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Author Topic: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure  (Read 32802 times)

Offline sigma16

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 04:34:46 AM »
The validity of this information is left as an exercise for the reader.

Disinformation is everywhere:  hearsay, opinions, false witness, pure fiction to name a few...

A "flawed build" is as "flawed" as a "flawed interpretation of correct information".

Of course if anyone does succeed with any device, Chava may finally get that funding that is just around the corner and make you an offer - right Mark?

A group of Mexicans has Hendershot devices.  Did they ever show them to you?






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Offline sigma16

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 06:25:01 AM »
OK, Sigma, but this is NOT ALL the information, as you have stated.

I do like the MAG-Amp addition as this adds certain aspects, but I will not try again without someone admitting a useful output.

Seeing that I doubt there are more than a few people out there that WOULD admit that, so much for me making another try.  Still, it's tempting....

Then again, I don't know what is real anymore, including the reason for a repeat posting of this.  Is this real or disinfo?  Only the builder, spending enough time and resources will know......  At least I have saved a copy of this "Updated" version, as well.

In the end, it is what it is.  You determine the outcome - not anyone else - you do.

Try the small experiments first.  This is what most people skip over for the pot of gold, only to find they have missed the rainbow.

Saturable reactor is just one type of switch.  There are several others.

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2010, 09:09:31 AM »
SM's TPU and Kapanadzie devices both have video evidence that they may have worked. Spherics has no photos or video and even stated that the design he offered was not something he had ever built -- he just claimed that it should work.

Switches are probably not a major issue. We can easily generate 500V pulses with .6ns (measured experimentally) rise times with standard solid state and spark assisted switches.

Spherics suggests using very large coils (1-2 H). Lumped circuit analysis is pointless when looking at fast transients into large coils. This is one area where Spherics information was shown to be poor. I did find (experiments)  that there are interesting things happening when you look at the transmission line behavior of large coils - but nothing that appears to lead to the release of any anomalous amounts of energy.

and yes -- Chava is in a position to help any real invention get to market with several funding opportunities available. People are constantly coming to us with devices and ideas -- and we are evaluating claims all over the world. As yet, none of them have proven true.

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2010, 09:09:31 AM »
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Offline FatBird

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2010, 04:17:26 PM »
Thank you Ramset.

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Offline sigma16

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2010, 06:00:42 PM »
Spherics gave descriptions of things he had built and effect he has seen.  He gave basic requirements, which everyone seems to ignore, such as the requirement to drop 1kv across your pulse coil.   You may not achieve this with 1500v, surely not with 500v, but a few kv's will get the job done.



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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2010, 06:00:42 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2010, 12:20:14 AM »
Grumpy,
These kinds of quotes need to be spread around,very sound reasoning and helps to understand!

Ltbolo
Quote;

Thinking about the electrostatic/electrodynamic effects, I was viewing it from the perspective of ball lightening and those that I have heard suggest that an E field is the cause/result of a density gradient in the aether. It would stand to reason that a rapidly applied voltage gradient that forced a density change would create an aether wave, much like an explosion under water or a pistol shrimp doing its thing. That may not be a proper analogy, though.

The fact that it takes a few seconds for this to spin up is giving you a glimpse of aether behavior. Something that takes a while to spin up and down is exhibiting inertia, which makes me wonder whether pulses that are too narrow or spinning too fast might hurt the process. Not sure what it takes to impedance match or properly load your impeller, if that makes sense.

This is really at the heart of why I would personally like to start with simple experiments. By understanding how aether behaves first, it seems like it would be far easier to get this working. I guess I saw this design more as a means of understanding aether, with the expectation that other (simpler) designs might start to make sense. The big question that looms in virtually every credible device is: Where/how does the quantum energy enter the system? Once you wrap your head around that, the rest becomes implementation detail.

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 07:19:11 AM »
Stupid Question for you, sigma.

Saturable Reactors?  What do you mean?  I have seen no reference to them in the basic construction, nor in the coil generation, especially as there is no "Iron" (Meaning heavy ferromagnetic Matl.) in the field area.  Are you suggesting something else?  Are you hinting at something?

I was assuming that the "MAG Amp" was to be used as the switching component, to replace the MOSFET outputs, as this would be MUCH nicer, and the voltage would be easily handled.  (Well, more easily than expensive FET's, for those of use with limited resources....)  Then your
sat. react. comment threw me.  Or is this a hint towards the orig SM unit?

Just curious.  Looking for some insight.

