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Author Topic: How does Perendev's motor work?  (Read 70708 times)

Offline nightwynd

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How does Perendev's motor work?
« on: May 07, 2006, 03:32:27 PM »
Hi all, new to the forum here and hoping to be an active participant  :)
First off a question that i'm sure has been answered somewhere in the past, or perhaps not... Has anyone here figured out how Perendev's PMM (supposedly) works? Apparantly they are going global and full-scale with it soon.... for the low low price of 8500 Pounds (just over $17,000 Canadian) - ouch.
Here's the link if any of you want to check his site: www.perendev-power.com - there are videos here (not sceptic proof though)

Another link of note along the same lines: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Perendev:Jeffery_Lecroix
- Here Mr.Lecroix begins to explain the "golden ratio" that can somehow keep PMM's out of cog...I've got a few more ideas on this that I'll try to post soon.

I firmly belive that PMM's will be the only way for future generations to enjoy anything close to prosperity, and i believe that it will be the intrepid weekend warriors, the tinkerers and the out-of-box thinkers that will eventually solve this riddle. What we can all hope for in the end is an open-source design that costs under $5000 to build or buy. Let's get one in every single family home across the globe - free power for all.

P.S. If any of you have not yet read the following, please do so: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
This website was all the motivation that i needed to start persuing this topic.
Sincerely - nightwynd.

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The parendev is dead for now
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 12:30:50 AM »
The Perendev motor is not being produced because it infringes on three other patons out there from the US.
 All three patons out there are still valid.
There are two WO patons that are being infringes also.
I personally know of three patons pending that predates the Parendev by a few years. 
This would be Remsource out of Owasso, Oklahoma. Email/// remsource1@hotmail.com
Troy Reed has been working with Remsource for many years to do so.
They are getting ready to release the motor that   
The Perendev motor could not be because of many legal reasons of infringement

Offline Rosphere

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 12:54:57 AM »
...getting ready to release the motor...

Sadly, many OU devices are still forever 'getting ready.'

Think it will be on the shelves in time for this holiday season?

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 12:54:57 AM »
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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 12:57:29 AM »
Hi!

You forgot to mention that the motor after you pay is not yours it is the company's. You just are paying for the right to use it.

Jesus

Offline utilitarian

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 01:35:41 AM »
Hi all, new to the forum here and hoping to be an active participant  :)
First off a question that i'm sure has been answered somewhere in the past, or perhaps not... Has anyone here figured out how Perendev's PMM (supposedly) works? Apparantly they are going global and full-scale with it soon.... for the low low price of 8500 Pounds (just over $17,000 Canadian) - ouch.
Here's the link if any of you want to check his site: www.perendev-power.com - there are videos here (not sceptic proof though)

Another link of note along the same lines: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Perendev:Jeffery_Lecroix
- Here Mr.Lecroix begins to explain the "golden ratio" that can somehow keep PMM's out of cog...I've got a few more ideas on this that I'll try to post soon.

I firmly belive that PMM's will be the only way for future generations to enjoy anything close to prosperity, and i believe that it will be the intrepid weekend warriors, the tinkerers and the out-of-box thinkers that will eventually solve this riddle. What we can all hope for in the end is an open-source design that costs under $5000 to build or buy. Let's get one in every single family home across the globe - free power for all.

P.S. If any of you have not yet read the following, please do so: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
This website was all the motivation that i needed to start persuing this topic.
Sincerely - nightwynd.

Perendev's motor is explained fully in the current edition of the Cambridge dictionary, under the entry for "gullible."

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 01:35:41 AM »
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Offline Joh70

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 11:02:45 AM »
...isn't it that they are not able to scale it to lead out significant power in Kilowatt-range. I know somebody, which has seen a running motor from Perendev not on a show but even in an personal audience in the office of perendev inventor. yes they are self-running. but these spectacular announced motors stop when they have to do real usefull work. the magnetic-effect is not controlled properly under load. so more investigation has to be done. maybe i am wrong.

an other possibility is, that they are got too anxious about illegal copying the device, which crashes buisness before getting back huge investments. or they supressed...

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 11:46:56 AM »
Permanent magnets can't do work! How hard is it to understand this? Any patent on the subject will forever just be a patent, and not a working device. Any attemt to make OU out of magnets ends up in lack of money ("Please donate us a lot of money so you can save the world from pollution - and make us very rich"), or the project was destroied by a little boy and it cannot be rebuilt - strange how parts and ideas dissappears with the destruction of a "working" model.

Well, that said. Never mind my opinion, but the only thing OU here is the HOPE.

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Offline Liberty

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 12:33:11 PM »
Permanent magnets can't do work! How hard is it to understand this? Any patent on the subject will forever just be a patent, and not a working device. Any attemt to make OU out of magnets ends up in lack of money ("Please donate us a lot of money so you can save the world from pollution - and make us very rich"), or the project was destroied by a little boy and it cannot be rebuilt - strange how parts and ideas dissappears with the destruction of a "working" model.

Well, that said. Never mind my opinion, but the only thing OU here is the HOPE.

Br.

Vidar

In my opinion, the design of a magnet motor determines whether work can be done or not.  If a motor uses it's strength to "plow" through opposing magnetic fields, it will take most all of the torque out of the motor and the end result is that it can do no work, even if it can spin (the null output that physics plainly shows).  I have measured torque output from my versions of power assisted motors.  They run with magnets in the rotor and stator and use a speaker that is power assisted.  A considerable amount of the output torque comes directly from magnets.

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 01:19:15 PM »

Perendev's motor doesn't work, of course. It seems readily apparent that his device makes use of these fields like mechanical springs.  The fields compress and expand producing a net drag. 

