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Author Topic: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage  (Read 77228 times)

Offline Jerry Volland

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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2010, 03:21:17 AM »
I've built a simple version of Ed Gray's circuit to test for energy recovery.  I'm using a magnetron tube, minus the magnets, for the "one way energy path" and my three point discharge electrode pattern in place of the CSET.  I'm attaching the circuit, also shown here:

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/168/recovery.gif

I recently did some tests with the bare tube inside a magnetron I salvaged from a MW oven.  I wanted to see if it would work as a HV diode, and also to see if it produces Secondary Emission.  Due to the tube's capacitance, it will pass a HV spark in either direction.  However, with a capacitor in series with the diode the cap will only discharge in one direction.  (The diode and cap also came from the oven.)  The negative side of the cap has to be connected to the filament.  I also did a test with a car battery in series with the cap's filament wire, only with the positive side of the battery connected to the filament, as Gray shows in his patents.  This test verified that Secondary Emission is occurring because the tube got hot and started smoking after 4 or 5 seconds.  The small cap passing the current from the battery requires a conversion into rf energy, associated with SE.  Due to the overheating I'm not using the battery for most of my tests.

About the first thing I thought of trying was my Arc Switch electrodes.  At this point all I did was run a jumper wire from the filament to the arc - similar to Gray's wire through the recovery battery to the grids.  When this wire got close to the arc there was a bright white, round discharge to the main arc, with a loud pop, and this pop instantly blew the arc out.  This reminded me of Gray's statement that his increase in efficiency depended on the sudden termination of the arc.  So I put a second cap in series with the jumper wire, and this cap DOES charge when the arc blows out.  Without a diode in the loop.  Adding a series inductor increases the sound of the recovery cap's discharge when it's shorted. 

Using a number of arc blowouts doesn't seem to add any extra energy to the recovery cap, so I tried using my 16 uF cap at this location.  After one pulse, the cap's shorting was about as loud as that of the smaller cap.  However, after four pulses the bang from the big cap is MUCH louder.  Also, the blow out spark from the third electrode is different with the bigger cap.  It's longer and more narrow, and shoots into the primary arc.  It looks like White Lightning.

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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2010, 03:21:17 AM »

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2010, 03:34:39 AM »
@XS-NRG: I think you've done a good job explaining Gray's circuitry. Are you sure that "TP" stands for totem pole? Seems more likely to me that these are "test points". The loop in the wire permits quick attachment of a test probe such as a hook on the end of a scope probe. "TP" is still common to see on circuit boards today, although instead of wire loops a small pin may be used. Sometimes a simple solder pad is all that is provided.

@Jerry: Seriously, you could not ID the power resistor components? I would expect this from a noob, but an experienced researcher?

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2010, 05:31:37 AM »
@Jerry: Seriously, you could not ID the power resistor components? I would expect this from a noob, but an experienced researcher?
You have to keep in mind that I'm just an electrician who likes to make sparks, not an electronic engineer.  That kind of resistor is something I've never used for anything.

While we're at it, can you identify the vacuum tube, or what ever, in the right side of this picture?

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2010, 06:30:19 PM »
It's OK.
Nobody's perfect.

Jerry ,are you reffering to the PET water bottle?
That was there so they could drink some while taking it apart.
Which i think is about the worst thing you can do!!!!!!!

I for one would have replaced the dead old battery's by fresh ones and grease it up and then fire it up to see if it still runs.
too late for that unfortunatly. :(

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2010, 07:14:11 PM »
XS-NRG:

Are you sure this is a water bottle?  It looks like the bottom has been crimped, with an electrode running up through it, and it's standing on the external connector.

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« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2010, 07:23:25 PM »
BTW I just did another experiment with my magnetron circuit.  There's four MW oven capacitors in parallel, rather than one.  Now the arc strikes almost instantly and is heavier.  And it only takes two pops to fill the big cap.  After that there isn't any discharge from the third electrode, even if it actually touches the main arc.  This reinforces my opinion that this is a recovery circuit rather than a simple charging circuit.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2011, 09:01:12 AM »
Dear E. V. Gray Researchers,

Here is what I have on the history of the "Brown Motor" from my interviews and research.

1. This Pulsed Motor was aquired by AL Francouer of Yhack, BC. He has taken delivery of it and reports that it is the E1 pulse motor - since it is stamped with a "1" in several locations. The other Pulse Motors that he has in his collection are stamped #4 and #5. The E3 case is in another collection and is stamped #3. By elemination that makes the "Purple" Motor #2.

