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Offline MileHigh

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Gwandau:

I am not going to answer your "Show me your papers?" question.  You have asked it several times and I am not going to answer it.

What an I doing on OU?  Just read my posts and find out for yourself and decide for yourself.

But I will say this.  My main interest is analyzing compelling free energy propositions.  Sometimes I give people helpful technical advice.  Sometimes when I see absolute junk from people that I think are con artists with a high degree of confidence, I state my opinion.  Very occasionally when I see people that are ordinary experimenters that are not con artists but are deluded and act like demigods I state my opinion.  Do you have a problem with these things?

Please don't ever ask me to "justify" myself again.

What about you?  I asked you what your level of technical education is and you haven't answered.

MileHigh

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Offline Gwandau

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MileHigh,
 
thank you for your answer, and please don't be so edgy, you narcissistic attitude here at the forum inevitably calls for an reaction since you obviously are totally unaware of it.
 
I will keep questioning your behaviour here at the OU forum, repeatedly asking you to justify yourself regarding your discouraging behaviour, since I find your self appointed role as a police here at the OU a bit taxing and overly tense. I hope you are aware that many of us experience you quite demigod-like and just as overly self confident as the guys you talk about.
 
So yes, I have a problem with you discouraging people continously here at the OU forum.
That's why I will continue asking you these questions.
 
I spontaneoulsy react when confronted with people who inflate their own ego at the cost of other peoples confidence in their work.
You have quite a bit there to learn about humbleness and respect for people not sharing your point of view.
 
You asked about my technical education. I have no technical education whatsoever comparable to US college degrees.
 
I am since many years working as a product developer in the surface coating industry which I had the opportunity to
enter without any academically documented knowledge in chemistry and have gained my present level of understanding
by personal studies and my never ceasing curiosity.
 
If you want to patronize me with some heavy academic background, feel free to do so. I don't care for such titles,
since I am fully capable to assimilate any level of knowledge on my own. Personally I think too much influence by
academic schooling may be an obstacle to thinking outside the box. There is a delicate balance involved here.
 
Gwandau

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Gwandau:

You need to get to the point where you can assimilate information that is contrary to your hopes and desires without making a big stink about it.  You need to reduce your intolerance, because that's clearly what is coming across.

So you have no technical background, and that's why you paraphrased the pitch about the "amplification" from this "energy amplification device" as if it was a serious point that merits study.  You tried to contradict me by parroting what you read.   At the same time, what's staring you in the face is ostensibly an image on a web page of "the device" but after six or more years there still is no device!

It's just plain junk and if that upsets you, so be it.  I take solace in the fact that perhaps someone will read what I said and reconsider writing that $10,000 check, their life savings, and sending it to these people.  Helping those susceptible people and preventing them from being potentially financially ruined at the expense of your chagrin is something that I have no problem with.  Just suck it up because if I do that I am doing a good thing.

You want some food for thought?  Go to PESN and look at the last three or four "noble gas engine" postings.   Myself and Mark E. make mincemeat of John Rohner and to a lesser extent Bob Rohner.  John Rohner is exposed for what he really is, and that's a good thing.  It's so bad sometimes that it's just shocking to see what people can get away with.

Believe me, my morals and my heart are definitely in the right place.  You just see me though your fog, coupled with your willingness to believe what people are telling you without the required knowledge, skill set, and experience to properly evaluate what you are seeing.  On the other hand, to a great extent I have the knowledge, skill set, and experience to evaluate what I am seeing.

If you were wise you would listen to what I say and take it seriously.  Instead, you indulge in the "I am suspicious of what you are saying.  You might be a paid disinformation agent from the bad guys."  That's laughable.

I am real Gwandau and I say what I think, and I am not trying to make anybody's life miserable.  I can speak the truth and I admit that sometimes I can be a bit blunt.  The issue is that people play with motors and think they are in some Alice in Wonderland fantasy sometimes.  With this stuff you have to be real.  Do you think the designers of the iPad sat around one day and said, "Let's add an inductor and pulse it and make the iPad run more efficiently on cold electricity"?  They didn't, it never happened.  And there is no such thing as "cold electricity."

That's the real me and if you can't take it, there is nothing I can do for you.

