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Title: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 15, 2010, 06:46:08 PM
This document details a device that purportedly utilizes an aether vortex to induce electric current, much like a generator, but without any moving parts.  The information is presented as it was given, with the exception that the names of those involved have been changed and all personal information has been removed. 

References are made to Nikola Tesla's Radiant Energy, Cold Current/Electricity, and the TPU Device invented by Steven Mark.

The validity of this information is left as an exercise for the reader.

The name of this 34 page document file is: Aether Vortex Energy Converter_AVEC Device_1_0.pdf

This document is accompanied by two MS-Excel files and PDFs:
M1_lookup_table1_v14.xls
M7_coil calcsv3.xls
M9_______pulsed power.pdf
M9_calcs for flybacks.pdf            link: http://powerelectronics.com/mag/801PET22.pdf
M9_mag amp control.pdf             link: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup129/slup129.pdf
M9_magnetic amplifier calcs .pdf
M9_nanosecond scr switch.pdf


Aether Vortex Energy Converter_AVEC Device_1_0.pdf is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=439

M9_magnetic amplifier calcs .pdf is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=440

Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: e2matrix on September 15, 2010, 09:08:39 PM
Fascinating find and lots here to digest.  Good to see a circuit schematic with details too.  This should be interesting to see where this goes.  Just wish I was able to jump in right now on trying some of this out.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 16, 2010, 12:31:45 AM
How disappointing - this information is heading on for 2 years old now. It's not complete nor have any of the numerous replication attempts revealed any hint of success.
For completeness you should link (or have added) this information back to Spherics original post.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 05:16:14 AM
How disappointing - this information is heading on for 2 years old now. It's not complete nor have any of the numerous replication attempts revealed any hint of success.
For completeness you should link (or have added) this information back to Spherics original post.

LOL!

Sorry things have not worked out for you, Mark.

Hmm

Actually, I am not sorry at all, and I truly hope that one day everyone sees you for what you are, and nothing less.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 16, 2010, 06:02:58 AM
I wasn't referring to just my work -- there was/is a sizable number of people with this information and actively working on replications.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 06:14:20 AM
Several hundred, but who's counting?

Translations in other languages!

Big World out there Mark, Big World!

Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: NewAge on September 16, 2010, 09:33:27 AM
Several hundred, but who's counting?

Translations in other languages!

Big World out there Mark, Big World!
Here is (http://beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=16&view=view.download&catid=10&cid=4827) translation into Bulgarian of the original Spherics post
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 04:17:38 PM
Here is (http://beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=16&view=view.download&catid=10&cid=4827) translation into Bulgarian of the original Spherics post

Bohemian is the most elegant!
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Over 100 downloads!  That makes the total well into the hundreds!
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on September 16, 2010, 05:10:26 PM
Fellows are starting pages all over ,

Lamare at Energetic

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Aether%20Vortex%20Energy%20Converter/

Chet
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 16, 2010, 05:44:54 PM
Fellows are starting pages all over ,

Lamare at Energetic

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Aether%20Vortex%20Energy%20Converter/

Chet

We need more circulation!  Thousands! Millions!
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: FatBird on September 16, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
Sigma16,

Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing the Aether Gen post.

Question.  Are there any web sites or anyplace else we can view more information and possible photos?


Thank you sir.

.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: FatBird on September 17, 2010, 02:41:09 AM
Does anybody know what a SEP COIL is?  I read the PDFs that Sigma16 posted, but they don't say.

Notice he refers to SEP COILS in his diagram.

.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 17, 2010, 02:54:44 AM
Question.  Are there any web sites or anyplace else we can view more information and possible photos?

No - there are no photos because there was no device. The design is just guesses as to what might have worked. This was the original (Spherics) own admission. There were some very good builds by several people that have proven that it does not work as described.

