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Author Topic: Very simple magnet motor princip  (Read 9997 times)

Offline SwinG

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Very simple magnet motor princip
« on: April 27, 2006, 05:03:25 AM »
Hi All!

A friend of mine stumpled upon this part in a Billy Meier movie.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6530165466308380947
(Seek to 7. min. for interesting part)

I have newer seen this design before. Any one seen or heard about this?
It seems so simple, that it almost have to be a hoax, but you newer know....

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2006, 04:57:46 PM »
Hi,

That appears to be a Hammel Spinner motor. There is another similer one here:

http://theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/magneticDev/trovato/ortemus007.htm

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 09:21:45 PM »
has anyone replicated this?! seems way too easy!  :-X

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2006, 03:35:42 AM »
Jason O, thanks for the link.

There are some differences in the setup.
On the page, -Ortemus uses a slightly different design.
Firstly, a whole complete ring of magnets are used, without the missing magnet in the video from my first post.
Secondly, the video on the page shows a little test, where the used magnet ring looks not very ring-like.

If this setup is liable, a setup should be tested with the spinining magnet attached to a shaft.

I'm not good at magnets, and can't se how this should be possible from a theoretical view.
I'll order som magnets, just to test the princip.

SwinG

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 09:24:16 AM »
Great! Let me know how it comes out. I suspect that this motor may only work with the rotor magnet freewheling on the bearing. If it is like the Hamel motor, it will need to wobble in order to work right so putting it on a shaft might kill it.

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2006, 10:34:36 AM »
Thanks for comments, Jdo300 !

I have looked into this now, and it seems that you are right. But if you should be able to get any power out, I can't see any other way than putting the damn thing on a shaft.
I have thought about maybe you could get the outher ring to wobble instead (should give the same result, not?). That shoulden't take much power to do that. I red on my searching crusade, that you could get the spinner to spin continuously by wobbling the outer ring the right way. If you make a wobbling mechanism form the outer ring, and attaches a RPM or tourque monitor on the shaft, and feeds those information to the "wobble controller" in some way, this might just work. Just a thought.

It seems that some experimenters are missing the thing about the missing outer ring magnet. Although I can't explaing why, it might be an important part of the design. Any comments on that?

Here are the fruits of my crusade:

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/hamag.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hamspin.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hammnu.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hfrnrgen.htm
http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamel.html
http://www.davidhamel.com/
http://www.hcrs.at/HAMEL.HTM
http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_812.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/hameltech.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/
http://www.phact.org/e/z/hamel.htm

Thanks, SwinG

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2006, 10:37:08 AM »
Hi SwinG,

Yes, the missing magnet in the new design is quite interesting. I wonder if it eliminates the need to have the ring wobble? If I get some time, I just might try the design again with the magnet missing....

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2006, 11:07:02 AM »
not only it has a missing magnet there is also a drilled hole right?

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2006, 11:08:46 AM »
Where did you see the drilled hole? Maybe i missed that.

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2006, 11:35:25 AM »
I don't think the holes are of much or any significance, cause George Green in the clip says you can just use fridge magnets. I'm more concerned about the size, strength, amount and spacing of the magnets. There are no info regarding that.
I have ordered some Neodymn magnets. Maybee they are to strong, but I don't see how that should be off importance.

Do any of you guys have experience of the expected lifetime for neodymn magnets in continuing use?

BTW, George Green has gone full blown contactee at www.nomorehoaxes.com . If that adds to his credability or not is probably a subjective assesment. But the similarities to the David Hamel case are interesting (if not, then atleast the "who is the copycat" are interesting).
The movie clip is from a movie called "Reopeninge of the Billy Meier case", and I think it's from around 1999. Both George Green and David Hamel says the technology is related to the UFO propulsion and antigravity system, hmm... SPOOKY!

Thank's, SwinG

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2006, 02:35:19 AM »
Do any of you guys have experience of the expected lifetime for neodymn magnets in continuing use?

It depends on attraction and repulsion. If used in repulsion 5-10,000 years. In attraction is much less. Perhaps 1-200 if that. And I'm just guessing.

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2006, 02:49:04 AM »
I don't see why the ball couldn't be placed on top of a bearing ring to hold it in place. Perhaps another ring of berrings could be placed in the hole in the ring magnet in which you could place a rod to hold it steady. This should prolong the effect. Just a thought.

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2006, 11:53:10 AM »
Do any of you guys have experience of the expected lifetime for neodymn magnets in continuing use?

It depends on attraction and repulsion. If used in repulsion 5-10,000 years. In attraction is much less. Perhaps 1-200 if that. And I'm just guessing.

Hi,

I understand and have read just on the contrary: magnets of rare-earth material last at least 1000-1300 years under normal (mainly in ATTRACTION) usage and at least the same lifetime in weak or medium repulsion if they are not heated up or abused otherwise.

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Re: Very simple magnet motor princip
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2008, 03:28:51 AM »
I know this is old but I thought I would say that I have tried this experiment before and it works like in the video, meaning it will spin for about 15 seconds but then stops, I tried with and without the gap, with the gap worked better but it still will not spin forever.

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 12:52:17 PM »
I know this is old but I thought I would say that I have tried this experiment before and it works like in the video, meaning it will spin for about 15 seconds but then stops, I tried with and without the gap, with the gap worked better but it still will not spin forever.

Yes, I agree.  And the (small) rotational energy which is able to spin the rotor for some seconds comes from first the attraction of the rotor while rolling it on the table surface then attracted up,  and second it comes from the small hand movements too (but this latter is really small).

Gyula

 

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