MileHigh

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Offline Gwandau

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MileHigh,
 
I actually believe you. I also am beginning to understand what kind of person you are.
 
What you completely seem to miss is that your thick head police acting does more harm than good here at the OU forum. I have been witness to your brutality and unsensitive judgemental behaviour causing some quite sad effects upon real honest people with pure intents , and I will keep watching you from now on.
 
You so totally lack the childish open minded curiosity that makes all the difference in innovation. If it weren't for the damage you do to the inspiration of novelity here at the OU by rumbling around playing police with your foul smelling bag of orthodox rigidity, I couldn't care less. But since you actions are counteracting the very idea of the OU forum, which is to encourage outside the box thinking, I will try to make your damage as small as possible.
 
As I said earlier, there should be a rule here that criticism only was allowed when empirically proven valid.
If such were the case, you would be out of work here at the OU, mr. ThickHead Policeman.
 
This ends my comment for the time being. But be sure I'll be in touch.
 
Gwandau
 
 
 
 

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As I said earlier, there should be a rule here that criticism only was allowed when empirically proven valid.
If such were the case, you would be out of work here at the OU, mr. ThickHead Policeman.
The same can be said of the countless outlandish claims - they should not be allowed until empirically proven.

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Offline MileHigh

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Gwandau:

You are grossly exaggerating the way you speak of me.  I am not trying to be a policeman.  I have asked reasonable questions sometimes and if you take offense your perception is skewed.

Reading between the lines, what you are implicitly endorsing is that in fact you are going to be "the police."  It's verboten to ask someone how they made their measurements, you can't "break the buzz."  You make it sound like all of the experimenters have fragile egos and they have to be coddled and live in a world of make believe where nobody asks them to defend their proposition.  Some of them are actually like that, but one has to assume that most are not, and they have normally balanced egos.

That kind of attitude is the reason why the space shuttle Challenger blew up in 1986.  There was a pervasive culture of not being allowed to express dissent and question policy and procedures, and it was fully investigated and a report was made.  You can see the same thing on the forums.  Someone claims an over unity measurement and everybody congratulates the experimenter and not a single person questions the results, and the experimenter most likely doesn't even show his measurements.  It's very unhealthy and intellectually stifling.  People waste weeks and weeks and weeks because nothing is questioned.  It's a form of oppression and you want to be the police man that makes sure the culture of oppression remains in place - because you want to watch the "free energy show" and make sure that all of the experimenters are nicely stroked, you would be doing the wrong thing.  It sounds like North Korea.

You think that you are the good guy but in fact you are the bad guy.  I suggest that you throw your pitchfork away and just be.

MileHigh

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Gwandau:
  It a form of oppression and you want to be the police man that makes sure the culture of oppression remains in place - because you want to watch the "free energy show" and make sure that all of the experimenters are nicely stroked.  It sounds like North Korea.

You think that you are the good guy but in fact you are the bad guy.  I suggest that you throw your pitchfork away and just be.

MileHigh

Do you seriously believe that Gwandau is this person you describe? Prove it.

If you can say that, without proof, then WE can call you MIB 8) , dawg. Its real easy. And there is no difference. Actually there is a difference. You M, complain when people say what they think of you. And it is not just Gwandau that thinks the same. I can put together a list if you like, with links. ;]  I use page saves and I make folders. Its easier to reference, the things I want to reference. ;]

And a couple posts earlier on this page you said,  "Please don't ever ask me to "justify" myself again." 

Well, you are asking Gwandau to justify what he is doing here on this thread, are you not? In many ways you are.

Its your attitude. When Gwandau compares you to police, that is how he feels in the way you "ask" and push for answers or work to be done specifically, like some drill Sargent that owns this bitch.  Well, you dont.

So stop acting like it.

MaGs  :o

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Mags:

Go ahead and post the list if you want.  The point I am making is important.  There is a culture of fear - being afraid to ask your fellow experimenters to demonstrate how they made their measurements and to put forth a valid argument to explain their proposition.  So if I question that, it invokes a double fear.  And sometimes people think that they can swing an oppression club and reenforce the status quo.  You should all encourage each other to ask questions and even express doubt.

I am not going to be intimidated by you and your attitude.  I will ask reasonable questions when I want to and that's it.