It's hard to determine how much may be useful in the notes - certainly the design given has proven to be false. The author (Spherics) never gave his full contact details or name - although he left his name in the meta data of some of the files he sent which matched an email address he used. Unfortunately it's a reasonably common name and we weren't able to track down the individual.

It would appear that at the very best Spherics may have been associated with some group that had something that worked but Spherics himself was not a key person -- this could explain why there is some apparently credible information mixed with bad information. Of course some people believed all the information was bad and Spherics was just scamming everyone. No one knows for sure.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on September 17, 2010, 03:52:50 AM
FatBird
Rosphere has some pics here,

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=369.msg5411#msg5411

@Mark you sound as if you are still pursuing this,despite some apprehension?
"Does not work as described" seems to hint at "potential"?
Will you comment on the good info?
or the bad info?

Chet
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 17, 2010, 04:34:46 AM
The validity of this information is left as an exercise for the reader.

Disinformation is everywhere:  hearsay, opinions, false witness, pure fiction to name a few...

A "flawed build" is as "flawed" as a "flawed interpretation of correct information".

Of course if anyone does succeed with any device, Chava may finally get that funding that is just around the corner and make you an offer - right Mark?

A group of Mexicans has Hendershot devices.  Did they ever show them to you?





Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 17, 2010, 06:25:01 AM
OK, Sigma, but this is NOT ALL the information, as you have stated.

I do like the MAG-Amp addition as this adds certain aspects, but I will not try again without someone admitting a useful output.

Seeing that I doubt there are more than a few people out there that WOULD admit that, so much for me making another try.  Still, it's tempting....

Then again, I don't know what is real anymore, including the reason for a repeat posting of this.  Is this real or disinfo?  Only the builder, spending enough time and resources will know......  At least I have saved a copy of this "Updated" version, as well.

In the end, it is what it is.  You determine the outcome - not anyone else - you do.

Try the small experiments first.  This is what most people skip over for the pot of gold, only to find they have missed the rainbow.

Saturable reactor is just one type of switch.  There are several others.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 17, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
SM's TPU and Kapanadzie devices both have video evidence that they may have worked. Spherics has no photos or video and even stated that the design he offered was not something he had ever built -- he just claimed that it should work.

Switches are probably not a major issue. We can easily generate 500V pulses with .6ns (measured experimentally) rise times with standard solid state and spark assisted switches.

Spherics suggests using very large coils (1-2 H). Lumped circuit analysis is pointless when looking at fast transients into large coils. This is one area where Spherics information was shown to be poor. I did find (experiments)  that there are interesting things happening when you look at the transmission line behavior of large coils - but nothing that appears to lead to the release of any anomalous amounts of energy.

and yes -- Chava is in a position to help any real invention get to market with several funding opportunities available. People are constantly coming to us with devices and ideas -- and we are evaluating claims all over the world. As yet, none of them have proven true.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: FatBird on September 17, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
Thank you Ramset.

.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 17, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
Spherics gave descriptions of things he had built and effect he has seen.  He gave basic requirements, which everyone seems to ignore, such as the requirement to drop 1kv across your pulse coil.   You may not achieve this with 1500v, surely not with 500v, but a few kv's will get the job done.


Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on September 18, 2010, 12:20:14 AM
Grumpy,
These kinds of quotes need to be spread around,very sound reasoning and helps to understand!

Ltbolo
Quote;

Thinking about the electrostatic/electrodynamic effects, I was viewing it from the perspective of ball lightening and those that I have heard suggest that an E field is the cause/result of a density gradient in the aether. It would stand to reason that a rapidly applied voltage gradient that forced a density change would create an aether wave, much like an explosion under water or a pistol shrimp doing its thing. That may not be a proper analogy, though.

The fact that it takes a few seconds for this to spin up is giving you a glimpse of aether behavior. Something that takes a while to spin up and down is exhibiting inertia, which makes me wonder whether pulses that are too narrow or spinning too fast might hurt the process. Not sure what it takes to impedance match or properly load your impeller, if that makes sense.

