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hidave

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2010, 04:36:41 PM »
Hi Dave,

Can we please have a link to this instructable ? Or at least a thread title ?

or maybe a diagram here.

I like the idea of being able to charge a battery using only a cap and diode.

Regards, Penno

Simple Free Energy Self Charging Battery Charger. No Diode, Just Electrolytic capacitor.
All Due credit goes to ibpointless2 , this is only my variant.

@All
My circuit is simple.
9v battery > + goes to capacitor +
battery - is attached tightly to housing of capacitor
capacitor - is connected to capacitor housing.

I use 250v 2200 uf electrolytic capacitor with bare metal housing, take off the film cover to expose aluminum casing, charge takes approx 5 hours for 9v battery. 5v-9.5
For faster charging, tank up more caps in series.


hidave

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2010, 04:40:19 PM »
USE PRECAUTION - I am not LIABLE for anything.

It is possible to construct a very large electrolytic cap quite easily.

Materials:
Roll of  paper - I use brown kraft paper, must withhold wet fluid. I soak paper in electrolyte for about 1 hr to get good saturation.
Roll of Mylar plastic
Electrolyte - 50% Antifreeze
ribbon wire
12 ga insulated wire for post.
Empty can with lid (paint can Hardware Store, remove inside paint with wire brush or paint strip acid, recycle canned food, aluminum soda cans etc. - best result with aluminum) .2" taller than paper.

Roll paper and mylar creating a spiral coil - bi-filar, Mylar must be shorter than paper as to avoid shorting if it contacts the top of the metal enclosure. Make sure that the plastic side face paper and the aluminum layer is inside. Keep the coil as tight as possible and make enough to fill the can leaving .2" space when placed inside the can.

Attach ribbon wire with cellophane tape to each side of the mylar film, ensuring that the wire cuts down at 90 degrees perpendicular to the coil. Attach ribbon when coil diameter reaches hole for conduction post, just like in a electrolytic cap. Drill 2 holes on can cap, hole size to tightly fit conduction wire. Finish wrapping the coil. Wrap the outside of the coil with cellophane tape securely and place in can. Solder ribbon to conduction post. Fill with electrolyte and cap the bottom end to prevent leakage.

I am testing electrolytes to see which one works best. Mylar is cellophane dielectric with aluminum coating. There are many peculiar electrochemical behaviors of Al such as self induction etc, I am testing acidic and alkaline electrolytes. Anyone got a link to more info will be greatly appreciated.

For charging 12v Lead Acid, you need to construct 1 gallon size caps, wire in series for faster charge time.
Pesto, Ultra captret
« Last Edit: November 13, 2010, 06:15:21 PM by hidave »

broli

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2010, 05:20:40 PM »
hidave I think in your excitement your post on the previous page got very confusion. I suggest you draw your stepwise setup rather than describe it with words. Anyway thanks for the diy cap explanation.

Edit: I attached a drawing of your supposed fast charger, can you tell if that's all it is?

Edit2: Corrected polarity.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2010, 05:57:30 PM by broli »

e2matrix

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2010, 05:29:33 PM »
hi hidave,  thanks for sharing your setup.  Can you say what exact diode number you use? 
   I also just have one suggestion that would further prove what you described.  Get two batteries at the same starting voltage.  Run both down to the same amount.  Put one in your circuit and let the other just sit.  Measure voltage on both after the one in the circuit is charged back up.  Most alkalines will recover a fair amount of voltage after sitting a while even though they are not quite as strong in providing current.  I think this needs to be ruled out before getting too excited about this.  I'll try getting time to do something like this. 
   Also thanks for the reminder on Cap building as I recently found a big roll of metalic mylar stuff at a garage sale.  I know it's a huge cap just waiting to be built :)

e2matrix

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2010, 05:32:16 PM »
broli,  I don't think you have polarities correct from what hidave said.  Thanks for the diagram but check the polarities.   I think it should be like this

broli

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #95 on: November 13, 2010, 05:45:21 PM »
broli,  I don't think you have polarities correct from what hidave said.  Thanks for the diagram but check the polarities.

You are correct. However this setup makes the led shine brightly too. It's crucial to connect the plus to the housing or else it won't light, or barely that is.

hidave

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2010, 05:53:52 PM »
broli,  I don't think you have polarities correct from what hidave said.  Thanks for the diagram but check the polarities.   I think it should be like this
no diode.

caps only.

