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Author Topic: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage  (Read 78455 times)

Offline Spokane1

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2011, 08:34:37 PM »
Spokane1,

I found some old stuff on Al:

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/wesley2.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/francoeu.htm

This sort of device does not garner a lot of interest today, but that could change if Al's self-runner is still running.

Dear Herger,

The first link turned out to be a blank page for my machine.

The second link is from 2001 when Al was developing one of his reluctance motor inventions. This was a few years before he acquired the E.V. Gray Pulse Motors. I don't think that design turned out to be a self runner. But it sure is impressive to look at with the clear Plexiglas case and all the coils and caps inside of it.

However, the over all concept proved to be salable to a firm in Colorado that makes slow speed vertical windmills. Apparently Al's design allows for a substantial output without the need for a mechanical transmission. It seems that they were happy enough with the performance to handsomely compensate Al for his invention.  Al has about three novel generator/motor designs that he has created. So, his fascination with the Gray Pulse Motors is certainly justified.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2011, 08:34:37 PM »

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #106 on: January 26, 2011, 04:34:00 AM »
Dear Herger,

The first link turned out to be a blank page for my machine.

The second link is from 2001 when Al was developing one of his reluctance motor inventions. This was a few years before he acquired the E.V. Gray Pulse Motors. I don't think that design turned out to be a self runner. But it sure is impressive to look at with the clear Plexiglas case and all the coils and caps inside of it.

However, the over all concept proved to be salable to a firm in Colorado that makes slow speed vertical windmills. Apparently Al's design allows for a substantial output without the need for a mechanical transmission. It seems that they were happy enough with the performance to handsomely compensate Al for his invention.  Al has about three novel generator/motor designs that he has created. So, his fascination with the Gray Pulse Motors is certainly justified.

Spokane1

Thanks Spokane1.   Al has his mind right and doesn't let the naysayers stop him.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2011, 01:46:14 AM »
I recall edwin gray mentioning "more air" had something to do with it.
Tesla used a draft of hot air to quench the spark gap on his disruptive discharge coils.

I always thought that gray had either pumped more or less air into the CSET chamber and the earlier gray patent appears to pumping air into where the inside of the engine as previously discussed in this thread.

anyway something to test

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #109 on: October 16, 2011, 11:31:29 PM »
Ok, already quite some time since someone posted here. I just stumbled again upon this, as in the meantime I occupied myself very thoroughly with Viktor Schaubergers work.
And as I finally got an explanation, what the basic principle behind his machines was, I immediately discovered, that quite some other famous OU-machines actually are also perfectly easily explainable by this principle (e.g. the SEG). And the funny thing is, there's not even a "new physics" needed to explain it.

And as I thought again about it, I asked myself if the Gray-Motor maybe also works like that. First I dismissed that, as there really doesn't seem to be any functional connection, but as you say, that it seems to have been very important that a lot of air is blown through the motor and that it only started to work, when he completely made the inner part of Teflon, it started to smell like the same principle.

@Spokane: Thanks again for your profound knowledge about the matter. Is the book you mentioned in the meantime available?

If I look at the matter I get the following impression.
They wanted to make a very efficient motor. Not only efficient in relation to electric efficiency, but also to the size of the motor. The funny thing is, I also asked myself once how one could make a Motor most effective. The principle is this. The basic principle of a motor is always to have 2 Magnets (both can be electromagnets, but not necessarily) which either attract or repel each other. This generates a radial force, which becomes the torque of the motor. Now it is like that: The force of the magnets is the strongest, the nearer the magnets are to each other.  Now you can either already switch your stator magnet on, when your rotor magnet is still far away. But unfortunately most of the time you will get only a small force for the needed amperage. Only if the magnets are very near to each other, the force becomes very strong. This is why one usually has many many poles, if you want to have motors with a high torque. But then you have the problem, that you can't go high with the rpm, as the inductances won't allow this. Here comes the voltage in the game. The higher the voltage, the faster you can switch the magnetic fields.

So I asked myself, how can one make a motor, which yields a lot of torque, still goes to high speeds but remains quite small for the power. I only saw one solution, a high voltage impulse motor.The idea is, to only switch the magnets for a short time, when they are very near to each other (works best, if the magnets are not oriented 90° but with an angle). Like that, you can get most power out of the motor for the size, and you also get a lot of torque. For in this short moment you can drive with a lot of amps and a lot of amperage (at exactly the position where the attracting/opposing forces of the magnets will be strongest). This will surely heat your coils quite fast. But as after this impulse the coil doesn't get current again for quite some time, it can cool down again. So that in the mean it dissipates the same amount of heat, as with the conventional driving scheme. As the impulse are only quite short, you can still go quite high with the RPM.
The additional advantage is, that you also get the electrostatic forces to work for you (as in an electrostatic motor), if the voltage is high. But as the voltages were not that high, and the calculated involved electrostatic forces are quite small, I don't think that this yielded much improvement.
What are the main disadvantages of this scheme? It is very difficult to switch HV for short Impulses with high currents, and the motor must be able to withstand the voltage.

IMHO by far the easiest way to make these Impulses is to use two electromagnets and use them together in an oscillator. Simply said, similar to a Tesla coil. But with the secondary split in two halves, to get two separate electromagnets. If the coils do exactly have the right distance the inductance gets so that the oscillator goes into resonance and like that it automatically increases the current and voltage in the optimal position.

When I look at the "popping demo" pic (http://universalpower.webs.com/gallery/Edwin%20Vincent%20Gray/Edwin%20Vincent%20Gray%20magnet%20popping%20demo.html) it is kind of obvious that on the table is an air-core transformer (like a tesla coil is). So maybe they had this idea and started to do the first few motors based upon this idea. Later they modified the motor so (with the Teflon inside) that suddenly another effect started to kick in. IMHO this effect doesn't directly have anything to do with actual basic motor principle or it's driving circuitry, but more with the design (especially the material) of the motor itself. So IMHO I don't think it has anything to do at all with the arc or the CSET.
But this is just my current opinion, based on my research on Schauberger. It doesn't have to be correct in any way.
But maybe someone gets inspired. For all others: I'm very sorry to have wasted your time in reading this. Really.

BTW:
If this Hyptheses is correct, then the CSETs do not produce the OU effect. Then it would really make sense, that the CSETs were actually really electron multipliers, as in Farnsworth's patents. As these would be IMHO the best and most efficient way, to pulse these motors. Maybe Cole had at some point the idea to optimize the switching by using them. Just an idea...

Edit:
On the second look. With the CSETs it would be explainable how you can do the motor without having to have primary and secondary on the same coil in the motor. But without them, it would be needed, that every motor coil would need to be made like a transformer. As this wasn't the case, this hypotheses is obviously flawed. Maybe he used the coils of the emagnets as additional coils in the secondary circuit. But then, there should have been some primary/secondary-transformer somewhere. Or he directly switched the HV, without any transformer action, but without proper switching equipment, this would have been quite difficult....
Ok, was just a guess. Maybe not a too good one  ;D Sorry!!!

But I would really be interested how that book is going!
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 11:58:33 PM by Shanti »

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #109 on: October 16, 2011, 11:31:29 PM »
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