This is really at the heart of why I would personally like to start with simple experiments. By understanding how aether behaves first, it seems like it would be far easier to get this working. I guess I saw this design more as a means of understanding aether, with the expectation that other (simpler) designs might start to make sense. The big question that looms in virtually every credible device is: Where/how does the quantum energy enter the system? Once you wrap your head around that, the rest becomes implementation detail.

---------------------

Quote from here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=6ef95d351dcdb6a6ef6ac4f4c2f963cb&topic=369.msg5464;topicseen#msg5464
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 19, 2010, 07:19:11 AM
Stupid Question for you, sigma.

Saturable Reactors?  What do you mean?  I have seen no reference to them in the basic construction, nor in the coil generation, especially as there is no "Iron" (Meaning heavy ferromagnetic Matl.) in the field area.  Are you suggesting something else?  Are you hinting at something?

I was assuming that the "MAG Amp" was to be used as the switching component, to replace the MOSFET outputs, as this would be MUCH nicer, and the voltage would be easily handled.  (Well, more easily than expensive FET's, for those of use with limited resources....)  Then your
sat. react. comment threw me.  Or is this a hint towards the orig SM unit?

Just curious.  Looking for some insight.

Also, I would REALLY like insight into how one would drive an FET for the "High Side" drive shown.  That, to me, is impossible.  The FET requires a Gate to Source voltage, maxed out at around 20-40 V, depending on specs of part.  The source is ramping, at high rate, up to 2Kv.  This requires the gate to ramp with it exactly, meaning the power for the gate drive must be ramped, pushing up the output requirements, etc. etc.  I have actually attempted this, and was never able to get a useful drive that the limiting factor wasn't the gate drive.  I'm Sure you know the massive current required to drive the gate for a really good ramp time.  It can be greater than the current to the coil itself, albeit for a very short duration compared to the coils.  A low-side drive was no problem, including the timing adj, etc.  Again, just looking for any insight into that little part, as the are certain "Theoretical" advantages to the high-Side drive.  (Cap effect, etc.  I'm sure you understand better than I do.)
TIA.

sat. reactor is a superior switch

especially under certain conditions

Switched MOSFETs were "representative"

avalanche devices work well - when they work

it ain't rocket science!
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: poynt99 on September 19, 2010, 03:58:50 PM
For those interested:

Some nice diagrams tao created that go along with the spherics text. (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=369.msg5510#msg5510)

.99
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on September 19, 2010, 05:13:43 PM
HHmm..
I happen to be working down by shoreham today[Wardenclyffe].
Big article about how they are trying to save Tesla's old Lab and tower site.
seems like on long island he connected to the aquifer[all sand NO ROCK}

Any how
A quote that struck me!
Tesla
"the scientific man does not aim at immediate result!"

"He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of a planter--for the "future".His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come,and point the way.

--------------------
Poynt
point the way Bud!
its harvest time!!
Chet


 
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on September 20, 2010, 05:41:33 AM
Sigma, Thanks.   I get the idea.   Isolation helps too.

I think this deserves a new build try.  With the added understanding to help.

Many fail, after initial attempts prove that it is harder to actually get an aether vortex energy converter to work than it is to talk about it, and give up.

If you go with avalanche transistors;

1. burn them in
2. keep the damn current low
3. buy more than you need
4. know the difference between zener and avalanche
5. keep them in a conductive anti-static container far away from the coils or they may become "leaky" and not avalanche

If you use saturable reactors:

1. do the math

Remember that it is a system and the document is only a guideline.



Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: FatBird on September 25, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Any further info about this?

.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on September 25, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
FatBird,

Something tells me the Grump knows how to through a good party!
And this is "His" party!

My gut tells me we are going to learn a lot from his efforts here! [and I mean that in a good way]!