Battery positive goes to cap positive.

Battery negative goes to cap housing, strip the film wrap off the cap exposing the exterior bare aluminum.

Cap negative goes to cap housing.

Rubber band holds 2 negative leads against the cap housing.  If using 4 caps, bundle them together secure tight with clamps or the like. Then wire caps in series with same setup, as above.

Thats it.

A bank of 4 x 250v 2200 uf caps wired in series will charge a dead 9v cell from 5v to 9.5v in 2-3 hrs. I've tried!.

This is an open circuit, that's how nature is, NON-LINEAR!!

hidave

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« Reply #97 on: November 13, 2010, 06:00:42 PM »
This picture might help.

hidave

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« Reply #98 on: November 13, 2010, 06:06:50 PM »
Capacitor Capacity is the key to fast charging. The BIGGER, the FASTER. Reminds me of Ossie's REAC.
We will probably need 5 Gallon bucket size Captret to charge each 12v Lead Acid in a manner comparable to conventional method.

Rigg up some capacitors and induce with current, different electrolytes produces different effects, even anti-gravity.

Here's a kick, make an electrolytic cap with copper foil/cellophane/paper bi-filar and use different electrolytes stating with saline. WOW!!!, that is Electrochemical Effect!!!!

Observe NATURE. Everything occurs in cycles. You are brainwashed to think in LINEAR way which is very wrong.

The electrolytic capacitor is no more than a bi-filar coil immersed in fluid. When DC current is passed through this coil, it causes effects which varies according to the molecules of the material. Such effects includes production of Induced CURRENT form electrolytic . That is our power source.

Electrochemical Induced Currents - old phenomena from 1877 believe it or not.

I'll leave Aether out to lessen the confusion.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2010, 06:30:37 PM by hidave »

broli

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« Reply #99 on: November 13, 2010, 06:16:52 PM »
A bank of 4 x 250v 2200 uf caps wired in series will charge a dead 9v cell from 5v to 9.5v in 2-3 hrs. I've tried!.

I assume you confirmed that this is true usable charge that can give as much (or more) joule energy as when it was conventionally charged?

hidave

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2010, 06:18:13 PM »
hidave I think in your excitement your post on the previous page got very confusion. I suggest you draw your stepwise setup rather than describe it with words. Anyway thanks for the diy cap explanation.

Edit: I attached a drawing of your supposed fast charger, can you tell if that's all it is?

Edit2: Corrected polarity.

CORRECT!!!

hidave

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2010, 06:22:03 PM »
I assume you confirmed that this is true usable charge that can give as much (or more) joule energy as when it was conventionally charged?

currently draining a charged battery with LED. Will let rest 24 hrs and recharge as requested by  ibpointless2

battery is very cold to the touch, these are regular alkaline batteries.

I'll do a controlled test later and post the joules data, or perhaps someone can do it?

e2matrix

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« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2010, 06:29:05 PM »
I just did a quick and dirty test on a 9 volt battery that has been sitting a couple days.  Start was 9.09 volts.  Hooked up a 330 uf electrolytic same as my diagram - no diode.  Voltage went down to 9.08 volts.  Didn't see any rise after a few minutes.  No time to check further right now but as I was saying I'm concerned about alkaline self recovery in this situation.  My quick test is not conclusive at all but just hints that it might be involved. 

hidave

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« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2010, 06:34:00 PM »
I just did a quick and dirty test on a 9 volt battery that has been sitting a couple days.  Start was 9.09 volts.  Hooked up a 330 uf electrolytic same as my diagram - no diode.  Voltage went down to 9.08 volts.  Didn't see any rise after a few minutes.  No time to check further right now but as I was saying I'm concerned about alkaline self recovery in this situation.  My quick test is not conclusive at all but just hints that it might be involved.

small caps takes long long time to notice gain, get a hold of 200v 2200 uf caps, PC power supply have some decent size caps. Or make your own. I have tried a 12 oz red bull can captret that I made, works very well.

plengo

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2010, 06:39:04 PM »
CORRECT!!!

I am confused now. PLEASE can you post a diagram (one of the above is ok) that is the ULTIMATE correct diagram hive? Not words but a diagram.

many thanks,

Fausto.