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Author Topic: Captret - Capacitor and Electret  (Read 282298 times)

Offline NickZ

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #315 on: July 12, 2011, 08:37:28 PM »
  In my Captret projects that I did about a year or so ago, I found that no matter how I used or wired the several 8 or 10 caps used, the load, especially if using more than a single led,  would always still drain the battery.
  Although there may be something to this Captret effect,  all I saw was bulging capacitors, and loss of both voltage as well as current in the batteries.
  Good luck with your tests.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #316 on: March 19, 2012, 03:12:00 AM »
Hey guys, just thought I'd add my 2.5 cents about some observations with the captret idea that ibpointless has posted, regarding my own observations from my own experiments.

While it is true the captret loves voltage, it does not like batteries connected in series as the source. I found that the captret can 'see' the source (if it is in series) and will always drain the cap and batteries.

I've found that the captret can power loads for an incredibly long time, but the end result is a totally dead battery.

I will give an example: purchased brand new energizer headlamp consisting of 3 high bright white LED and a single NIGHT Red LED.
It comes with 3x 1.5v batteries unsure of ma/h. It says on the packet that these brand new batteries will power the device on 'White' LED mode for 23 hours.

I connected up a 9v battery reading about 7v to capacitor in normal captret style to power the Light. (powered it in white led mode)
To be fair I'd say that the light coming out of the Device was around about 1/3 of what it would be if it was operated normally with all 3 batteries powering it.

I ran this light at same intensity of about 1/3 brightness for 970 hours,  then the light faded. When I disconnected the battery and measured it. It read in the millivolt range giving random readings. It was like every bit of energy was sucked out of it.

I've found the best use of the energy from the captret is connecting a cap directly to the battery as you would normally to charge it up p-p and n-n. What happens here is that yes the battery will drain somewhat then rise back up and then surpass its starting voltage. then you just tap off the positive and can whilst still connected to the battery. The battery will not drain once the cap is full, it will actually charge. If you connect batteries in series the captret will see the source.

Like Ibpointless pointed out, the captret will power small led's ect for a while  but eventually the power will dissapate as it needs to rest to recharge. So pulsing the power seems to be the go.

This charging effect in parallel arrangement works  well with caps of any voltage and capacitance, however with batteries for the charging effect to work the batteries need to be matched in voltage. I'm not 100% sure about capacity, but have noted  different voltage batteries just drain.

Another thought I had was, well 'If only I had a capacitor that held its voltage without draining, we could tap the captret part forever'. So I theorised that If I charge two caps in parallel from a source and leave them connected in parallel, it might exhibit the charging effect and maintain the voltage. It dosen't. The caps are converting energy from the environment, and they will only start drawing this energy in if the are at a lower potential then the enviroment. Ie; mv. the only way I know how to do this is connect a cap to a battery (and leave it connected) and tap off the captret. I read somewhere on the web that eveready makes a 300v battery, which would be good for a source. I'm not sure if it would work as it is not lead acid, but worth a look anyway. I might buy one next week and see.

I connected 4 caps of different voltages (from 10,000uf to 680uf) and capacitances that had been sitting around for a while. (I shorted them all before starting) Connecting them all in parallel and left overnight. I noticed they hit to 200mv range fairly quickly, within an hour or so of connecting up and a test a few minutes ago theyre at 0.34v and climbing, albiet slowly. I don't know how far these caps will charge on their own.

Hypothetically,  if they were leftalone and somehow did charge up to 2-3v or more, that would be something, but take an extremely long time. I think if we had 50-100 or more caps in parallel doing their environmental charge thing, we could have a circuit to switch from parallel to series every so often. Sure it would require a battery, but just for switching. That way, with say 100 caps drawing in a mere 50mv , you could have a 5v discharge at a resonably good frequency, or for a rediculous amount of caps, you could probably achieve a constant ouput. (Oh, and for anyone interested, I've tested this cap charging effect in the middle of the desert, no where near towns, radio transmitters or anything remotely electrical, and it still works :)

Anyways cheers to Ibpointless, and others who have been working on this idea, it has a lot of potential.










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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #317 on: March 21, 2012, 02:14:57 AM »
 :) Hello Explorers. :)

I've done some experiments with captret and I conclude: it's very interesting. But at the same time, I can measure current flowing out of the battery and in the end the LED goes off. So, I believe that there is no OU.