Chet
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 20, 2010, 10:13:33 PM
@grumpy

no builds yet?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 20, 2010, 11:13:49 PM
I appears that no one is interested in this device.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: e2matrix on October 21, 2010, 01:40:44 AM
I'm interested and I'm sure a lot of others are but many things still seem too obscure or secretive about how to actually construct it.  After at least 10+ years of people trying to put together a working TPU it still seems very elusive to most and if anyone has built a working unit that is real world usable they aren't talking much.  So I think a lot of people are frustrated at chasing 'possibilities' unless most all the cards are laid out on the table.  For some experimenting itself is the goal so there are a few that continue to build but for many I'm sure it is too expensive and time consuming to try every concept that comes along and see one failure after another.  I fully believe there are many ways to OU and generating useful real world energy but very few are jumping out around here.  It would seem Thane Heins has a number of things showing OU but they are not apparently easy to replicate.  It's obvious he has extensive lab equipment and machining capabilities or at least funding to do extensive builds.  And the knowledge of how to put it all together.  It appears some things are even moving toward production. 
    I personally would not hesitate to build almost anything whether it was fairly complex electronics and/or a fairly complex mechanical build if I had a good set of plans or instructions and reasonable confidence that it would work.  But I don't have the money or time to put into a lot of dead end experimentation.  If I was younger it might be worth doing the experiments for the sake of learning.  I'm good in building fairly complex electronic circuits as well as complex mechanical construction but I do not have a strong background in theory of how everything works in a circuit much less how zero point physics works in circuits.  But right now my concern is to avoid freezing in the winter if the grid goes down (and it has for extended times around here) as well as being able to afford winter heating bills while still putting food on the table. 
  Hints and more hints did not seem to help get the TPU or Kapanadze device replicated and I doubt it will work for the AVEC.  Those few who are gifted with the superior knowledge and skill to build such do not seem to wish to share.  All the while our world continues it's spiral down into a point where a real doomsday may not be far off because of our use of damaging and polluting technologies. 
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: iflewmyown on October 21, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
Grumpy said'
"It appears that no one is interested in this device."

The whole world  is interested in your device if it exists.

I think there is no device. You have only an idea from someone else that might work if somebody builds it for you. I spent two weeks this summer and built a two axis solar collector 11' x 24' that supplies about 70% of my energy needs. I have spent 25 YEARS chasing free energy devices that are claimed to work by someone. You may come see my solar panels anytime. Where is your device ...
Garry
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: ramset on October 21, 2010, 04:06:32 PM
Well, Well, Well,
Throwing stones at the messenger!
Only kidding,this is a frustrating endeavor FE
But I think that Turkish guy has a lot of attention right now,
and It seems like that would be easier [plus that one comes with "Carrots" ala "Cosmoslv"]

HOWEVER!!
Their is a guy that has a "device/thingy"
that has been tested between 400 % ------2700 % Over unity INDEPENDENTLY
Plus other big words like
INFINATE!!
and he is available for Input and replication here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.new

Thane Heinz  the inventer
AKA
Boom , Boom, Cranky Pants, Man Zilla

He got real tuff skin fighting these last few years !!
AND HIS DAY HAS COME!
Chet
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 21, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Grumpy said'
"It appears that no one is interested in this device."

The whole world  is interested in your device if it exists.

I think there is no device. You have only an idea from someone else that might work if somebody builds it for you. I spent two weeks this summer and built a two axis solar collector 11' x 24' that supplies about 70% of my energy needs. I have spent 25 YEARS chasing free energy devices that are claimed to work by someone. You may come see my solar panels anytime. Where is your device ...
Garry

AND

+1  ;)

I don't give a shit what either of you think or do. 

Any competent person, that does not have his head up his ass, (which is quite rare) can figure it out.

