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hartiberlin

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #195 on: December 17, 2010, 02:16:52 AM »
Hi,
I just tested myself this setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfbrVHWJwpc

but with just my 2700 uF 35 Volts cap.

This principle works, but you basically transfer the charge from the main capacitor
to the "stray capacitor" which is the case versus the positive pin.

When you connect the negative pin with the case, you transfer charges from there to the
case<->positive lead "stray capacitor".

The most effective range is , when the main cap has about 2 Volts and if you use a red LED with about
a threshold voltage of around 1.6 Volts.

Then you can somehow maintain the charge in the main capacitor and recharge many times
"the stray capacitor" from around 1.33 Volts to again 1.99 and then through the LED this
"the stray capacitor" is again discharged.

But after a while the main capacitor is also going down and this effect will die.

This really needs a more quantitative analysis by measuring the energies going back and forth
to see, if there is really coming more energy out this way.

ibpointless used a 10 Farad supercap for this, so this seems to hold much longer the
main voltage.
Also it might have a better "stray capacitor" than my 2700 uF cap.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Groundloop, great success, I also guess it would be much easier to selfbuild
a few caps. Maybe one could also use a "3 plate" cap with just build from Alifoil
with trashbin plastic foil between it.
These trashbin plastic foils are very electrostatic and if you make yourself such
a 3 foil cap and heat it up in an oil bath and apply high voltage to it during
cooling, you could make it into some kind of electret capacitor which
probably will better selfcharge later on when used like this here.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #196 on: December 17, 2010, 02:26:49 AM »
Hi,
I just tested myself this setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfbrVHWJwpc

but with just my 2700 uF 35 Volts cap.

This principle works, but you basically transfer the charge from the main capacitor
to the "stray capacitor" which is the case versus the positive pin.

When you connect the negative pin with the case, you transfer charges from there to the
case<->positive lead "stray capacitor".

The most effective range is , when the main cap has about 2 Volts and if you use a red LED with about
a threshold voltage of around 1.6 Volts.

Then you can somehow maintain the charge in the main capacitor and recharge many times
"the stray capacitor" from around 1.33 Volts to again 1.99 and then through the LED this
"the stray capacitor" is again discharged.

But after a while the main capacitor is also going down and this effect will die.

This really needs a more quantitative analysis by measuring the energies going back and forth
to see, if there is really coming more energy out this way.

ibpointless used a 10 Farad supercap for this, so this seems to hold much longer the
main voltage.
Also it might have a better "stray capacitor" than my 2700 uF cap.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Groundloop, great success, I also guess it would be much easier to selfbuild
a few caps. Maybe one could also use a "3 plate" cap with just build from Alifoil
with trashbin plastic foil between it.
These trashbin plastic foils are very electrostatic and if you make yourself such
a 3 foil cap and heat it up in an oil bath and apply high voltage to it during
cooling, you could make it into some kind of electret capacitor which
probably will better selfcharge later on when used like this here.

The trick is standing voltage. Take a 10 farad super cap and charge up to 2 volts or more if you capacitor will allow it. Now let the capacitor sit untouched and not connected to anything for at least 12 hours.

Have you tried this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqC8nAjoAVc
I think i charged it up the night before to around 6 volts, its a 220uF 50 capacitor.

I'll be posting a new video about this spontaneous charging in capacitors on youtube in a few.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #197 on: December 17, 2010, 06:58:09 AM »
ibpointless,

You said,
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I'll be posting a new video about this spontaneous charging in capacitors on youtube in a few.

Are you talking about the effect of a previously charged dielectric capacitor charging itself ? (no battery connected after a dead short)

      If so, there is a name for it.
      It is called Di-electric Absorption .
      Of Course, it is explained away as some remnant charge from the previous charging.

      However, after noticing this effect in the same 330uf  300 V Cap for over a year... I think there is more to it.
                     (it charges to over 3 volts in a few weeks by itself... maybe to 1 volt in a day or so)
              --> My take is that a permanent electric field is set up which moves electrons for 'free'. <--

I appreciate all you have done, as well as the other contributors.

Best Regards,
                    The Observer

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #198 on: December 17, 2010, 12:08:11 PM »
ibpointless,

You said,
Are you talking about the effect of a previously charged dielectric capacitor charging itself ? (no battery connected after a dead short)

      If so, there is a name for it.
      It is called Di-electric Absorption .
      Of Course, it is explained away as some remnant charge from the previous charging.

