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Author Topic: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)  (Read 43787 times)

Low-Q

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 09:59:11 PM »
All the info you need to build a successful overunity device or in other words, an electricity amplification device, is given on this Peswiki page ...

Kudos to Youtube member 'MindFreer' who has uploaded a complete guide book video on this technology ...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Hatem_Magnetic_Cogging_Device
Many hobbyists out there often have lack of knowledge, and do many times believe they add 2 x 2 and gets a product greater than 4. Yes, it is possible to make readings of voltage and ampÃ©res which in the first plase looks like it makes more energy out than in. But in such cases there is a given phase shift which is resulting that voltage and ampÃ©res are not syncronized in time.
An example:
A person makes this device, and measures 10V and 10A input. Then he loads the output and read 20V and 20A. Any person with a common sense "understands" there is 400W out - or are they wrong? What they overlook is the phase. Say the real input are both volt and ampÃ©re in phase; 10 x 10 = 100W. The real output are in best case (20V x Cos65) x (20A x Sin35) = 97W - take this as an example. Now you can try to loop the device and try to feed 97 Watts into an input which require 100 Watts to run. This is the very reason this particular device cannot bee looped, and ran by itself. The explanation are all there. There are no energy from space which is harnessed by a magnetic coupling. It is all about the relationship between the VA-readings and its phase.

Vidar

exnihiloest

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 12:36:16 PM »
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The beauty of this design is that ... you can start a chain reaction by adding more rotors adjacent to the rotors installed next to the PRIME MOVER ... I foresee huge electricity generation FARMS based on this technology.

Beautiful, like most of the products of delusion.

gauschor

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2010, 01:53:52 PM »
Hmm looks interesting, anyone tried the Bobby Thomas "optimized" version? Though I'm afraid this version could produce asynchronity because the magnets on the rotor don't force a "path" (contrary to Hatem's device with 3 rows of magnets which force a "path") and probably if the main rotor speed is too fast one pole could be missed.

Also will it still work as well if dynamos are attached... which need additional effort. Hmm speculating only... and then we'd need a load that needs more power than the source to really prove it :s

bobby_tc6

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2012, 08:41:24 PM »

tagor

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2012, 08:27:02 AM »
Mindfreer's ebook ...

are you Mindfreer ?

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2012, 08:33:55 AM »
Beautiful, like most of the products of delusion.

Thanks for the great belly laugh. Delightfully succinct !

Cheers

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2012, 08:47:34 AM »
Many hobbyists out there often have lack of knowledge, and do many times believe they add 2 x 2 and gets a product greater than 4. Yes, it is possible to make readings of voltage and ampÃ©res which in the first plase looks like it makes more energy out than in. But in such cases there is a given phase shift which is resulting that voltage and ampÃ©res are not syncronized in time.
An example:
A person makes this device, and measures 10V and 10A input. Then he loads the output and read 20V and 20A. Any person with a common sense "understands" there is 400W out - or are they wrong? What they overlook is the phase. Say the real input are both volt and ampÃ©re in phase; 10 x 10 = 100W. The real output are in best case (20V x Cos65) x (20A x Sin35) = 97W - take this as an example. Now you can try to loop the device and try to feed 97 Watts into an input which require 100 Watts to run. This is the very reason this particular device cannot bee looped, and ran by itself. The explanation are all there. There are no energy from space which is harnessed by a magnetic coupling. It is all about the relationship between the VA-readings and its phase.

Vidar

Well explained Vidar. Unfortunately, the mistake of omitting the phase relationship between current and voltage from the power calculation is one that seems to be 'perpetually' repeated on this site and other forums. What a pity we can't extract free energy from perpetual misunderstanding.

Cheers

TinselKoala

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2012, 03:49:42 PM »
It's too bad that everybody thinks they can't afford an oscilloscope since good digital ones are so expensive.

While there are perfectly fine and usable analog scopes on the used market in the 100 dollar price range.

A voltage trace and a current trace (voltage across a known small resistance in series with the circuit under test) can be displayed simultaneously on even the most basic two-channel oscilloscope. The instantaneous multiplication, point-by-point, of these two trace values will give an instantaneous power curve, and the average value of this latter curve can be found easily. And this process completely and automatically accounts for any and all phase shifts between the two signals and yields an accurate result.

The only advantage of a DSO over an analog one is that the DSO is a lot more convenient and easy to use. You can spend 10 thousand dollars on a DSO to make this measurement, to four or five digits of precision, and have your answer in moments. You can spend 100 dollars, take a photo of the screen with your cellphone and spend some time analyzing and multiplying by hand to make this measurement, to three digits of precision in a couple of hours.

We are not talking high bandwidth or complex signals here, just power measurements in a phase-shifted situation.

The oscilloscope is the king of test equipment and, along with a basic signal generator, is at the heart of any home electronics setup. Spend a hundred or two on a 20 MHz scope, learn to use it properly..... and you will never regret it.

bobby_tc6

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2012, 10:34:54 PM »
All information that I have about Hatem's Magnetic Cogging Generator ...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/69km97qu5jdr6u1/JrDstQcQOk

@Tagor .. I am not Mindfreer ... I wish he could join this forum and provide us more information on this generator design.