So, you can either keep talking a bunch of smack, or you can get off your ass and roll the dice.  I rolled the dice.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 21, 2010, 04:40:04 PM
Well, Well, Well,
Throwing stones at the messenger!
Only kidding,this is a frustrating endeavor FE
But I think that Turkish guy has a lot of attention right now,
and It seems like that would be easier [plus that one comes with "Carrots" ala "Cosmoslv"]

HOWEVER!!
Their is a guy that has a "device/thingy"
that has been tested between 400 % ------2700 % Over unity INDEPENDENTLY
Plus other big words like
INFINATE!!
and he is available for Input and replication here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.new

Thane Heinz  the inventer
AKA
Boom , Boom, Cranky Pants, Man Zilla

He got real tuff skin fighting these last few years !!
AND HIS DAY HAS COME!
Chet

What dumb asses do not see is that ALL free energy devices work on the same principles or they do not work.  No exceptions.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: FatBird on October 21, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
@ sigma16
I appears that no one is interested in this device

====================================================

WRONG, WRONG.

There are hundreds of us that are interested, but most of us are BURNED OUT from chasing RABITT TRAIL IDEAS.  YEARS HAVE PASSED with NO RESULTS.

Now most of us want to see something that looks promising before we jump in with both feet and SPEND MORE MONEY & MORE YEARS for NOTHING.

Cheers.

.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 21, 2010, 05:56:33 PM
Most people are content to talk while everyone else does the work.  They have endless excuses, such the cost of materials and equipment, they have no time, and many others.  People don't even try, and they never have anything, and only themselves to blame.

It cost very little to read free materials to find knowledge.  It costs only a little more to try experiments.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 21, 2010, 06:32:44 PM

Grumpy

Your arrogance blinds you, and you don't realize there are many many competent person in that and other forums, who can figure it out, with true help. That document which you after  I don't know how many years shared, definitely valuable in some degree, but you cannot say it's complete, and enough to replicate that device. 

We all know here, you know nearly everything, and you figured it out long long time ago. But please think about the purpose of that forum,which is to help each other, share knowledge for a better future. Here you are, who knows how every OU device (I never saw ONE that worked) works, you supposedly built one which work, and rather than sharing your work, you share others work, and bash everyone how dumbass are, because they don't figure it out.

It's very nice from you, as always.  :-[

I am not arrogant.  I just don't care anymore.  There is a difference.

I have given you a great deal of help, what have you done with it?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: steeltpu on October 21, 2010, 07:01:19 PM
I have seen this behavior since grade school.  One person knows something others do not know.  So they keep it just out of reach to make themselves feel smarter and special.  It's based in a need to feel better than everyone else.  This has been a roadblock of human nature that many researchers find themselves in when they discover something.  They get constant ego boost that no one else has figured it out while missing the bigger picture of how much good they could receive by giving it all to the universe.  Only a few seem to have the right mindset regarding this and unfortunately most of them have not yet stumbled on the right combination.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 21, 2010, 10:48:53 PM
Don't act like you ever sent me anything privately to help me, however I am remembering a PM some two years ago, where you wrote me : "You are a hungarian gipsy." It was very helpful that time, and I want to thank you for that.  :P

You see, you tell us you are not arrogant,and there is difference, because you just don't care. Who not care, will not care to post anything to anyone, but you do exactly the opposite. It's not enough you post you are not arrogant, because you know there are competent peoples here, who dumbass enough to not figure it out, but they competent enough to see what game you are playing here. :P (of course they remain silent, you know why Grumpy, because they truly don't care:P )  After a lot of silence in your topics, you post something like that how dumb we are, to keep topic alive, and start again some endless loop, where most of the time you know, and you are right, but you cannot tell us exactly how it work, we have to find the truth by our selfs.

I used the term "dumb ass" in response to stupid comments made by you and another person.  Do not twist it around to make me sound arrogant or imply that I think everyone is stupid.

No amount of information will you help you to get something to work that you do not believe will work or that you are not willing to buiild in the first place.  Unless you are willing to do the work, then do not ask for the information.