Diodes in general and LEDs in particular are very interesting devices. One remarkable aspect of LEDs is:
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According to their calculations, as the voltage is halved, the input power is decreased by a factor of 4, while the emitted light power scales linearly with voltage so that it’s also only halved. In other words, an LED’s efficiency increases as its output power decreases. (The inverse of this relationship - that LED efficiency decreases as its output power increases - is one of the biggest hurdles in designing bright, efficient LED lights.)

Source: http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-efficiency.html

The lower the voltage, the more efficient LEDs get. CAPTRETs are very efficient at powering LEDs and at the same time are efficient at extracting energy from a battery. So, it seems to me that Captrets are not source of OU, but they are very interesting considering the way they extract energy from a battery.



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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #318 on: May 11, 2012, 07:50:41 PM »
ibpointless, What You found are 2 things.

1. The capacitor have more capacity than only between + and -. And the additional capacity is between the case and one of the electrods. That's normal. It is even possible to measure this capacity by typical meter. You showed in the first video that the voltage don't drop from the appropriate capacitor. This is a proof that in one cap we actually have two independent. The one between (o) and (-) electrods is just another one with some percentage of capacity of the major cap. The charge in this cap is not because gathering a signal from ZPE or Aether or anything unproved. The charge was supplied when the major capacitor was charged (or recharged by itself) and this is due to imperfection of the cap. So as you mentioned, anyone can use this additional capacitor that is giving some more capacity than the major, but still, the charge comes from the source (because charging process is not 100% efficient and some part of the charge goes to our extra capacitor made of the shield).

2. Capacitors just like batteries are recharging by itself. Because of chemistry inside of a cap (similar to the one in cell battery) processes of recharging itself exist and if battery is in good condition, anyone can try to dissipate this energy from time to time. Still this is not overunity, this is energy coming from chemical processes inside of the battery/cap. But even if this is not OU, it's some kind of free energy that anyone can use. This self recharging effect is exhuastible due to condition of a battery/cap.

I hope I made it brighter. ibpointless, I think it is not about OU to say about third electrode, it is about making electronic much more real than it is in theory. Good job, I think someone should give a try with used cell batteries. I just found energizer 1,5V AAA from 2002 with 1,423V inside. Not that bad to give them second life. I even recharged alkaline battery with very low currents and some of them recharged very well working with small radio unit.

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #319 on: August 14, 2012, 08:36:50 AM »
:) Hello Explorers. :)

I've done some experiments with captret and I conclude: it's very interesting. But at the same time, I can measure current flowing out of the battery and in the end the LED goes off. So, I believe that there is no OU.

Diodes in general and LEDs in particular are very interesting devices. One remarkable aspect of LEDs is:
Source: http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-efficiency.html

The lower the voltage, the more efficient LEDs get. CAPTRETs are very efficient at powering LEDs and at the same time are efficient at extracting energy from a battery. So, it seems to me that Captrets are not source of OU, but they are very interesting considering the way they extract energy from a battery.

Just a point.  With the work we have done in the JT topic...we learned that leds LOVE high voltage, pulsed as the JT circuits do.  You get more light, and less amp draw then with the conventional designs...and yes...it too will almost totally drain a battery....which is good as you can use "dead" batteries as I do for lighting. (they are free)  This is how I was able to light 400 leds, each one of which "required" 3 volts and 20 mA's using only a JT powered by a single "dead" AA battery.  There may be a relationship here between the JT and the captret circuits....I am not sure.

Bill

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #320 on: September 28, 2012, 11:08:08 PM »
Hi People,

A lot of threads here. No?
This looks like a dead thread (last  post March 21 2012). No?

2 days ago, I slumbled upon this "CapTret" story.
I only read the very first page of this thread  and  few at  random posts.
So, I feel free to post. Should I not?  :P
I'm overloaded with more or less usefull information.

Bloating appart, I guess that I caught up the principle.
Figuring out one principle is (most of time) enough.
Only most of time... Yes.

Watching some YouTube vids, I immediately tried to reproduce some circuits (with Leds).
It works pretty well.

I'm now experimenting  (without leds) this "device".
My first results are really amazing.
As a Capacitor experimenter guy (you might consult http://freenrg.info/Condos/)
I want to thank IbPointLess2 for his creativity and his real breakthrough (IMO).