MileHigh

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Offline MileHigh

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Bill:

You could learn about being reasonable yourself.  About two years ago you beat the living crap out of me because I could not remember the typical voltage drop across an LED.  Then more recently Magluvin did the same thing.

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Bill:

You could learn about being reasonable yourself.  About two years ago you beat the living crap out of me because I could not remember the typical voltage drop across an LED.  Then more recently Maglvin did the same thing.

MileHigh

I do not recall that.  I also doubt that you would not remember something like that.  All I was saying is that it is the way things are asked that can make a huge difference.  Sure, I am all for going after someone selling something that is clearly a fraud, and I commend you for doing so in the cases you mentioned.  But,(hopefully) here it might just be a case where a guy does not know something...or has measured incorrectly....they should not be treated like the fraud guys.  Obviously, not everyone here has your background or knowledge.  This is all I am pointing out.

If I indeed gave you a hard time for forgetting the led voltage drop, then I apologize.

Bill

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Mags:

Go ahead and post the list if you want.  The point I am making is important.  There is a culture of fear - being afraid to ask your fellow experimenters to demonstrate how they made their measurements and to put forth a valid argument to explain their proposition.  So if I question that, it invokes a double fear.  And sometimes people think that they can swing an oppression club and reenforce the status quo.  You should all encourage each other to ask questions and even express doubt.

I am not going to be intimidated by you and your attitude.  I will ask reasonable questions when I want to and that's it.

MileHigh

Can you not tell how people receive your comments? Why does it have to be that way? Hmmm?

Its like you are super lazy. You make all these demands of people, without lifting a resistor to prove your end. Wuts that all about? Where's my Hossenfeffa!!!

Be a man like TK and do something. If he doesnt get answers from people about a device, that peaks his interest, as your interests seem to be here, then he builds it. Then when he builds it and it doesnt work, he has way more right to further question, than someone who just thinks they know it all.

I remember you asking me to make a pulse motor with a hidden battery. A device to teach people with you said.

When I think about that, I think, how many people that are hopeful and working towards OU or FE, would ask me or anyone to do such a thing. I cant think of any..

Then I got to thinking about people that are against, or not for the belief of OU.
Yea, I can see these people, especially the ones 'against', that would try to put me up to such a task. All for the sake of implanting "FAKE" to all that see.

I rebuked the idea, if you remember. Why would someone want to disrupt someone from what they are already doing, to make 'another' fake out there? There are plenty already, Why should I waste the time the magnets or even the cost of that battery to build a battery powered motor and make it look like it is running without a battery, when Im looking for ways to get rid of the battery?

Why was it that you wanted me to make a fake? What was the goal of that idea?

MaGs

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Bill:

I accept your apology.  I can make the distinction between outside parties or organizations that appear to be complete frauds and real experimenters around here that are legitimately trying to accomplish something.  But even if you are trying to accomplish something and your goals are sincere, one can not ignore the facts on the bench.  I agree that that's a delicate issue and I could probably do better.  But I am not in any way maliciously "going after" people, ever.

MileHigh

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MH:

I am very glad to hear that.  Yes, it can be a fine distinction sometimes as we don't always know the "goals" of the person posting a device. (ie Mylow)  We need folks here that know what they are doing and, I know you are one of them.  I look forward to your input on my next experimentation attempts.

Thank you,

Bill

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Mags:

The goal for the fake was to demonstrate how if your friend or acquaintance could put up a clip of a motor that was fake, the way to prove it was a fake was to duplicate the effect - with another fake.

I suppose it's related to seeing an alleged free energy motor clip on YouTube - and clearly seeing that there is ample physical volume within the device to contain a battery or batteries, and not questioning if there might be hidden batteries.

Any time I see an alleged self-runner motor on YouTube I look for places to hide batteries, blow air, have an induction coil hidden behind a nearby surface, or if it appears that the video is being looped.  Likewise, with a 340P or even a 480P clip on YouTube you can sill run fine magnet wire that will either not be picked up by the camera or will be lost when the video is compressed.

Of course the fine magnet wire not being picked up by the camera or lost in the compression is related to the Mylow saga.  I did not figure out the solution to the Mylow mystery myself.

MileHigh

 

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