I would never call you a "gypsy", though they are a discredited people, they are far above you.

I gave you good information on the Hendrshot device and I wasted my words.

I have given two sepearate methods of creating extra energy.  You don't try any experiments but keep asking for more information.  If you are not willing to help yourself, then how do you expect someone else to help you?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sigma16 on October 22, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Then ignore me.  Oh yeah, you can't do that.
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 22, 2010, 03:45:57 AM
I appears that no one is interested in this device.
why is that do you suppose? because of incomplete information? no working principles? milehigh didn't give his approval?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: MarkSnoswell on December 27, 2015, 01:13:56 AM
Whose out there making progress?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 27, 2015, 08:56:08 AM
the first thing you have to understand when dealing with a resonant energy system,......
is resonance.

frequency, and phase.
how frequencies affects each other, and the relationship between phase shift and time.
two coherent phase signals can have exponentially increasing amplitudes- like Teslas Oscillator
two incoherent phase signals can destroy each other. - like soldiers breaking march on a bridge.

When an inductor operates in a resonant mode, its' reluctance drops to 0,
essentially turning it into a superinductor (the magnetic counterpart to a superconductor)
It is very important to learn and understand this relationship.

I hear things like " its not working, I did exactly like the build instructions said!!"
then when you ask a simple question like " what frequency is your circuit switching at?"
they don't even know.......   
like it never occurred to them that frequency could affect the performance of the device.

I guess what im trying to say is,.. if you happen to find yourself working on a resonant system,
and you have no clue what frequency or frequencies you are trying to resonate at or with....

please stop what you are doing, and take the time to study these concepts.

thank you,
               Sm0ky2
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: pomodoro on December 27, 2015, 01:25:50 PM
Nonsense like this is what makes people give up. A resonant coil does not become a superinductor or some other mystical component. Its resistance still remains although its reactance has been canceled. Where did you come up with this garbage.

Quote from: sm0ky2 link=topic=9749.msg469634#msg469634 date=1451 :D :) :) ;)202968
the first thing you have to understand when dealing with a resonant energy system,......
is resonance.

frequency, and phase.
how frequencies affects each other, and the relationship between phase shift and time.
two coherent phase signals can have exponentially increasing amplitudes- like Teslas Oscillator
two incoherent phase signals can destroy each other. - like soldiers breaking march on a bridge.

When an inductor operates in a resonant mode, its' reluctance drops to 0,
essentially turning it into a superinductor (the magnetic counterpart to a superconductor)
It is very important to learn and understand this relationship.

I hear things like " its not working, I did exactly like the build instructions said!!"
then when you ask a simple question like " what frequency is your circuit switching at?"
they don't even know.......   
like it never occurred to them that frequency could affect the performance of the device.

I guess what im trying to say is,.. if you happen to find yourself working on a resonant system,
and you have no clue what frequency or frequencies you are trying to resonate at or with....

please stop what you are doing, and take the time to study these concepts.

thank you,
               Sm0ky2
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2015, 07:41:01 AM
Nonsense like this is what makes people give up. A resonant coil does not become a superinductor or some other mystical component. Its resistance still remains although its reactance has been canceled. Where did you come up with this garbage.

first of all, I didn't say resistance, I said reluctance, which is the magnetic equivalent. Electrical resistance is not changed, what is changed is the magnetic reluctance to change in the inductive field. No heat, almost no cancelling atomic magnetic moments, no back-spikes, etc.

When the core operates at its' self-resonant frequency, the inductive losses in the system are at a minimum. "nonsense" like this is available on the inductors' data sheet
for people that don't know what it means to ignore and think its just a random statistic posted there to waste their time......

Where I personally came up with this "garbage" was in an 11'th grade college-prep course in signal processing,
which was further reinforced with advanced physics that makes things like the computer you are typing on operate.....

There is nothing mystical here, or even anything that is not known.

if you design your inductor and coil to the frequency you want to operate at, it is the most efficient.

