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ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #240 on: January 06, 2011, 02:00:15 PM »
I've got some one expanding on the water captret battery idea. This guy has the foil wrapped around the outside not touching anything and he gets some big bubbles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLLFk2DZXCA



I'm now trying to make a big enough water captret battery so that it will run some LED's.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #241 on: January 11, 2011, 08:26:17 PM »
You should try to make a BlackGate Non-Polarized Electrolytic Captret, http://www.partsconnexion.com/t/resources/blackgate/blackgate071a.pdf

BlackGate Super E-Caps, http://www.acoustic-dimension.com/blackgate/techEcap.htm

The BlackGate capacitors are no longer in production, but you may be able to find them on e-Bay.

GB

ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #242 on: January 14, 2011, 02:52:48 AM »
I took some time off from playing with the water captret battery; I could never find a good way to increase the voltage. I'm back at playing with capacitors and playing with the captret setup.

I noticed something interesting about the captret. I've have the captret + and - leads shorted out and my meter connected to the case and the negative lead. As would what anyone one would expect the voltage goes down when it is hooked up to the meter, but when i touch my finger to the case the voltage will start to go up. At first i thought i was grounding it and that caused it to go up, so instead i touched the other end of the alligator clip that is connected to the case and the voltage went down. So I’m not grounding it when i touch it, so what could be causing it to increase? At first i thought it was the "human electricity" that i was giving off, but then it hit me. I started to blow my hot air from my mouth on to it, and the voltage started to go up. Just to make sure I heated up my hot glue gun, and placed the side of it where it gets hot on to the top of the capacitor and the voltage started going up. It seems the Captret or better yet capacitors are also thermocouples.

Being a thermocouple it could be gathering the radiant heat that sounds up constantly and this could be the reason also for the self-charging we see in the captret circuits. This thermal couple effect could also be the reason why capacitors manage to have a voltage even when shorted out. But this is not that surprising when you start considering current thermal couples and how they function. You see normal thermal couples rely on two DISIMILAR metals while the capacitor has to similar metals but yet still gives off electricity. This also goes along with what I’ve been saying about the water captret batteries; even though they have similar metal they're giving off electricity. It also seems that i may have answered my own question about the water captret battery on how to get more voltage, just add more heat! It seems there is no mystery when it comes to the captret and its extra energy; it’s getting its extra energy from the radiant heat that surrounds us constantly. As for my water captret batteries, they're thermocouples. Not just any thermal couple but what seems to be a very different kind, as you have read my thermal couple uses two of the same metals while normal thermal couples used two dissimilar metals. As seen here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple

You can test this yourself.
I shorted out a 220uF 50V capacitors + and - leads. Connected my meters - probe to the - of the capacitor and the + of my meter went to the case of the capacitor. The voltage was low, around .700 volts but when i touched with my hand or something hot the voltage slowly went up instead of down.

So technically the captret got its extra energy from radiant energy that surrounds us at all time, no matter where you go there is some type of heat.

altrez

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #243 on: January 15, 2011, 08:26:56 PM »
Hello,

I think I have replicated the Captret but it does not seem to work? The LED does light but it drains the battery it never has put an extra charge on it? The battery charging circuit I am using on three different size caps will not put a charge in the battery? How long should I wait, its been 3 days?

Here are some pics of my Captrets,

-Altrez

ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #244 on: January 15, 2011, 10:33:41 PM »
Hello,

I think I have replicated the Captret but it does not seem to work? The LED does light but it drains the battery it never has put an extra charge on it? The battery charging circuit I am using on three different size caps will not put a charge in the battery? How long should I wait, its been 3 days?

Here are some pics of my Captrets,

-Altrez



It looks like you're trying to make the "Captret LED Driver Circuit". The Original LED driver circuit was never for overuinty, just to show a different way to run a LED. What made it so different was the way it used the power. When you hook up a normal LED light to a battery the voltage will just keep going down, while the captret caused the voltage to go down but it would reach a certain voltage and start to climb back up but never higher than the original standing voltage.

From the looks of your picture you do have it setup wrong, or at least different than what i normally did. The negative of the battery goes to the case and the positive goes to the positive of the capacitors. The LED's + goes to the capacitor + and the LED's - goes to the - of the capacitor. Make sure that you use a LED and i'll include a simple diagram of the "captret led driver circuit" below.


