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plengo

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #210 on: December 28, 2010, 03:13:40 AM »
I started a new thread about the Captret and Tesla Switch experiment.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10175.msg268501#msg268501

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #211 on: December 28, 2010, 03:17:55 PM »
I don't think my Water captret is really a water captret, but it does show some capacitor and electret effect it just i don't want to confuse people with names. I name things the way i see it, and the water captret is just water and it acts like a capacitor and a electret so the name might stick. But for the record the water captret and the regular captret are two different thing that happen to be very same, if that makes any sense.

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

So in-fact the water captret are merely batteries, when used produce hydrogen. So that voltage amiplication i was seeing in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGQmHY0ervQ was merely do to the fact that the water captret is a battery that was put in series to give me more voltage. So if you think this who experiment is a bust, you're forgetting that in order to have a water battery you needed two dissimilar metals but yet the water captret is the same metals that use regular old tap water- this is amazing.

The water captrets can be used by them selfs as batteries and they can be hooked in parallel and charge a capacitor too. when you do use them bubbles start to form on the pates and i believe they're hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. Whats even more crazy is that you can short the water captret out and bubbles will start form, so even when shorted its producing power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITf0zNdNK0M
its crazy to think that you can make hydrogen without any power needed.

So this is what i've seen so far, its easy to copy this experiment and cheap too so please do try yourself.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #212 on: December 30, 2010, 12:58:44 AM »
As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

So in-fact the water captret are merely batteries, when used produce hydrogen. So that voltage amiplication i was seeing in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGQmHY0ervQ was merely do to the fact that the water captret is a battery that was put in series to give me more voltage. So if you think this who experiment is a bust, you're forgetting that in order to have a water battery you needed two dissimilar metals but yet the water captret is the same metals that use regular old tap water- this is amazing.

It's a bust, because you don't need two dissimilar metals in order to have a water battery, as you can see from the below excerpt from the Variable Electrolytic Capacitor publication, http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/varelec.htm

Quote from: Baking Soda Variable Electrolytic Capacitor Publication

Both electrodes can be aluminum if you want to make a capacitor capable of working with ac voltages.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #213 on: December 30, 2010, 01:11:53 AM »
It’s all starting to make sense now.

I’ve been playing with a type of water battery that is very different than the ordinary water battery in that it uses the same metals and not dis-similar metals that other water batteries use. With this water battery I’m able to get voltage when both plates are put in water. Both plates are Aluminum foil, ones thicker than the other and the size of them affect it too. With these water batteries they can be shorted out for long periods of time and once you take the short off they still have the same voltage.

So why is this important?

Well if we look at the Capacitor we’ll start seeing some similarities. Both a capacitor and my water battery (water captret) have plates that are the same metal and which is aluminum. Both Hold voltage and the amount of voltage are dependent on the thickness and size. So what happens when you short out a capacitor? There’s a mysterious bounce back of voltage, as if it is just like the water battery (water captret).  So now it’s all making sense, the water battery (water captret) is just a brother (if not clone) of the capacitor. Water captret effect would explain why capacitors gain voltage even though they were shorted out; it’s due to the aluminum plates in the liquid.

Now time for a little more craziness. Those of you who know about me I’ve started this thing called the captret, it’s basically takes one capacitor and gives another Lead by using the case. So the case of a capacitor is aluminum too and at a different size than the aluminum inside the capacitor, and since its aluminum I can use it to get voltage too. Since the water captret is just a capacitor I can easily make it a captret too just by adding another piece of aluminum of different size. So I can have the water captret have one positive plate and two, three, four, or however many negative plates as I want with each producing their own voltage.

This is just must me putting forth why I think capacitors have a spontaneous self-charge on them even when left shorted out. I’ve come to this conclusion due to my studies of the Water captret “water battery” use of similar metals.  Hope this helps others in their confusion with capacitors; it seems they’re much simpler and much more complicated than once thought. Now all we got to do is figure out why two similar metals give a voltage.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #214 on: December 30, 2010, 01:23:45 AM »
Hi Ib if the two pieces of foil are not exactly the same mass, one will give to the less to be equall................shylo

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #215 on: December 30, 2010, 03:24:31 PM »
So why do Captrets and Capacitors seem to have a self charging effect when they are shorted out?

I propose the idea with my Water capterts, basically the same as a Capacitor and can easily be made like a captret. Both the water captret and capacitors and captrets have aluminium plates in them separated by a liquid. Depending on the sizes of the plates and mass will determine the voltage, and better yet the "free energy" from the self charging.

The capacitor is just like a battery, mainly water battery, but a battery none the less. Like a battery it can charge and hold a charge. But when a capacitor is shorted out it can still have voltage in it, but how? It has to do with the aluminium plates in the liquid. The plates are producing the voltage, as to why i'm not fully sure. When a water captret is shorted out it, it  still has voltage still in it, and actually works better when it was left shorted out.