This was all shown to us by Joseph Henry in the 1820's when he invented the inductor and the coil...... 
It's the inverse of the Faraday equations, and the point when reluctance = 0

If you don not understand these principals, all you are doing is wrapping some wire around something and wasting energy.






Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
I'll try to relay this from a different perspective...

You have an inductor, a piece of iron, or a ceramic semiconductor torroid, a pencil, whatever...

with no inducing field, all the atoms are randomly pointing in any direction, their magnetic moments are everywhere, canceling each other out
there is no detectable magnetic field outside the material.

when we bring a magnetic field close to the material, the field domains line up opposing that field.
mostly in the same direction.
Now, this takes time,... to turn them, so from a "neutral" point, it takes time X to orient the atoms against the inducing field.
(this is approx. 1/4 the self-resonant freq, but follow)

We now alternate the inducing field to the opposite direction, causing the atoms in the inductor to flip the other way.
  This takes time.
How much time? well, if you don't take a break between flipping one way to the other (because to do so would add +1/4 f)
It takes exactly 1/2 of the self-resonant freq.

So,. if you change the inducing magnetic field, at a frequency exactly twice that if the time it takes for the poles to flip from one direction to the other...
   you effectively flip poles at the maximum frequency the inductor can flip at.
Now, if we flip at a speed slower than that, the magnetic field domains revert to the "neutral state", and have to be brought back to the oriented state.
This causes a loss in energy, due to reluctance.
If you flip the field at a speed faster than that, you do not get full induction within the core, reluctive losses are much greater.

Now, some of you that have been paying attention have noticed by now that there is a difference in the self-resonant freq. and the max freq. posted on the data sheet.
 (good job if that's you!!)

There are some tiny differences in the inductor material, try as we may to perfect it, That causes the "perfect balance" in magnetic flux that we desire,
to vary slightly from the fastest possible that we can flip the field.

In a non-superconductor material, this frequency is less than the maximum.
In a true superconductor, the self-resonant frequency of an inductor is the same as its' maximum frequency.

::::For the language barrier --  those who don't understand what I mean when I talk about the frequency of the inductor
It is a factor of the response time of the inductor, meaning how many times the field domains flip from one pole to the other and back again, per second (Hz).
This corresponds exactly to both the input frequency and the output of any secondary coil(s).
This is affected by the diameter of the wire, length of the wire, number of coils, diameter(s) of coiling, and to some degree, distance from the inductor.

What it means for a system to be "resonant", is that the frequencies are coherent with one another.
They do not disrupt each others patterns.

This can be frequencies that are the same.
Frequencies that are divisible, or multiples of one another.
or frequencies that meet as certain corresponding "nodes",
      for instance 1/4th or 1/2 nodes, or nodes that may only meet once every 133 cycles.....
But what happens at these nodes is that the amplitudes of the signals are increased, not just for one, but both or all of the combining signals.
This is not just an additive quantity, but can be exponential at reoccurring intervals.

you notice the difference when you are operating in a resonant mode, because the coil and the inductor will "ring" at these resonant frequencies.
increase in amplitude. voltage /or current spikes depending on the situation. In electronics we generally treat this as a problem.
it blows out capacitors, burns resistors and diodes, fries traces on our circuit boards..
There are MANY MANY solutions to these problems. Look at the base of a radio broadcast antanae, theres a million dollar "solution" right there at the bottom.

If a resonant frequency is in the audible spectrum, you may actually hear an increase in the sound coming out of the inductor.
if you scope it, you see an increase in amplitudes

Here's your first piece of "garbage" for the day.

Take an inductor of your choice, and look at the manufacturers data sheet, find the self-resonant frequency
and engineer two coils around it to a coherent frequency of that.

Then send the self-resonant frequency though one of the coils, using a signal generator
 and take a scope image of the other.
Now compare this image to that of other frequencies NOT in the self-resonant mode.