George Mitchell is the only other person (one of the videos uploaded by me wherein there are three rotors) who has succeeded in replicating this design but he would not divulge the specs of his setup.

tagor

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2012, 08:07:30 AM »
All information that I have about Hatem's Magnetic Cogging Generator ...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/69km97qu5jdr6u1/JrDstQcQOk

@Tagor .. I am not Mindfreer ... I wish he could join this forum and provide us more information on this generator design.

George Mitchell is the only other person (one of the videos uploaded by me wherein there are three rotors) who has succeeded in replicating this design but he would not divulge the specs of his setup.

I think that Mindfreer is a con man

I know Hatem there is nothing working in his house , I spoke a lot on this in this forum
but nothing working ...

bobby_tc6

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2012, 08:41:20 AM »
There is lot of very useful information given in the PDF file that I have uploaded which I guess is put together by Yannick V. D.

And IMHO stamping a design as non-working or SCAM or FRAUD without ever testing it, is not right.

tagor

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2012, 09:15:08 AM »
There is lot of very useful information given in the PDF file that I have uploaded which I guess is put together by Yannick V. D.

And IMHO stamping a design as non-working or SCAM or FRAUD without ever testing it, is not right.

yannick another con man , he stops selling plan when I spoke of this on a lot of forum

Hatem is fool but he is not selling his craps

EDIT :

there is a lot of testing of the hatem device on french forum !!!
look what I posted on this !!! it is not new !!! 2 or 3 years ago ...

avalon

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2012, 05:08:36 PM »
This is the very reason this particular device cannot bee looped, and ran by itself. The explanation are all there. There are no energy from space which is harnessed by a magnetic coupling. It is all about the relationship between the VA-readings and its phase.

Vidar
I agree in principle though I cannot be categorical that there is no excess energy in magnetic coupling. I simply don't have enough information to say one way or the other. But I totally agree on the misreading of the output - a common mistake.

Gwandau

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2012, 08:22:38 PM »
In the midst of ideas setting off the scam alert warning, we may miss the real ones.

Magnetic coupling employed in a far more sophisticated way by these guys:

http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/

Gwandau

MileHigh

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Re: Electricity Amplification Device - It's so simple !!! (Hatem Magnetic Cogging)
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2012, 12:45:29 AM »
Gwandau:

From their web site:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Test Set-up: Interactive Magnetic Oscillations The current design of the set-up is based on a magnetic interaction where one body interacts with a second and third body.

The first body (4) on shaft 1 is a magnetic drive driven by motor (3).
The second body (5) on shaft 2 is a Magnetic Torque and Speed Enhancement Device.
The third body (6) is a Magnetic Oscillation Device that amplifies the interaction between the first body (4) and second body (5).
There are two rotational torque sensors on two shafts (Futek Advanced Sensor Technology Inc.).
Each sensor (1) (2) is mated to an evaluation instrument (Kistler Como Torque 4700).
Each instrument is connected with RS 232 to an individual Computer.
The Data Acquisition System and software to analyze and record the Sensors is provided by DATAQ Instruments, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I believe that many of these companies just exist to be "in development" for years and years - and that is their business.  That is their "product."
Do you follow me?  They are in the business of the business of tapping into the vast pool of venture capital investment money out there.
These two lines:
The second body (5) on shaft 2 is a Magnetic Torque and Speed Enhancement Device.
The third body (6) is a Magnetic Oscillation Device that amplifies the interaction between the first body (4) and second body (5).

Now, you can take a strain gauge and rotate two magnetized disks that are set up to interact and measure the torque for every single degree of rotation.  You will end up with net zero energy after you rotate 360 degrees.  (Approximately zero because of the imperfect granularity in your measurements.) This comes from James Faraday and James Maxwell all the way on down.  You analyze the setup with calculus.  Instead of making a measurement for each degree, you use calculus to reduce the step size to the limit towards zero degrees and compute the line integral that an imaginary point follows as it rotates through the 360 degree circle.  The resultant of the line integral is zero and the calculus is perfectly modelling the physical system.

If you accept what I state to be true and verifiable on the bench and verifiable with calculus, then you will conclude that the two statements above are lies.  Twice they say that there are two mechanical amplifiers that put energy into the system from nothingness.

So in my opinion, Terrawatt is just a poor man's version of Steorn.  Look at the example of Jame Kwok and his "Hidro energy towers."  Someone once posted that they contacted James Kwok about financing a real installation and James refused with the poor excuse that he was not set up to do business in the customer's part of the world.  I think it was in the NW United States.  So James Kwock is also in the business of the business of tapping into the vast pool of venture capital available in the world.
Sterling's article was from 2010, it's now 2012.  I can't explain why when you look at the "About Us" page you see pictures and mini bios of about a dozen of what appear to be perfectly respectable people.  None the less, this appears to be a junk company making the dead-beaten-horse claim about "energy from magnets."
These things can be very offensive if you forget about the lure of over unity and just look at this at face value.  There are people who work in professions related to what this company does and they are flabbergasted to see other people apparently masquerading around and making a mockery of science all for the almighty dollar.
Now that was a good rant!

MileHigh