So The reason why So many people see the self charging is very simple, the Captret is a battery. But its not any normal battery, as you see the capacitors can last a long time so the captret can be used as a battery for a long time. Also applying Voltage to the system will give a higher output due to the fact that the captret is a battery and that could be the reason why captret can self charge. So by scaling up i'm going to make Water Captret into water batteries.

I don't mean to destroy my Captret Effect mystery as this is only my Theory of the Captret. I'll look more into the Baptret (Battery, capacitor, electret - i'm playing with words) in future videos.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #216 on: December 30, 2010, 05:55:38 PM »
The capacitor is just like a battery, mainly water battery, but a battery none the less. Like a battery it can charge and hold a charge. But when a capacitor is shorted out it can still have voltage in it, but how? It has to do with the aluminium plates in the liquid. The plates are producing the voltage, as to why i'm not fully sure. When a water captret is shorted out it, it  still has voltage still in it, and actually works better when it was left shorted out.

There's a thin coating of oxide which forms on the aluminum plates, which forms a virtual diode.  Here's an excerpt from wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifier#Electrolytic

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The electrolytic rectifier was an early device from the 1900s that is no longer used. When two different metals are suspended in an electrolyte solution, it can be found that direct current flowing one way through the metals has less resistance than the other direction. These most commonly used an aluminum anode, and a lead or steel cathode, suspended in a solution of tri-ammonium ortho-phosphate.

The rectification action is due to a thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode, formed by first applying a strong current to the cell to build up the coating. The rectification process is temperature sensitive, and for best efficiency should not operate above 86 °F (30 °C). There is also a breakdown voltage where the coating is penetrated and the cell is short-circuited. Electrochemical methods are often more fragile than mechanical methods, and can be sensitive to usage variations which can drastically change or completely disrupt the rectification processes.

Similar electrolytic devices were used as lightning arresters around the same era by suspending many aluminium cones in a tank of tri-ammomium ortho-phosphate solution. Unlike the rectifier, above, only aluminium electrodes were used, and used on A.C., there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action, but the chemistry was similar.

The modern electrolytic capacitor, an essential component of most rectifier circuit configurations was also developed from the electrolytic rectifier.

The difference between the term diode and the term rectifier is merely one of usage.  The thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode is the virtual diode which has already been brought to your attention by others.  Also, please take note once again from the above quote that both electrodes can be aluminum.  There is no mystery in how the captret or water battery is working.

GB
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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #217 on: December 30, 2010, 06:40:27 PM »
There's a thin coating of oxide which forms on the aluminum plates, which forms a virtual diode.  Here's an excerpt from wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifier#Electrolytic

The difference between the term diode and the term rectifier is merely one of usage.  The thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode is the virtual diode which has already been brought to your attention by others.  Also, please take note once again from the above quote that both electrodes can be aluminum.  There is no mystery in how the captret is working.

GB


What i find weird about the link you sent me is that they only used aluminum plates in AC currents because there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action. I'm getting polarization on the cells, the bigger and thinner one positive and the thick little one is negative. And there original one in the link you sent deals with a water battery type where they use two dissimilar metals to make a diode, which makes sense because of galvanic reaction creates its own voltage. But I'm not using two dissimilar metals i'm using aluminum and i'm getting polarization too unlike what the link said about them using similar metals because they use them in AC currents and mostly used for lightning arresters. I understand what you're saying, both plates can be the same, but why they made them the same was to make it work with AC and i'm not dealing with AC but DC nor am i dealing with diodes or rectifiers. The problem that has yet to be answer is why the same metal plates put into same water would create voltage. That voltage that's created gives us the self charging we see in the captrets and capacitors because in fact they're batteries.

I don't believe the Captret or water captret are rectifiers, but batteries.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #218 on: December 30, 2010, 07:07:30 PM »

What i find weird about the link you sent me is that they only used aluminum plates in AC currents because there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action. I'm getting polarization on the cells, the bigger and thinner one positive and the thick little one is negative. And there original one in the link you sent deals with a water battery type where they use two dissimilar metals to make a diode, which makes sense because of galvanic reaction creates its own voltage. But I'm not using two dissimilar metals i'm using aluminum and i'm getting polarization too unlike what the link said about them using similar metals because they use them in AC currents and mostly used for lightning arresters. I understand what you're saying, both plates can be the same, but why they made them the same was to make it work with AC and i'm not dealing with AC but DC nor am i dealing with diodes or rectifiers. The problem that has yet to be answer is why the same metal plates put into same water would create voltage. That voltage that's created gives us the self charging we see in the captrets and capacitors because in fact they're batteries.

I don't believe the Captret or water captret are rectifiers, but batteries.

Wrong.  The original one in the link I sent about the water battery says both electrodes can be aluminum.  I suggest you to re-read the link. The thin layer of oxide which forms on the aluminum plate makes it act like a diode. You re-discovered the electrolytic rectifier.  Congratulations!