Gwella gourhemennou a-berz Yann

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #321 on: September 29, 2012, 01:20:01 AM »
Hi People,

A lot of threads here. No?
This looks like a dead thread (last  post March 21 2012). No?

2 days ago, I slumbled upon this "CapTret" story.
I only read the very first page of this thread  and  few at  random posts.
So, I feel free to post. Should I not?  :P
I'm overloaded with more or less usefull information.

Bloating appart, I guess that I caught up the principle.
Figuring out one principle is (most of time) enough.
Only most of time... Yes.

Watching some YouTube vids, I immediately tried to reproduce some circuits (with Leds).
It works pretty well.

I'm now experimenting  (without leds) this "device".
My first results are really amazing.
As a Capacitor experimenter guy (you might consult http://freenrg.info/Condos/)
I want to thank IbPointLess2 for his creativity and his real breakthrough (IMO).

Gwella gourhemennou a-berz Yann




Thank you!  :)


You can post all you want it is ok. If you have any questions feel free to ask.  :)

Offline NerzhDishual

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #322 on: September 29, 2012, 03:42:26 AM »

@IbPointLess #2,

You are welcome!

Please, think about this:
You can charge a(n electrolytic) cap with an AV (Avramenko) plug.
One wire (or no wire (kinda antenna)) = no current.

Now, your 'normal' Cap modified as a Captret is twice charged. No f' doubt about that!.
Perhaps thirdly charged! Incredible!
Did you try 3 volmeters?
One Voltmeter between the 'normal' plus and minus of the cap.
One Voltmeter between the '0' and 'normal' plus of the cap.
One Voltmeter between the '0' and 'normal' minus of the cap.

You can use cheap meters.
So, skeptics will tell you that this is a ghost charge and that meters are not reliable.
So, you can use a big cap and more voltage.
So, You can ask any skeptic to hand-short circuit between 'O' and the 'plus' of your cap. first,
and then between the '0' and the 'minus'. Not mentioning  between the 'normal' plus and minus of the cap.

A lot of configurations. Indeed. But:
1) 'Normally' charging the cap.
Then shorting out the '0' and the 'plus'
Checking the 3 meters.

2) 'Normally' charging the cap.
Then shorting out the '0' and the 'minus'
Checking the 3 meters.

I did. For the moment I do no believe my eyes.

I'm designing a more precise setup.

Very Best,
Jean

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #323 on: December 30, 2012, 08:58:25 PM »

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #324 on: December 30, 2012, 11:25:13 PM »
the Jean Naudin replication and experience:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=fr&to=en&a=http://jnaudin.free.fr/captret/index.htm

tak


Great Work!


I like how you have presented the data, very well done! The captret is merely a oddity, but it gives no free energy. What the Captret really does is makes you think outside the box. Just watch out for some capacitors that will expand and leak, i never had it happen but anything can happen. Its best to use new capacitors as some older ones may have the "capacitor plague".


Keep up the good work!  :)  its always nice to see someone else working the Captret! [size=78%] [/size]

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #325 on: December 30, 2012, 11:35:16 PM »
Also keep in mind that the captret is a purely voltage thing. Too much current and you destroy the Captret. This is why i would use several 9 volt batteries in series to give me a high voltage. See if you can put some high ohm resistors in the captret circuit so that you don't have too much current flowing inside the captret. Also to get the LED a full brightness you must discharge the captrets leads, use a LED or resistor to do that.




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« Reply #326 on: June 22, 2014, 10:43:31 PM »
Also keep in mind that the captret is a purely voltage thing. Too much current and you destroy the Captret. This is why i would use several 9 volt batteries in series to give me a high voltage. See if you can put some high ohm resistors in the captret circuit so that you don't have too much current flowing inside the captret. Also to get the LED a full brightness you must discharge the captrets leads, use a LED or resistor to do that.

IBPointless2's device in combination with a Tesla coil ( reverse ) won a science fair for Students in Cyprus .

Electrical engineers ( PHD's frm University of Cyprus ) scratching their heads saying " this should not be possible " Locked away the Captret with multiple caps & Reverse Tesla coil + 12 V Motorbike Battery was running for over 2 Months !