Also, I would REALLY like insight into how one would drive an FET for the "High Side" drive shown.  That, to me, is impossible.  The FET requires a Gate to Source voltage, maxed out at around 20-40 V, depending on specs of part.  The source is ramping, at high rate, up to 2Kv.  This requires the gate to ramp with it exactly, meaning the power for the gate drive must be ramped, pushing up the output requirements, etc. etc.  I have actually attempted this, and was never able to get a useful drive that the limiting factor wasn't the gate drive.  I'm Sure you know the massive current required to drive the gate for a really good ramp time.  It can be greater than the current to the coil itself, albeit for a very short duration compared to the coils.  A low-side drive was no problem, including the timing adj, etc.  Again, just looking for any insight into that little part, as the are certain "Theoretical" advantages to the high-Side drive.  (Cap effect, etc.  I'm sure you understand better than I do.)
TIA.

sat. reactor is a superior switch

especially under certain conditions

Switched MOSFETs were "representative"

avalanche devices work well - when they work

it ain't rocket science!

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 07:19:11 AM »
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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2010, 05:13:43 PM »
HHmm..
I happen to be working down by shoreham today[Wardenclyffe].
Big article about how they are trying to save Tesla's old Lab and tower site.
seems like on long island he connected to the aquifer[all sand NO ROCK}

Any how
A quote that struck me!
Tesla
"the scientific man does not aim at immediate result!"

"He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of a planter--for the "future".His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come,and point the way.

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Poynt
point the way Bud!
its harvest time!!
Chet


 

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2010, 05:13:43 PM »
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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 05:41:33 AM »
Sigma, Thanks.   I get the idea.   Isolation helps too.

I think this deserves a new build try.  With the added understanding to help.

Many fail, after initial attempts prove that it is harder to actually get an aether vortex energy converter to work than it is to talk about it, and give up.

If you go with avalanche transistors;

1. burn them in
2. keep the damn current low
3. buy more than you need
4. know the difference between zener and avalanche
5. keep them in a conductive anti-static container far away from the coils or they may become "leaky" and not avalanche

If you use saturable reactors:

1. do the math

Remember that it is a system and the document is only a guideline.




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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2010, 02:25:31 PM »
Any further info about this?

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2010, 02:25:31 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2010, 04:37:29 PM »
FatBird,

Something tells me the Grump knows how to through a good party!
And this is "His" party!

My gut tells me we are going to learn a lot from his efforts here! [and I mean that in a good way]!

Chet

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2010, 10:13:33 PM »
@grumpy

no builds yet?

Offline sigma16

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2010, 11:13:49 PM »
I appears that no one is interested in this device.

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Aether Vortex Energy Converter (AVEC Device): Full Disclosure
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2010, 01:40:44 AM »
I'm interested and I'm sure a lot of others are but many things still seem too obscure or secretive about how to actually construct it.  After at least 10+ years of people trying to put together a working TPU it still seems very elusive to most and if anyone has built a working unit that is real world usable they aren't talking much.  So I think a lot of people are frustrated at chasing 'possibilities' unless most all the cards are laid out on the table.  For some experimenting itself is the goal so there are a few that continue to build but for many I'm sure it is too expensive and time consuming to try every concept that comes along and see one failure after another.  I fully believe there are many ways to OU and generating useful real world energy but very few are jumping out around here.  It would seem Thane Heins has a number of things showing OU but they are not apparently easy to replicate.  It's obvious he has extensive lab equipment and machining capabilities or at least funding to do extensive builds.  And the knowledge of how to put it all together.  It appears some things are even moving toward production. 
    I personally would not hesitate to build almost anything whether it was fairly complex electronics and/or a fairly complex mechanical build if I had a good set of plans or instructions and reasonable confidence that it would work.  But I don't have the money or time to put into a lot of dead end experimentation.  If I was younger it might be worth doing the experiments for the sake of learning.  I'm good in building fairly complex electronic circuits as well as complex mechanical construction but I do not have a strong background in theory of how everything works in a circuit much less how zero point physics works in circuits.  But right now my concern is to avoid freezing in the winter if the grid goes down (and it has for extended times around here) as well as being able to afford winter heating bills while still putting food on the table. 
  Hints and more hints did not seem to help get the TPU or Kapanadze device replicated and I doubt it will work for the AVEC.  Those few who are gifted with the superior knowledge and skill to build such do not seem to wish to share.  All the while our world continues it's spiral down into a point where a real doomsday may not be far off because of our use of damaging and polluting technologies. 

 

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