Now you have a visual representation of the inductive losses that are present in ALL operating modes outside the resonance of the circuit.











Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2015, 08:24:03 AM

Now you have a visual representation of the inductive losses that are present in ALL operating modes outside the resonance of the circuit.

[Note: make sure your inductors self-resonant frequency is in the range your signal generator can produce, some modern inductive ceramics are self-resonant at several Ghz.]
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: pomodoro on December 28, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
Well thanks for the extra effort you put into the explanation. It makes sense this time around. Now what resonant frequency are you referring to?  The resonant frequency of the coils inductance and its windings capacitance or something else?
Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2015, 08:16:53 PM
Well thanks for the extra effort you put into the explanation. It makes sense this time around. Now what resonant frequency are you referring to?  The resonant frequency of the coils inductance and its windings capacitance or something else?

yes the self-resonance of the coil, as well as the inductor material, as defined on the data sheet
 (air coils have a self resonance defined by the volume and pressure and a modulus of nitrogen, this is generally accepted as a value of the 'permeability of free space')
they should all be coherent frequencies that aid one another in propagation.
 Ideally they would be the same frequency, but resonance can occur at octaves, multiples, divisors, and other nodes.

capacitors, switches/transistors, these all play into the overall frequency

basically what we are looking at is a change in Power over time.
  Or change in Volt * Amps per second

When you convert electricity to magnetism, the "energy" or what used to be the electrical current, takes on a purely magnetic aspect,
this is only countered by reluctance.
when the circuit is resonating at a mode which reluctance is 0, or at a minimum for that circuit, there is the least amount of loss in the conversion.
Until the energy is once again converted to electrical current in the secondary coil. Then resistance comes back into play.

a real world analogy would be like doing a hand-stand, pause for a bit, then continue back to your feet.
vs doing a cartwheel

in the latter, much less energy is consumed going from upside down to upright again.

Title: Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on December 29, 2015, 03:48:36 AM

This is not just an additive quantity, but can be exponential at reoccurring intervals.


Yes, you are absolutely correct! Tesla proved this when he attached a small handheld oscillating device to a structural iron beam in his research facility in New York. The beam started to resonate and then the whole building started shaking. People in the area started freaking out... Tesla had to grab a hammer and smash the device!

Another point worth mentioning is that the inductor used could be a permanent magnet, which should be able to be harnessed across a range of different frequencies.... I recall that Steven Mark, in his later comments, spoke of very high outputs when ultilizing rare earth magnets....

Come on guys.... this cannot be that difficult... Mark's was working with 60 hertz! I do not have the technical background or the equipment to put this together... but I do grasp the concept. I think you engineers are all looking for something that is complicated in order to figure it out, when it is all really quite simple! I think Smoky is right on target!

Inductance... reluctance... reactance... capacitance... resonance...  how difficult can it be? Perhaps Floyd Sweet's setup did not at all require conditioned magnets... just proper tuning. He did after all, first notice the phenomena in a transformer that kept running after it was turned off! (Never forget that, a run of the mill transformer in self oscillation when the primary has been turned off!) Once again... 60 HZ! So we know the frequency! A primary, a secondary and an inductor!

A torroidal core or a H style core should not have much to do with it all. Sweet just used a magnet. While Sweet wound his coils across each other at a 90 degree angle on the barium magnet... the transformer he witnessed the phenomena in was no doubt just a conventional set up. Mark's favored toroidal cores, while more efficient may not at all necessary. It is doubtful he used a toroid when when working with the rare earths, but could have.

Like the saying goes.... just 'get er done' Forget about trying to figure out why it works, concentrate on how to get it working.

And for heavens sake if you do get it working....share it! Do not be a hero and try to patent it... the world is about to go over the cliff anyway and you would be wasting your time and maybe even get yourself killed. If you want to make some money... build them and sell them to people, the market would be insatiable.