to the source to learn more are doing this for a reason or are not truly scientific in their approach of investigating this coil and method.
 See he states I am wrong but doesn't provide anything to prove that other then saying so. He asks for proof then simply says he is right. You want to know the proof then research like I have done. Re-learn what it took me so long to learn from the source. I will not hand feed you the answers because the journey to get where I am at, is better at teaching you the methods then my flawed attempt to educate people on the subject. Doing the experiments and reproducing Tesla's work will teach you more then I could ever do. Obviously some don't believe me or even won't. If they want proof then they need to go back to school of Tesla and his methods and let it teach them itself. Again examining this coil outside of the methods of use and correct circuit design for this coil will only net them a mystery. On the other hand doing the experiments and reproducing the devices Tesla made would only teach them in the best way possible.

 Now back to the transmission of energy and signals through space. We can all agree that even though matter looks solid it is not. It is separated by something. Well that something is a dark mode of plasma. The source of plasma is our sun. The suns source is connected to the center of our galaxy. That connection is never more present then the arms we see coming from the center of said galaxy. There is a connected flow in that arm and that flow is plasma that rides between all segmented solids such as matter. The plasma density can be varied simply by exciting the matter which surrounds that matter. This draws in more plasma and better conduction can be made between the separated matter. This is why Tesla experimented and focused on high voltage discharges. He was studying what plasma was and how it was attracted to the high potentials in essence condensing or changing the density of the plasma through and around the excited matter.

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2017, 03:57:45 PM »
Just to help you understand it a bit better Tesla was oscillating the density of plasma that is already around our planet. That is what makes it different then magnetic communication and yes it has more to do with understanding of the static electric phenomena. Remember what Tesla said about statics. If it is genuinely static it is fruitless but if it is dynamic we are set free. And I put this forth that the ones who are objecting without going back to the source to learn more are doing this for a reason or are not truly scientific in their approach of investigating this coil and method.
 See he states I am wrong but doesn't provide anything to prove that other then saying so. He asks for proof then simply says he is right. You want to know the proof then research like I have done. Re-learn what it took me so long to learn from the source. I will not hand feed you the answers because the journey to get where I am at, is better at teaching you the methods then my flawed attempt to educate people on the subject. Doing the experiments and reproducing Tesla's work will teach you more then I could ever do. Obviously some don't believe me or even won't. If they want proof then they need to go back to school of Tesla and his methods and let it teach them itself. Again examining this coil outside of the methods of use and correct circuit design for this coil will only net them a mystery. On the other hand doing the experiments and reproducing the devices Tesla made would only teach them in the best way possible.

Each person has their time, to learn, some take longer. Many will never learn ...
And to each one, freedom confers making their choices, even if are wrong .
Certainly it will not be a mere opinion that will make the most astute to turn from the right path. ;)

Just opinions, and different perspectives nothing more.

Cheers

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 04:57:32 PM »
 Again lets hear from Tesla:

 First, the capacity of the condensers for a given output is much diminished;
 second, the efficiency of the condensers is increased and the tendency to become heated reduced,
 and, third, the range of conversion is enlarged. I have thus succeeded in producing a system or method of conversion ***radically different*** from what has been done heretofore—

 This means he did it in a radically different method than was done before him or even since. Listen to his words he is showing you this is a radical departure to the current theories he was working from of that time or sadly even now.

 ***I am adding more to this post, please be patient***

  "First, with respect to the number of impulses, alternations, or oscillations of current per unit of time, and, second, with respect to the manner in which the impulses are obtained. To express this result, I define the working current as one of an excessively small period or of an excessively large number of impulses or alternation or oscillations per unit of time, by which I mean not a thousand or even twenty or thirty thousand per second, but many times that number, and one which is made intermittent, alternating, or oscillating of itself without the employment of mechanical devices."

 If you fill this high capacity of wire any subsequent impulse, pulse or AC waveform will oscillate the captured potential in the capacitance. Each train stepping the charge up on that capacitance as well besides ringing the capacity. The circuit needed to explore this easily is an impulse circuit. Described below:

 "I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise into a working circuit containing translating devices and, when required, condensers."

 I will give you this advice. Since I have experimented with this device there is a caveat you need to understand.

 *******************************Impulse energy has two caveats: 1: Gauge of wire is very important since Impulses of sufficient power will explode small gauges of wire. With matter density needing to be very closely calculated to the Impulse magnitude for stability of the wire you are hitting with Impulses.  2: Impulse trains are better then 1 single blast. This allows the matter to draw in plasma and not explosively blow the matter apart with increased plasma density between the matter itself. Trains of impulses also are better for humans as well. You can think of this as biasing our matter to have better density of conductors in between our matter. Successive impulses being the best method. So the period and Constance of that period has to be maintained. This allows matter to swell gently.*****

 There maybe other side effects so keep the devices small in magnitude until we know more.

 As another side note. It might be possible that the impulses were designed to form a pseudo sign-wave. Meaning if fed into a capacitor it will oscillate like an AC wave in the magnitude of the impulses. Like a digital conversion to real AC current across a cap.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2017, 08:48:46 PM »
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 "I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise"


Seems to say that the input is applied to the ends of the 2 bifi wires but the other end of the bifi connections are a spark gap?

