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Discussion board help and admin topics => Half Baked Ideas => Topic started by: stevensrd1 on October 14, 2010, 07:41:12 PM
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Does this prove electrons can flow along the same wire, or shall we say rod in this case, at the same time but in opposite directions? Whats your opinion?
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Steven, that's very interesting. Are you saying that the average flower pot shows potential difference? I want to check this. But if it does then I think that there are many members on the Joule Thief thread that would be interested.
Regards,
Rosemary
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Yes the average flower pot shows power,,but its low, say on the DCV setting on 2000m I get readings around 100, have seen them as high as 300. but all in all its very very low. I did see a video on youtube, a woman had a joule thief hooked to metal rods in her big flower pot, and it ran the joule thief she had hooked to a led.
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Hi Steve I'm not sure if this is really on topic....but I took a three inch piece of bare unisulated house wire....wrapped 2" in moss off of a piece of firewood......wrapped that with tinfoil....stuck it my wifes' house plant ...it's been in the dirt for over a month now still reads .75 volts....copper is positve ....sorry it does involve a flower pot so its kind of relavant......shylo
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Hi Steve I'm not sure if this is really on topic....but I took a three inch piece of bare unisulated house wire....wrapped 2" in moss off of a piece of firewood......wrapped that with tinfoil....stuck it my wifes' house plant ...it's been in the dirt for over a month now still reads .75 volts....copper is positve ....sorry it does involve a flower pot so its kind of relavant......shylo
OT, but just for answering your question: Tin and copper have different voltage potentials. The acids (Which it sure is in small portions) in the flower pot will "eat" the tin and leave the copper when you "load" it with a volt meter. This process results in your voltage readings. Further OT: put your tongue on an aluminum pencil sharpner and cover both the steel knife and the aluminum. You will feel the same as when you put your tongue between the poles on a 1.5V battery cell. The aluminum, in greater extent than the steel, will be affected by the acids on your tongue and create an electric circuit.
Vidar
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Hey Vidar......thanx for the reply .....are you saying that .....the acids in the soil will eventually disolve the foil?....thereby killing the cell....and if so , how long will it take?....btw does OT mean "on topic or off topic".....sorry I'm kind of new to discussion boards I don't know all the abbreviations..........shylo
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@Shylo
Shylo, im assuming you have not heard of the earth battery? Back in the early 1800 when they used the telegraph they were using earth batteries even then to power the telegraphs, and earth batteries ran for many many years, sometimes still running 30 years later. All in all earth batteries did not make it to main stream media by any means, as they found more profitable ways to make batteries. What is an earth battery you may ask? Just take a zink and copper pipe, stick them in the ground/earth say a foot apart. Take a digital meter and measure the voltage on the two piped, it will usually read around a volt of electricity, could be more or less depending on many things, such as how deep the pipes go, or how moist the earth is and so forth. Funny thing bout earth batteries, they work like regular batteries, meaning if you wire them in series, you get more and more power, depending on how many are wired in series. And the power keeps coming seemingly forever. However many different kinds of pipes will work like this as well. Just google old earth batteries used in the telegraph, you might be amazed what you learn.
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Hi Steve I tried rods in the ground but couldn't get them to add ...Electrime(Jim) said you have to insulate the outside of the zinc to get them to add .....I haven't tried this yet but I will...in the mean time were all three rods you used of the same type?..........shylo
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No the three rods I used in the flower pot did not look like the same type of metal. It is the electrode or metal type that determines what the polarity will be. As to adding earth batteries,,you must do it the same way its done with any batteries. If you have two pipes,,and one reads positive and the other negative, then if you have two others also with a reading one positive and one negative,,then the positive of one set goes to the negative of the other set, and it goes like that, in the end you have just one positive and one negative left over,,but it is more power then before on the meter. Of course there is ways to build better or larger single earth batteries to get more power as well, you should do some research on such.
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Hey Vidar......thanx for the reply .....are you saying that .....the acids in the soil will eventually disolve the foil?....thereby killing the cell....and if so , how long will it take?....btw does OT mean "on topic or off topic".....sorry I'm kind of new to discussion boards I don't know all the abbreviations..........shylo
OT means "off topic" in this case :)
Yes, the soil will "kill" the cell eventually. But only if you load the two poles. In old copper pipelines for draining or water supply, there are attached tin or other metals to the pipe so the copper pipe doesn't disolve. The soil in the ground will "eat" the other metal first, and leave the copper fresh and good - untill that other metal are disolved. It takes forever to do this - which means there isn't much energy you can pull out of your pot-cell. More acid, like pure lemon juice, will provide way more power - and way shorter lifetime.
Vidar
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Hi Steve the only thing I can see is that if A is positive compared to B ,..it has more positive ions than B so B is neg.,........but B probably has more positive ions compared to C......making B positive......just reading out of books here,.....maybe I'm reading things wrong....I'm not really sure if I agree with what I've read so far.....1volt =.738ft-lbs of work.........I had 22.25volts from my little coils in series,....but they wouldn't even run my little cd motor....not enough amps I suppose.......I think their definition of volts is wrong.........shylo
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Hi Low-Q....from what I understand if you join in series the voltage adds,...if you join in parallel current adds.....I made 36 little cells in series they equalled 22.25volts......then six in series ,...equalled 3.6volts, paralleled with the other five should give 6 times the current at 3.6volts.........but still won't run little cd motor....which will run off a 1.5vAA battery............something's not right.......shylo
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@ shylo
First when using earth batteries, you must convert it to usable energy. The way to do this is with capacitors. For example, even high voltage that has very little current or amperage,, if sent to a capacitor through a diode will be converted to usable current/amperage. You can do something similar with low voltage such as an earth battery say that only puts out 1 volt, no diode needed, and with your little 1 volt earth battery,,take 10 capacitors, now wire these capacitors together in parallel, now charge these capacitors in parallel with your 1 volt earth battery for say 5 seconds. Now disconnect all your 10 capacitors that were wired in parallel when you charged them, then wire the ten capacitors in series, then discharge all ten of them now wired in series into say in a small motor, it will indeed make the motor spin for say 5 seconds or more depending, see doing it all that way allows little or no current or amperage as input in parallel form,,but allows in series form for output for there to be real current/amperage, enough to power something like a small motor..You see back in the early 1800`s thats how they ran their telegraph machines, with earth batteries charging capacitors. If you did not know about such look it up, amazing technology all things considering,, thats its free and all by earth batteries,,back in even the early 1800`s, but all but gone today..The info on earth batteries used in the telegraph still exist however, do a Google search.
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Thanx Steve ..I was already thinking of charging caps .... just was'nt sure of what arrangements,.....I'l give it a try....what size caps would you recommend,...my individual cells average out at .65v...six in series give me~3.5v....would really like to get JT to work in conjunction with them...built three JT's so far but they won't work ...I think it's the transistors I'm using.......any advice is greatly appreciated........shylo