2. This pulse Motor was built circa 1963 as an improved kind of industrial high torque high efficiency invention by Marvin Cole. It never was one of the true Free-Energy Engines that were constructed starting in about 1967. However, it was used as a test bed to explore some of the OU processes that were discovered in 1964-1965.

3. It was put into secure storage by E.V. Gray for several years along with the other 5 industrial Pulse Motors. This is why it was not confiscated by the LA DA in 1974.

4. In 1980 Gray retreived these old Pulse Motor prototypes and had his technician Mr. Nelson Schlaft "Rocky" rebuild them so that they would operate on 5KV derived from 240VAC at 100 Amps. The original thyratrons and control vacuum tubes were replaced with ignitrons and all of the internal electromagnets (rotor and stator) rewound with larger (#14 awg) magnet wire. The Commutator was rewired to suite a simple pulse topology employed.

5. According to Mr. Schlaft: The batteries on the cart were for looks only "they couldn't turn the motor for 2 seconds". The motor in its new configuration consumed 10 KVA just to operate with no load. The ignitorns were triggered with 1500 DC that was derived from the 5KV using zener diodes (as shown in one of the John Riley photos). The large 2"x4"x30" component is a large HV diode that was added to damp flyback oscillations after the ignitrons fired. It is unknown what the purpose of the gray box of low voltage - high current electronics was intended for. It couild have been original equipment maybe.

6. With the new modifications the motor would now start from a dead stop and was abel to reverse direction, something that the original pulse motor couldn't do. The outboard DC genmerator/motor was used as the start motor ass well as an active load to measure efficiency.

7. Gray eventually used this revised motor as a mockup for a fake free-energy engine in his promotion videos. He passed this off as a working free-energy engine while providing documentation and test reports that were taken for the original EMA2. His problem was that he didn't have the money (or the complete technical knowlege) to reproduce any of the sucessful free-energy engines in that time frame.(or any time after that)

8. Apparently this stratage worked because whe was able to raise about $27 million from a Caymen Island Brokerage Firm. He was later swindled out of this money.

9. Dorothy McPhillips took possession of Gray's equipment after his death. Mr. Russell Audrey (a later investor) attempted to collect this equipment via a court order. According to Ms. McPhillips she was soon approached by two men who claimed to be agents for the NSA. They informed her that they were going to confiscate all of the equipment (without compensation) as a matter of national security. Ms. McPhillips then notified Mr. Audrey, who owned a trucking firm in Kansas, and he was on site in 24 hours with a crew of men to load up the equipment. Ms. McPhillips setteled for a much smaller amount of money and then spread the rummer that she had all this equipment taken to the local dump.

10. Mr. Audrey took this equipment back to Dodge City, Kansas and spent a lot of money attempting to get some of the motors operational. He failed and all of the hardware eventually went into storage.

11. Recently Mr. Audrey's family contracted Mr. John Riley of California to examine this equipment, since he is well versed in high voltage electronics, and to act as a broker to liquidate it should he determine that there is no useful technology remaining.

12. This motor was never a free-energy engine and if it had been it was severly butchered in 1980. It is however, part of this most interesting saga and deserves to be preserved in its own right. There are a few crumbs of technical informatiopn to be extracted from this motors design, since it does hold the foundation of the later sucessful free-energy engines.

Spokane1

PS. The E1 "Brown Motor" has been sold. The E2 "Purple Motor" is still for sale along with the "Trigger Cart".


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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2011, 01:18:13 AM »
Thank You.

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« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2011, 01:31:48 AM »
When you look at the picture with the ic's you can see Gray's writing it say's TP TP TP which stands for Totem Pole configuration.  :)

TP usually means "Test Point".

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Test-Point-(electronics)-(TP).html

Look at the picture and these points are loops for connecting hook probes.


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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2011, 01:55:53 AM »
TP usually means "Test Point".

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Test-Point-(electronics)-(TP).html

Look at the picture and these points are loops for connecting hook probes.

Whatever...
Now you can E-Masturbate because you made another post

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2011, 01:56:35 AM »
TP usually means "Test Point".

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Test-Point-(electronics)-(TP).html

Look at the picture and these points are loops for connecting hook probes.

Whatever...
Now you can E-Masturbate because you made another post including a link to click Oh Yeah!! HAHA

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« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2011, 04:13:39 AM »
Whatever...
Now you can E-Masturbate because you made another post including a link to click Oh Yeah!! HAHA

You can shove your "totem pole" up your arse.  Might light that bulb over your head that way.   ROFLMAO!!!

Why don't you tell everyone about your OU device.  Here's a picture of it:

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« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2011, 05:01:58 AM »
Seriously dude, what do you want?

I think you are the biggest fool on the planet, and i have decided to stop responding to your posts because it only adds to the noise, and you are not worth my time.
My only advice to you is to go and seek some help for your "posting addiction"

This was my last response to you.