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2017, 09:26:50 PM »
Hey brad

I asked about this before, but Im not sure it was answered beyond yes there is a diode. I reposted the pic you posted above.

Is it a representation of the coils oscillation allowed to freely oscillate after the input(red arrow) is shut off?  What Im getting at is if that is what you are trying to show as to the amount of input, then the amount of peak inductive kickback(Yellow arrows) and further to show the next peak(purple arrow), then something is amuk.  Something is clamping the first yellow arrow swing. Why is that occurring? Is that intentionally there where a diode is going to a load or cap or something? Im not clear on this.  Here is why....

If it were a pulse of 8.5v and when the pulse lets go, the field collapse causes the first down swing to the yel arrow area.  Now if that is being clamped at 13.6v and then the next upswing to the purple arrow is 20v, then I would presume that if there was no clamping in the yellow area that the yel area trace would be far more than 13.6v, and also the purple peak is possibly higher than 20 also.  Are you saying that 13.6v is the actual peak from the coil after the pulse? Or a loaded peak on that yell swing through a 13.6v zener?   

So Im just wondering what you are showing here.  Maybe I missed the circuit for this shot as Im really wondering why the bottom half of the wave is getting clamped and not set free to ring a max potential and show the actual values on those pointed out peaks. What is clamping it and why is it set up to be clamped is basically what Im getting at. I think the first down swing would be more than 13.6v. 

And then an interesting thing is, how did it hit 20v in the purple when the yel swing before that was only 13.6v.  It is usually the largest freewheeling swing of an oscillation run down is the first swing, and the next in the other direction is diminished and so on..... But thats not the case here. Strange.


 Thanks

Mags

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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2017, 09:41:19 PM »
"I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise"



This is one of the most misrepresented quotes of all times.....  The "collectively agreed upon" definition of "generator" doesn't work in Tesla systems.....  What is a generator by his standard, find the proper answer to that and you will be onto something.


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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2017, 11:58:18 PM »
 How much more explicit that it tells you by what the output of that generator is. Right after generator he says:

 "preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents"

 He then states how to connect in a generic way the circuit.

 "This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)****"

 He then states how he gets Impulses of the magnitude he uses here:

 "and discharge the accumulated electrical energy (in the high capacitance wire), disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise"

 It's like a doubler circuit I believe. What i mean is you have a potential that you fill into a cap and disruptively discharge that cap into a suitable load or another resonant circuit across  or via an isolator gap designed to translate those impulses into current again in the receiving circuit.

 What dictates the output is then the frequency or period of the impulses and the magnitude of the Impulses when it meets the translator circuit. The circuit then relies on the before mentioned impulses and the reaction it causes in the matter density of the receiving circuits. I did not go as far as test the ratio of gain or the effect on the matter of the receiving circuit  vs the impulse magnitude or period. It simply worked as said and I stopped further investigations because of my failing health which was not due to the device I tested as this is a long standing health problem.

 Let me be clear the warning I posed was hopefully received as I am not sure of the magnitude of the impulses when meeting this channels of matter we call conductors. Thats why I suggested to start small but be aware. I'll see what I can find out about Tesla's notes about the extremes he was used to working with. For exploration I believe no one would scale it that far without knowing the dangers of going to the extremes that Tesla was accustomed to. Multi millions of volts he could obtain with his expertly crafted generators and translators.

 Suitable screening needs to be used after the discharge gap. This is to reflect the potential back and keep it contained in and around the wires after the discharge circuit. The screening must be as presented and patented by Tesla. Meaning the system should be designed with the period in mind of the receiving circuit. The length of the screening was calculated by the period across the gap space. Lets say 1 mm per some frequency of impulses. It had to be segmented and overlapped and thats add capacity as well to the screening and should be experimented on. I think he said in the patent all that information. I have posted these patents many many times. I just don't keep them on my working internet machines any more due to cyber intrusions.

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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2017, 01:17:04 AM »
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 "I employ a generator, preferably, of very high tension and capable of yielding either direct or alternating currents. This generator I connect up with a condenser or ***conductor of some capacity (bifilar coil)**** and discharge the accumulated electrical energy disruptively through an air-space***(spark gap)**** or otherwise"


Seems to say that the input is applied to the ends of the 2 bifi wires but the other end of the bifi connections are a spark gap?

Mags

 If you use a cap as the main dump then the bifilar coil directly to the gap in serial fashion it will boost the magnitude of the voltage before the impulse gap. This system should be used with a true ground or even to a lesser degree a virtual ground or antenna connection on the receiving end or circuit. I think some may know where I am going with this. It has Arrow in it's title and was a car experiment performed and widely reported on in rural NY..


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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 05:13:30 PM »


And then an interesting thing is, how did it hit 20v in the purple when the yel swing before that was only 13.6v.  It is usually the largest freewheeling swing of an oscillation run down is the first swing, and the next in the other direction is diminished and so on..... But thats not the case here. Strange.


Mags

In fact it is so strange I want to try and duplicate that trace. The top peaks should not be higher that the previous lower peaks in a resonant ring 'down'

Mags

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Re: Bifilar coils and the usage of such.
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