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Author Topic: Tesla Patent # 577670  (Read 38152 times)

Qwert

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 05:51:18 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on January 12, 2013, 01:20:24 AM
Didnt know Tesla had kids.


Tesla was celibate and never married.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla   >>   Relationships

Also, there are some biographies on the net.
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Magluvin

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 06:07:28 AM »
Quote from: Qwert on January 12, 2013, 05:51:18 AM
Tesla was celibate and never married.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla   >>   Relationships

Thats what I thought. Havnt gotten to look up what my friend told me. Im on it now.
Its possible he was mistaken. Will see.  Jessy's shows have been cancelled.

Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 06:19:50 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on January 12, 2013, 06:07:28 AM
Thats what I thought. Havnt gotten to look up what my friend told me. Im on it now.
Its possible he was mistaken. Will see.  Jessy's shows have been cancelled.

Mags

Yeah, did some searching, nada. Ill get with him on monday to see where he got that info.

Mags
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Doug1

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2013, 02:58:19 PM »
Why are O" and O wound opposite directions in the patent drawing?reffered to as "chokes" being seperate O and O" in both fig 1 and 2 .I also noticed some odd differences in the comutator segments compared to the discription or ref. to them. (e,e"in fig 1) in the pic but only a mention of e in the discription.
  The device looks like a mechanical dc to ac inverter with more user control over it by making different comutators.Segment spacing/speed, segment length/duration. Old auto ignition systems used dwell and gap in the same way.
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forest

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 10:42:51 PM »
Oooo  :-* :o   you are on good way....  :P   I spent last few months trying to make simpler Tesla circuit with only one primary capacitor. It's hard to match elements , because Teslas device worked on high voltage but as you know we can't use high voltage easily  to show there is much power indeed.... and switching HV is problematic
 
it's not funny when I think that in 2009 I was so close ....  :-[ 
Well.....think about circuit when all reactive power is automatically converted into real one. It has to be special, very narrow band....
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forest

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2013, 10:48:13 PM »
Good that this link still works http://sssf.byethost31.com/physics1/13961.htm
 
the obvious should be to you that bee is from outer spacetime ;-) where times goes by faster
the difference in time makes OU
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forest

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2013, 10:59:03 PM »
"It is then discovered that the flexibility of the wing plays a significant role as well as the mechanical movement of the wing through the air and the speed at which the wing is flapped. "
 
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totoalas

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 12:22:34 AM »
 for a pulser ive once made a cap relay pulser one 12 v dc relay and a cap in a fluorescent ac lamp
in nc mode the cap is charging back the relay
if somebody can simplify the circuit or parts off the shelf then we can start the build   startingwith the coil  then pulser and transformer   
shylo if you can share yours will be fine   and others too
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shylo

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 11:05:24 PM »
Mags' ,I'm not even sure it is shorting ,in the wrong spot the contact melts, in the right spot it still sparks ,but a different colour ,also the wire doesn't even get warm..picture I hope
Toto ,This is what I need ! Some way to dump caps in sequence?
Here are 2 coil stacks 1 on top of the other..
Each stack seems to be limited to 7 bridges.
More testing yet to do...shylo
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crazycut06

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2013, 01:17:07 AM »

Hi all,
This is my rough sketch of the patent with the revised switch, this switch may not be correct compared with the patent where the commutator at some point is both connected through coil k, the switch can be a DPST relay or mosfets, i've put the coils "o" on the secondary side which i believe they should be to pickup the kick from coil K, however, i don't know the effects of the reversed windings, how they work with the consensers or caps "maybe polarized or non polarized", maybe the caps should also be reversed dunno....
I know many have done this before like Mags,  ;D  Let's explore it further... Whats your take on this?
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Magluvin

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 02:53:57 AM »
Hey Crazycut

Unless the description describes mutual inductance to other components by these 2 coils, I think the dirction of winding doesnt matter much.  ;)

This circuit just may be a way of producing high freq/high voltage pulses to the transformer from a DC source.