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« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2011, 06:16:03 AM »
Getting back on topic, did Ed's Motor actually work as claimed?  Any comments on his tube?

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« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2011, 07:56:40 AM »
Getting back on topic, did Ed's Motor actually work as claimed?  Any comments on his tube?

Dear Sigma 16,

Between Marvin Cole and Richard Hackenberger there were 15 rotary devices built. Six of those were a new kind of industrial Non-OU Pulse motor, these were called the E-motors E1, E2, E3, etc. When the non-classical OU process was discovered in 1964 the engineering direction changed and a new design constructed. This was the begining of the true Free-Energy Engines these were numbered EMA1, EMA2, EMA3 etc. There were seven versions and two variations. It is believed that it was the 10 HP EMA2 model that was submitted for testing by Crosby Research. These tests are the only 3rd party verification as to the validity of this technology. Here is what was reported:

COP: 275   Power Level: 7.6 KW   Note: 90% of the power output was in torque and not electricity

The later EMA Free-Energy Engines were built, but were never tested by outside firms. However the EMA4 model was rated at 32 HP. It was then upgraded to become the EMA4-E2 variation with a power rating of 100 HP. John Bedini reported that he observed this engine produce 87 HP (if Gray's instruments were accurate). This was the peak of the technology in 1973. After that it was largely down hill since the original inventor had left left town. The EMA5 never made it past the fabrication of the case. The EMA6 only produced 2 HP.  Richard Hackenberger started to figure out how things worked and got the EMA6-E2 variation operational, but over looked EMI shielding and brought down the wrath of the FCC upon himself and Gray. There is some evidence that the last Free Energy Engine (EMA7) was built in Kalona, Iowa in 1979 and is called the "Blue" engine. Nothing is known of its permormance, but it was important enough to steal in the middle of the night. Hackenberger died a few weeks after this escape (1980). Gray spent the rest of his life attempting to sell this powerful technology that he himself only knew a portion there of.

The Conversion Element Switching Tube (CEST) is a conterversial component. I have my oipinions based upon my historical research. Others believe that it was the heart and soul of the OU process based upon the exsistance of the patents and the Bedini Field Notes. However, all camps agree that the foundation of this non-classical OU process resides in some complex phenomena associated from the discharge of a DC arc. I maintain that the sucessful process took place within the engine itself. This was certainly not disclosed in the Pulse Engine patent, but there are many useful hints in the illustrations. [Speaking of the patent, in my opinion disreguard about 80% of the text as being misleading- including 50% of the power supply schematic. Stick to the illustrations, that is where I think the truth is to be found.] Othes continue exploring variations of fixed length arc and grid setups. Which is understandable becasue they are easy to build, and besides they just look neat when operating. A few researchers have even reported interesting observations with these kinds of experiments.

Someone might get lucky and discover some method to extract OU from a fixed electrode arc system - and I think that approach holds some promise, but from all that I have been able to assertain that was not the the sucessful method used by Marvin Cole. Now Mr. Hackenberger attempted to remove the dynamic arc process from inside the engine (1974) to make it far simpler to machine when he built the EMA6 under duress. It appears the he was the one who came up with the "CEST" design in the first place. [Check the Phinney reference patent in the introduction of the Pulse Motor patent to get an idea as to what was originialy intended for this device to do] That design failed. He later removed the three "CEST's" from the EMA6 in June of 1976 and went back to a system very close to what was in the EMA4 engine's design. That is when the FCC came calling, so he must have gotten something right that time. From then on EMI shielding was a priority for Mr. Gray.

This technology is powerful and can be built from the materials found in the Mouser and McMaster Castalogs. It is not simple. It is a complex electromagnetic/electrostatic system that involves at least two different cycles (or more) of operation. The primary output is torque. There is enough recovered electrostatic build up to recharge the pulse storage capacitors. The low voltage charge carriers from a lead acid battery are a requirement for operation. The recoverd harvested energy can't be contained by the battereis. Some other modern engineering approach will be necessary to solve this problem - once we discover what the true non-classical process was.

In short: The first four Free Energy Engines worked well with the EMA4 working very very well, The EMA5 & EMA6 fell on thier nose. We don't know about the EMA7.

For me the CEST was a failed attempt to simplify the construction of the Free Energy Engines. There is a lot of circumstantial history to explain why the CEST came about and why Mr. Hackenberger had good reason to think this approach would work.

Gray didn't start to patent the "CEST" device till 1984 when he needed something interesting to sell to overseas investors.

I hope this short summary answers your fundamental questions.

Spokane1

 

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