I showed a friend the Captret & with some ideas he & I played with he incorporated a reverse tesla coil .

They use a 12 V Battery 10Amps and connect 20 something LED .

this is at a Cyprus University now and has been running for over 2 Months maintaining a charge of +- 10 Volt .

Here is the thing , it is acting like a Lenzless device or like ANY real free energy device , the more it uses the less it requires naturally all in relation to components .

Remove the reverse Tesla coil and it shuts down .

He will be posting videos and I will try to update more  here . It seems the device now doesn't deplete !

Offline MileHigh

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« Reply #327 on: June 22, 2014, 10:55:08 PM »
The story about electrical engineers scratching their heads and not understanding something is an old cliche.  I have read it many times with respect to the pulse motor scene.

If your data is well documented it should be explainable.  That's the challenge, it's to see past what at first appears to be extraordinary results and investigate further and arrive at an understanding.

MileHigh

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« Reply #328 on: June 23, 2014, 10:49:33 AM »
The story about electrical engineers scratching their heads and not understanding something is an old cliche.  I have read it many times with respect to the pulse motor scene.

If your data is well documented it should be explainable.  That's the challenge, it's to see past what at first appears to be extraordinary results and investigate further and arrive at an understanding.

MileHigh
Yea we know that thanks for sharing , seen as 90% of Hero members here never understood the Pulse Motor and still don't I shall just say thanks for that .

This device uses less from source the more the Load requires . When you have that Super Hero ... you have overunity .

Not Rocket science thats what one observes in Bedini , Lenzless , Back EMF & you name it devices .

You still correct , but show me the captret with 12 V Battery running in locked University room for over 2 Months 25 + Led ( not much i know ) still charging after that period .

ALL others loose the potential after few days and don't charge again .

So since you know that a Bedini spins faster at full moon .... and that the more power the load takes the less is required from the source .

You should think for yourself . But you guys have a serious misunderstanding of how this energy flows and works and it has NOTHING to do with the electrical technology we surround us with that is designed for inverse technology to nature or life .

Bish bash bosh ... I feel you for saying what you did . I also believe it needs more investigation but it's done things I never expected when I showed him IBPoinless captret .

We did discuss atmopsheric antenna .. and his idea of adding tesla coil  .

By the way all the people with real devices say the same . Be it Bedini , Jean Louis Naudin who tested multiple Lenzless ,Back emf , pulse , Hydroxy HHO , fuel cells , is it Badcock the guy with the Lindemann , Bedini crew .

Basically every one who uses his brain & opens his eyes .

So like most Pro's here ( and some agent provocateur ) you don't appreciate that the output of these devices is determined by
1. the device
2. the correct balance of all components
3 very important ... the source . The potential within the source to absorb ( batteries ) .

A Full Battery in Bedini takes MORE energy from the source than an empty one
At full moon the Bedini spins faster ... more RPM registered

So I see all you guys checking the energy from behind the device .... as IF this would tell you the potential of the device .

WHAT A NEWBIE mistake ... Newbie to reality as shown experimentally to EVERYONE who cares
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Offline Farmhand

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Re: Captret - Capacitor and Electret
« Reply #329 on: June 26, 2014, 12:48:25 AM »
The cap-tret is not Over Unity, no one has shown any in - out measurements to support OU, you measure the power out of the battery
and the power consumed by the load to get efficiency, you don't set an LED to work powered by a battery and a oddly connected
capacitor and just see how long it runs then declare OU.

As well as that it is now known that the cap-tret effect destroys the capacitors, by using the can it puts stresses on the capacitor
it cannot take.

I can use my cricket bat to hit rocks over the fence and into the bush to get rid of them, much easier than throwing them and easier than carrying them all, but it will destroy my cricket bat because it is not intended to be used like that.

None of John Bedini's arrangements are OU either, no proof of any OU whatsoever.

...

Quote of Nikola Tesla which is pertinent here.

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It is just like this: I have invented a knife.  The knife can cut with the sharp edge.  I tell the man who applies my invention, you must cut with the sharp edge.  I know perfectly well you can cut butter with the blunt edge, but my knife is not intended for this.

..

Here's a tip, if you cut bread with the blunt side of the knife the bread will last longer, but the loaf might get destroyed or flattened. No matter as long as it lasts longer.  ;)

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