It is definitely a dual rapid fire Igniter pat circuit.

If the caps values are smaller, during switch connection, the caps can resonate with the primary. But at disconnect, what state of charge might each cap be left with when the switch switches over? This causes offsets all over the pulse trace of random highs and lows. So I believe it is that each cap is just discharging in one direction into the primary, then recharged by the source through the inductor while the other cap is being discharged.

While writing that paragraph, I had a thought. If the switching is timed just right, the switch could possibly hold the cap across the primary long enough to allow the cap to discharge all the way to an opposite polarity(resonant oscillation) and back again till it is back near its previously charged state. This way consuming less from the input when recharging AND still providing a good up 'and' down pulse to the primary.  :o ;) Being a full cycle discharge, the input to the primary is most likely getting more, than if just a high to zero discharge of the cap as I was thinking of earlier. ;) ;)   Seems so. Will have to play with that.

In my mind, all things will need to be in near perfect tune. Coils, caps, timing. Maybe even the length of the connections between all components.

Mags

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crazycut06

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 06:45:35 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on January 14, 2013, 02:53:57 AM
Hey Crazycut

Unless the description describes mutual inductance to other components by these 2 coils, I think the dirction of winding doesnt matter much.  ;)

This circuit just may be a way of producing high freq/high voltage pulses to the transformer from a DC source.

It is definitely a dual rapid fire Igniter pat circuit.

If the caps values are smaller, during switch connection, the caps can resonate with the primary. But at disconnect, what state of charge might each cap be left with when the switch switches over? This causes offsets all over the pulse trace of random highs and lows. So I believe it is that each cap is just discharging in one direction into the primary, then recharged by the source through the inductor while the other cap is being discharged.

While writing that paragraph, I had a thought. If the switching is timed just right, the switch could possibly hold the cap across the primary long enough to allow the cap to discharge all the way to an opposite polarity(resonant oscillation) and back again till it is back near its previously charged state. This way consuming less from the input when recharging AND still providing a good up 'and' down pulse to the primary.  :o ;) Being a full cycle discharge, the input to the primary is most likely getting more, than if just a high to zero discharge of the cap as I was thinking of earlier. ;) ;)   Seems so. Will have to play with that.

In my mind, all things will need to be in near perfect tune. Coils, caps, timing. Maybe even the length of the connections between all components.

Mags


Every option is possible, we just need to try and investigate more, this is just one part of the puzzle to be solved, i'm diggin my old stuff to try this again, will be winding the coils first wiTh thick primary low resistance, then i'll put secondary "o" coils cw & ccw.


Regards
Cc
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forest

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 09:23:01 AM »
Mags is correct, this is dual ignition patent  to eliminate dead time of charging capacitor (Tito is using just DC-DC or DC-AC-bridge inverter here but Tesla matched all elements and have here dual DC to DC converters)  . This is surely possible but dangerous (not circuit ::) ) - it was done many times. Look for PODMOD and history of inventor....
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forest

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2013, 09:23:46 AM »
Quote from: crazycut06 on January 14, 2013, 06:45:35 AM

Every option is possible, we just need to try and investigate more, this is just one part of the puzzle to be solved, i'm diggin my old stuff to try this again, will be winding the coils first wiTh thick primary low resistance, then i'll put secondary "o" coils cw & ccw.


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Cc

 Bingo. :-*  Plus narrow timings , plus ( ..............) =OU :-)
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crazycut06

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Re: Tesla Patent # 577670
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2013, 11:25:18 AM »
Quote from: forest on January 14, 2013, 09:23:46 AM

 Bingo. :-*  Plus narrow timings , plus ( ..............) =OU :-)


Hi forest,
You know more than us here, i know you have surpass the very basic of this, your expertise is badly needed hehehe.... ;D
Regards
Cc
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