However, his device, like that of a fair number of other PM motor researchers, seems to be pointing the way toward a breakthrough roughly analogous to Griggs' hydrosonic pump.

Of course the more exciting breakthroughs are taking place on the nano scale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGGC-1g4S3Y


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« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 02:04:09 PM by TechStuf »

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 11:24:01 PM »
In my opinion, the design of a magnet motor determines whether work can be done or not.  If a motor uses it's strength to "plow" through opposing magnetic fields, it will take most all of the torque out of the motor and the end result is that it can do no work, even if it can spin (the null output that physics plainly shows).  I have measured torque output from my versions of power assisted motors.  They run with magnets in the rotor and stator and use a speaker that is power assisted.  A considerable amount of the output torque comes directly from magnets.
You don't get out more energy than you put in. As you say, you assist the magnets with a speaker driver, then ofcourse more magnets will increase the efficiency. A loudspeaker for home use have a typical efficiency of 1 - 5%, at most 30 - 40% of extremely high sensitivity speakers for PA use.
Anyway, magnets cannot provide energy, but they can provide greater kick and pull if assisted with electromagnets - like an electric motor utilize the magnets. If you quit the powersource, your engine will stop, so then where did the extra energy from the magnets go?

Many opinions regarding magnets. Regardless of that, they cannot do work without external energy manipulation - energy we all have to pay for.

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 01:20:51 AM »
You don't get out more energy than you put in. As you say, you assist the magnets with a speaker driver, then ofcourse more magnets will increase the efficiency. A loudspeaker for home use have a typical efficiency of 1 - 5%, at most 30 - 40% of extremely high sensitivity speakers for PA use.
Anyway, magnets cannot provide energy, but they can provide greater kick and pull if assisted with electromagnets - like an electric motor utilize the magnets. If you quit the powersource, your engine will stop, so then where did the extra energy from the magnets go?

Many opinions regarding magnets. Regardless of that, they cannot do work without external energy manipulation - energy we all have to pay for.

Br.

Vidar

I was curious at what electrical efficiency a 12" speaker would run at. 
Thank you for that information. 

As far as the motor not running when power is turned off, that is correct.  The  motor in the video will come to a stop and is designed to do so.  The motor is designed to run with power input assist. 

However, the next design is designed to use the strength of magnets to replace the power input to run the motor.

You might find this interesting:  The dual rotor motor (using two 12" speakers) shown in the video was measured close to 70% electrical efficiency using the prony brake method on the output of the motor. 

Thanks for your reply.

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 02:26:24 PM »
I was curious at what electrical efficiency a 12" speaker would run at. 
Thank you for that information. 

As far as the motor not running when power is turned off, that is correct.  The  motor in the video will come to a stop and is designed to do so.  The motor is designed to run with power input assist. 

However, the next design is designed to use the strength of magnets to replace the power input to run the motor.

You might find this interesting:  The dual rotor motor (using two 12" speakers) shown in the video was measured close to 70% electrical efficiency using the prony brake method on the output of the motor. 

Thanks for your reply.
Do you have a link to your video? I have seen your video somewhere, but I cannot find it.

Regarding the loudspeaker efficiency it is ofcourse the acoustic efficiency I was talking about - sorry for the mistake. 112 dB/1m at 1 watt input is 100% efficiency. 109dB/1m at 1 watt in is 50%, 106db - 25%, 103dB - 12,5%, 100dB - 6,25%, 97dB - 3,125%, etc...

The mechanical efficiency is in practice greater than the acoustic efficiency. However, the acoustic output can in theory be greater than 100% as dB (desiBel is a relative term) is the reference and has no final 0-point, but the mechanical work cannot exceed 100%.

Br.

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Offline ChileanOne

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 04:43:52 PM »
The very title of this thread is an oxymoron.

Perhaps Mike Brady was once a honest man seeking the good of mankind at some point of his life, but surely his frustration upon hiting the wall of "impossible" turned him into a sleak free energy scammer.

I do believe a PMM is possible, and Mike had one piece of the puzzle right, the problem is that the PMM was never meant to be built in a backyard, the underlying phenomena is darn tricky, but is there, and we will see it why. But not just yet.


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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 05:40:51 PM »
The picture of the Perendev unit from Perendev-Power (Mike Brady's site):

(http://www.perendev-power.com/grafiken/emot100k.jpg)

The picture of the real diesel genset (SDMO model TM11UCM) that he apparently ripped off and PhotoShopped to make the above picture:

(http://www.allworlddieselgen.com/images/M126.jpg)

I guess there are several possible explanations for this "coincidence". The one I prefer is that there are no authentic Perendev gensets available to be photographed. I wonder why not?

Offline Liberty

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Re: How does Perendev's motor work?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 07:00:18 PM »
Do you have a link to your video? I have seen your video somewhere, but I cannot find it.

Regarding the loudspeaker efficiency it is ofcourse the acoustic efficiency I was talking about - sorry for the mistake. 112 dB/1m at 1 watt input is 100% efficiency. 109dB/1m at 1 watt in is 50%, 106db - 25%, 103dB - 12,5%, 100dB - 6,25%, 97dB - 3,125%, etc...

The mechanical efficiency is in practice greater than the acoustic efficiency. However, the acoustic output can in theory be greater than 100% as dB (desiBel is a relative term) is the reference and has no final 0-point, but the mechanical work cannot exceed 100%.

Br.

Vdar

Sure, the movies can be seen from my web site (youtube based) http://www.dynamaticmotors.com or click the little 'world' under the Tesla picture on this site.  I can't remember what the db rating is, might be 89 or 102?  It's a 12" Sony speaker that was used for the actuator.

 

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