      However, after noticing this effect in the same 330uf  300 V Cap for over a year... I think there is more to it.
                     (it charges to over 3 volts in a few weeks by itself... maybe to 1 volt in a day or so)
              --> My take is that a permanent electric field is set up which moves electrons for 'free'. <--

I appreciate all you have done, as well as the other contributors.

Best Regards,
                    The Observer


I see dielectric absorption is when you deplete a capacitor and the voltage bounces back up. In my experiments i try to get rid of dielectric absorption by letting the capacitor sit over night so that it can get a standing voltage in it. I don't think dielectric absorption can explain this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbn4vede2us

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #199 on: December 17, 2010, 04:54:32 PM »
@All,

It is not dielectric absorption. I have already shorted out the + and - wires
on my setup and my capacitors are brand new. I have never charged them.
Still I get a repeatable charge up of voltage in the capacitors after each
discharge. Since my capacitors are shorted all the time then there is
no potential voltage difference between the two capacitor plates, only between
the two shorted wires=roll of aluminum and the aluminum can.

ibpointless2 have discovered and shared with the rest of us an important
effect about electrolytic capacitors, and I thank him for that.

Alex.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #200 on: December 17, 2010, 08:10:57 PM »
Ibpointless,

You said,
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i try to get rid of dielectric absorption by letting the capacitor sit over night so that it can get a standing voltage in it.

Because I have observed the 'Dielectric Absorption' effect in a Cap that hasn't been charged in a year,
discharged many times,
I'm skeptical that you can ever get rid of the voltage. (which is good news)

I'm not being a nay-sayer however...
I think you are brilliant and have great work ethic when it comes to discovering USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy).
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         I have an idea you are welcome to play off of. (or anyone else)
                                            Shortly,

                          The Camera Circuit Captret

1. A simple disposable camera circuit can charge a 300 uf  350 V cap..
    to ~ 100 V...
    in about 1 second...
    from a 1.5 V battery !
 * I believe this to be a very interesting feat in itself, but anyways.*

2. If the Captret works off the charge held inside a Cap,
    then perhaps an efficient way to charge the Captret from a 1.5 V Battery,
    would be to use the Camera Circuit (intermittently charging the Captret with a voltage regulator).
    (it does come with just about everything needed, and all hooked up... Battery... Circuit... and 1 'Large' Cap)

    - note Use Rubber Gloves... any disposable camera could be used as a weapon due to the high voltages.

3. You can get just about as many FREE Disposable Cameras as you want by going to Walgreens and the like.
    Kindly ask photo clerk if you can take some out of the recycle box. (obviously, the film is not in the cameras).
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Groundloop,

Thanks for the post and your work.
I thought I'd throw that (Dielectric Absorption) out there since it has not been mentioned yet.
I realize that there is something else at play here, but the reasons for that and Dielectric Absorption may be related.
That is, an electric field is setup which moves electrons for 'free' (my theory).

Perhaps a Camera Circuit could be used to Charge your Setup from       a Small Voltage Source (1.5 V)..
                                                                                                       to a High Voltage in a very short time.
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Best Regards,
                     The Observer

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #201 on: December 17, 2010, 10:17:20 PM »


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbn4vede2us


Seems the 2 caps in parallel have increased their stored energy of around 200 mikroWattsseconds, when they were at the end at 0.902 Volts together.

Could be, that the contact material of the zinced croco cables with the copper leads
or soldering of the leads produces very small diode effects
because of the dissimular metals and this rectfies
the RF from mobile phones and other background radiation  that is captured by the cables.

Would be interesting to see, if the same will hapen,
if you solder the 2 caps together in parallel and just charge them up to around  0.948 Volts
and let them stay there  for a few hours and then see, if they will
go again over 0.9 Volts ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #202 on: December 18, 2010, 03:07:24 AM »

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #203 on: December 22, 2010, 05:23:29 PM »
For what it's worth, I tried the electrolytic across the battery idea - a charged 9V NiMH that was left standing for a few days.  My cap was one of my 'best performers' for developing a voltage off the case with both normal leads shorted, 1000uF 16V rating.

Start Voltage 9.59V
Day 1            9.54V
Day 2            9.48V
Day 3            9.46V

It doesn't look promising...