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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #245 on: January 16, 2011, 12:47:54 AM »
Hello!

Can you please post a diagram for how I should have my battery chargers hooked up? I think there wrong as well. I cant get any battery / Cap combo I have tried to charge a dead battery.

Thank you so very much.

-Altrez

ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #246 on: January 16, 2011, 05:35:40 AM »
Hello!

Can you please post a diagram for how I should have my battery chargers hooked up? I think there wrong as well. I cant get any battery / Cap combo I have tried to charge a dead battery.

Thank you so very much.

-Altrez


if you're tying to charge batteries with the captret then there's more than one way. You can start from the beginning of this thread or http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6684-captret-perpetual-light-dead-batteries.html

I and many others have found many ways to charge batteries, but the charge was slow. Even though i and many others could get a battery to charge at no loss the charge was very little.

There simple things like this you can try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbn4vede2us

if you want to really get into the charging then you should check out what Plengo's doing here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10175.0

there's not just one thing you can try but many things! The captret was merely to get people to think and come up with uses for it, i never expect it to be a battery charger. As for your current setup it might be the capacitors, some work better than others. I find that 220uF 50v capacitors work great for some things, try to avoid super caps too.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #247 on: January 16, 2011, 06:38:10 AM »
Hi Folks,

I have a very stupid question. I hope you don't mind.

What is the easiest way to permanently connect the "O" pin of an electrolytic capacitor?

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #248 on: January 16, 2011, 07:49:13 AM »
if you want to really get into the charging then you should check out what Plengo's doing here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10175.0

According to Plengo, there is no charging in his experiment.

I have bad news updates. Switching the batteries total voltage went DOWN. Now it is about 14.67v way below the initial 18v.

Sooooo, I think this design is not working.

Thanks to all for the support and the ideas.

Fausto.

GB

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #249 on: January 18, 2011, 12:08:45 PM »
Hi Blue Planet
What is the easiest way to permanently connect the "O" pin of an electrolytic capacitor?

I heat a bare wire with my solder iron and drop some solder on it. I While there is still a hot droplet on the wire I quickly press it against some cold steel. The solder will not adhere to the cold steel but will stick to th ehot wire. This gives me a wide and flat connection at the end of the wire. I then palce the wire at the O position and use liquid tape to secure the wire and lead contact to the capacitor.
Bizzy




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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #250 on: January 18, 2011, 12:11:48 PM »
Ibpointless2
Thanks so much for all the usefull help on the captret. As I mentioned above I am trying to duplicate the captret effect and charger. No success yet but I am confident I will.
Thanks again
Bizzy

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #251 on: January 18, 2011, 09:28:33 PM »
Ibpointless2
I was able to get my captret circuit working this afternoon. This is a very exciting circuit to work with.
Thanks
Bizzy

ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #252 on: January 19, 2011, 01:45:14 PM »
Ibpointless2
I was able to get my captret circuit working this afternoon. This is a very exciting circuit to work with.
Thanks
Bizzy

What did you do wrong? and which one are you working on?

Bizzy

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #253 on: January 19, 2011, 06:31:57 PM »
Hi Ibpointless
I have been working  in replicating your designs as well as lasersaber's
Actually the problem was with my leads. I have been using them so often on so many experiments and various projects the solder  connection broke. I replaced the bad lead and it works now although not as well as others
What is the best capacitor you would recommend for the captretI have been using electrolytic 50 volts 100 uf
Thanks
Bizzy

ibpointless2

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #254 on: January 20, 2011, 01:39:12 AM »
Hi Ibpointless
I have been working  in replicating your designs as well as lasersaber's
Actually the problem was with my leads. I have been using them so often on so many experiments and various projects the solder  connection broke. I replaced the bad lead and it works now although not as well as others
What is the best capacitor you would recommend for the captretI have been using electrolytic 50 volts 100 uf
Thanks
Bizzy


Its hard to say which capacitors are the best to use. Some say high voltage caps work best if you're after the self charging. The caps i used where...

1uF 400v
220uf 50v
10000uf 50v
2.2uf 50v

Try to stay away from super caps