GB

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #219 on: December 30, 2010, 07:21:02 PM »
Wrong.  The original one in the link I sent about the water battery says both electrodes can be aluminum.  I suggest you to re-read the link. The thin layer of oxide which forms on the aluminum plate makes it act like a diode. You re-discovered the electrolytic rectifier.  Congratulations!

GB

You keep forgetting that i'm not using it as a rectifier. I'm using it as a battery. A battery and rectifier are two very different things.

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« Reply #220 on: December 30, 2010, 08:25:56 PM »
You keep forgetting that i'm not using it as a rectifier. I'm using it as a battery. A battery and rectifier are two very different things.

It doesn't matter.  Without the thin layers of oxide, then it's just a battery.  With the thin layers of oxide, then it's an electrolytic rectifier.  I can't make it any more clearer to you than this.

GB

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #221 on: December 30, 2010, 09:00:52 PM »
It doesn't matter.  Without the thin layers of oxide, then it's just a battery.  With the thin layers of oxide, then it's an electrolytic rectifier.  I can't make it any more clearer to you than this.

GB

I'm sorry it does matter. A rectifier or diode blocks electricity from flowing in a certain direction. A battery gives you the electricity. I don't see how you're mistaking a diode for a battery, both are really different. Also this effect is not only limited to aluminum but Brass also does the same-thing too.

If you look at what it says "only aluminium electrodes were used, and used on A.C., there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action". It clearly says that when you use only aluminum electrodes there was no RECTIFIER ACTION, so even they say its not a rectifier when aluminum is only used.

You are confusing the process of using dissimilar metals with non dissimilar metals. When they used Aluminum with another metal electrode like lead they would - "The rectification action is due to a thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode, formed by first applying a strong current to the cell to build up the coating". I'm not not applying any current to them. The water captret is giving off voltage, just like a battery would and not blocking it like a diode would.

Like i said i don't understand how you're confusing a battery with a diode.

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« Reply #222 on: December 30, 2010, 09:55:44 PM »
I'm sorry it does matter. A rectifier or diode blocks electricity from flowing in a certain direction. A battery gives you the electricity. I don't see how you're mistaking a diode for a battery, both are really different. Also this effect is not only limited to aluminum but Brass also does the same-thing too.

If you look at what it says "only aluminium electrodes were used, and used on A.C., there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action". It clearly says that when you use only aluminum electrodes there was no RECTIFIER ACTION, so even they say its not a rectifier when aluminum is only used.

You are confusing the process of using dissimilar metals with non dissimilar metals. When they used Aluminum with another metal electrode like lead they would - "The rectification action is due to a thin coating of aluminum hydroxide on the aluminum electrode, formed by first applying a strong current to the cell to build up the coating". I'm not not applying any current to them. The water captret is giving off voltage, just like a battery would and not blocking it like a diode would.

Like i said i don't understand how you're confusing a battery with a diode.

I'm not confusing a battery with a diode.  An electrolytic capacitor has a thin layer of oxide on the aluminum.  When you connect this electrolytic capacitor in the "captret mode", then the capacitor will act as an electrolytic rectifier when the breakdown voltage of this thin layer of oxide is exceeded (This is exactly how an electrolytic rectifier functions).  The water battery with no oxide layer on the aluminum is just a battery. Add an electrolytic solution, such as borax or baking soda, to this water battery and it can now act as an electrolytic rectifier just like an electrolytic capacitor connected in the "captret mode".

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Unlike the rectifier, above, only aluminium electrodes were used, and used on A.C., there was no polarization and thus no rectifier action, but the chemistry was similar.

There may not have been any rectifier action with AC, but you convieniently left out how the chemistry was similar.  The water battery is producing it's voltage from a difference in surface area of the aluminum plates.  Since the water battery is producing DC from this potential difference in surface area, then if there is a thin layer of oxide it will lead to a rectifier action if the breakdown voltage of this thin layer is exceeded.  An electrolytic capacitor connected in the "captret mode" is nothing more than an electroyltic rectifier.

GB

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #223 on: December 30, 2010, 10:08:58 PM »
Since the water battery is producing DC from this potential difference in surface area, then if there is a thin layer of oxide it will lead to a rectifier action if the breakdown voltage of this thin layer is exceeded.  An electrolytic capacitor connected in the "captret mode" is nothing more than an electroyltic rectifier.

GB

Should be fairly simple to test this theory by using two identical size strips of aluminum

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #224 on: December 30, 2010, 10:19:12 PM »
I would like to point something out that was brought to my attention on one of my youtube videos. Since i said that aluminum and brass works Mrb00k5 had pointed out to me that both aluminum and brass are paramagnetic metals and i know for a fact that water is diamagnetic. Could this be the reason why i get voltage from my water captret?

Mrbr00k5 also pointed out that copper is paramagnetic too, and it does work.

I'm glad he pointed that out, all possibilities are welcomed.