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #204 on: December 26, 2010, 02:50:56 AM »
For what it's worth, I tried the electrolytic across the battery idea - a charged 9V NiMH that was left standing for a few days.  My cap was one of my 'best performers' for developing a voltage off the case with both normal leads shorted, 1000uF 16V rating.

Start Voltage 9.59V
Day 1            9.54V
Day 2            9.48V
Day 3            9.46V

It doesn't look promising...


once a capacitor is full it becomes a open circuit and no power should be consumed.

Set the captret idea aside and take a capacitor that is less than 100uF and is above 35 volts and hook it up to a 9 volt battery; positive of the capacitor goes to the positive of the capacitor and the negative of the battery goes to the negative of the capacitor. Now leave it in a place where it can be touched or moved around, make a good place for it to sit for a month or so. Be sure to record the standing voltage on the battery before connecting it.

The voltage on the battery should go down when you connect the capacitor, but should slowly climb back up to the standing voltage. Just leave it for a few weeks to a month and record the voltage daily if you can.

If the voltage goes down over time then something is wrong, it should stay the same or go up due to the fact that the capacitor is full and is now a open circuit.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #205 on: December 27, 2010, 03:08:19 AM »
Hi everyone This is Titus good day and merry new year  ;D

I just drop by and i want to share some weird thinking of mine that, what if we change the cover of the Battery instead of a plastic then change it to metal then place a connection to that metal plate cover as third source like captret?

if in captret give us short free energy then i think maybe i'm not yet sure but just a wild thinking, battery can give us more energy.  8)

AND if we are lucky this is another door ok.  8)

MERRY CHRISTMASS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR  :)

OTITS L. NOICARO reporting  ;D   

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #206 on: December 27, 2010, 04:25:14 AM »
Captret updates.

I have been also testing this "captret" and in one of my experiments I am trying to utilize the "excess energy" in short periods of time directly to a battery. I simply switch from 2 sets of captrets back and forth into a lead acid battery.

Voltages are my measurement for the "state of charge of the battery". An LED is used when the "excess energy" is directed back to the driving batteries, in essence getting free light for no measurable cost.

My premise is that if the battery voltage does not go down but goes up in a long run (at least a week) I think I can consider the voltage as a first proof of free energy (at least enough proof to show that the battery is not being consumed).

Diagram attached. Video will be posted soon on my youtube channel.

Fausto.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #207 on: December 27, 2010, 01:06:03 PM »
Captret updates.

I have been also testing this "captret" and in one of my experiments I am trying to utilize the "excess energy" in short periods of time directly to a battery. I simply switch from 2 sets of captrets back and forth into a lead acid battery.

Voltages are my measurement for the "state of charge of the battery". An LED is used when the "excess energy" is directed back to the driving batteries, in essence getting free light for no measurable cost.

My premise is that if the battery voltage does not go down but goes up in a long run (at least a week) I think I can consider the voltage as a first proof of free energy (at least enough proof to show that the battery is not being consumed).

Diagram attached. Video will be posted soon on my youtube channel.

Fausto.

Just remember that if you are using an external power to activate S1 then you dont have free energy at all.

Jesus

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #208 on: December 27, 2010, 03:30:31 PM »
Sure. Baby steps my friend. First one see if works than improves on the idea.

Fausto.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #209 on: December 27, 2010, 11:08:30 PM »

once a capacitor is full it becomes a open circuit and no power should be consumed.

Set the captret idea aside and take a capacitor that is less than 100uF and is above 35 volts and hook it up to a 9 volt battery; positive of the capacitor goes to the positive of the capacitor and the negative of the battery goes to the negative of the capacitor. Now leave it in a place where it can be touched or moved around, make a good place for it to sit for a month or so. Be sure to record the standing voltage on the battery before connecting it.

The voltage on the battery should go down when you connect the capacitor, but should slowly climb back up to the standing voltage. Just leave it for a few weeks to a month and record the voltage daily if you can.

If the voltage goes down over time then something is wrong, it should stay the same or go up due to the fact that the capacitor is full and is now a open circuit.

Apart from my cap specs being not in line with your recommendations, I am doing pretty much everything else right.  Are you referring to alkaline/zinc-carbon (ie. non-rechargables) batteries?  Rechargeables won't have a standing voltage 'cos most have an appreciable drop in voltage in relatively short time periods due to their slow constant discharge.

And my rechargeable's voltage keeps falling (as expected) - a few more  days and it's down to 9.37V

I will try with another cap that's more in line with your recommendations though - when I sober-up... :D