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lancaIV

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2023, 05:32:29 PM »
A new experimental car  ,beyond lithium,below 10 000 US$ ( fob factory ) :

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8dUGOAB0plY

https://m.made-in-china.com/product/Byd-Seagull-EV-New-Fully-Enclosed-4-Wheel-Electric-Vehicle-2023-New-1994684462.html
Industrial $/Kg ratio : 10 $/Kg

Compared :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuling_Hongguang_Mini_EV
With battery  ( or without battery-direct costs),accu-lease/rent  :
With : 4500 €/665 Kg ~ 7 €/Kg
Without : 2600 €/ ....

Renault Kwid electric ,in India-market,similar Kg price range  !



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« Reply #121 on: November 05, 2023, 05:37:29 PM »

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230210IPR74715/fit-for-55-zero-co2-emissions-for-new-cars-and-vans-in-2035


 CO2 related comparison :
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/life-cycle-emissions-evs-vs-combustion-engine-vehicles/
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/lifecycle-emissions-evs-vs-gas.jpg

( 'Life cycle' definition !

https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/neue-analyse-bestatigt-autos-mit-e-fuels-sind-weit-weniger-umweltfreundlich-als-elektroautos/ )


                            battery                     hybrid                           ic engine

TOTAL                               
                         39 tCO2e                  47 tCO2e                       55 tCO2e

                                     The table calculation,with e-/syn-/fuels ?

                        Only  1/2 claimed  CO2 production/emission related conventional fuels !

                         Advantage  ?  https://patents.google.com/patent/MX2014007408A/en



Total vehicle, a.only ic engine drive b.Hybrid drive ,

CO2 emission calculating with this spanish  internal combustion engine concept ?

                                                       2020 ! What is 2023 new to tell about ?
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/08/new-internal-combustion-engine-design-produces-zero-harmful-emissions/
https://www.ennomotive.com/co2-free-internal-combustion-engine/

Here to read ,by applying that concept,about 15%  CO2-emission decrease,far away from ' zero CO2 ' :

https://www.upv.es/noticias-upv/noticia-12370-combustion-dua-en.html

The results of the first theorical-experimental tests are conclusive: compared to diesel, the technology proposed by the CMT-Thermal Engines researchers of the UPV decreases the levels of NOx and soot by 92% and 88% respectively, and CO2 emissions from the exhaust pipe by 15% - down to 52 g/tkm (gram per tonne and kilometre) -, thus getting ahead of the demanding anti-contamination regulation approved for 2025. These results have been published in the journal Energy Conversion and Management.

Renovation from older/used cars by only internal combustion engine change ?

This ' no CO2'-emission engine coupled with
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Walge+&IN=&CPC=&IC=

House electricity/heat plant


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« Last Edit: November 05, 2023, 07:49:30 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #122 on: November 07, 2023, 10:49:21 PM »
If it's true that ICE on hydrocarbons raised CO2 in the atmosphere from 300 to 400 ppm (and soil and oceans didn't affect it AT ALL), then killing the ICE will cause billion people or more or face the decision to eat the other people, or die of famine.
CO2 is plant food. Plants are our food. The Earth never needed to feed more of us.
The depopulist billionaires want to reduce our number through vaccines (Bill Gates, TED Talk) and CO2 taxes/reduction. Because they care a lot more for the world than for people.

If the Thunderstorm reactor is validated, and we keep pretending CO2 is baaaaad, then retrofitted ICE vehicles will be "greener" than EVs. And help support famine in reality, but the billionaires, academia and media like to avoid that "discussion".

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« Reply #123 on: November 08, 2023, 12:04:34 AM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green  like ?
Green !? Today the portuguese PM felt political cause ' green hydrogen' !
But me does not interest pro/contra minds by poor or rich !

R&D about physical-technical possibility,by global-wide results observation !
Taking this Garfield Wood study  car ,as experiments platform,  its technical data :

https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html

A nominal 3 KW electric drive,can be also 2 x 1,5 KW

Keiichiro Asaoka static dynamo as input/output amplifyer
David Judbarovski thermoelectric generator fueled by hydrogen,60% conversion efficiency

Can we reach an 1 gramm hydrogen per 40 Km urban drive consumption efficiency ?
Compressed 1 Kg Hydrogen ~ 33 KWh

Average 3000 W nominal electric drive sourced by 30 VA amplifyer output,cause amplification factor 2x,amplifyer 15 VA input delivered by  thermoelectric converter ,15 VA / 60% efficiency = 25 VA eqhydrogen

25 VA in 1 hour = 25 VAh / 33 000 Wh ( 1 Kg compressed hydrogen )

or 25 VAh / 33 Wh ( 1 g compressed hydrogen ) ~ ≤ 1 g hydrogen consumption per hour driving,urban cycle

Assumption : 15 000 Km per year car use ergo 15 000 Km/40 Km = 375 g hydrogen per year use !

≤ 1 Kg hydrogen production costs/worth ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=judbarovski+hydrogen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

Clearly,not many can calculate with 3000 W ( or 2x 1500 W ) mechanical force out (torque x RPM )and 30 VA electric in ,without own experience and physical functional prototype !

Electro-mechanical rotative amplifyer/transducer with C.O.P. 100x

Or only the ' C.O.P. 100x rotational transducer' and a pedal-generator ,30 VA average man/men power easy to reach !?


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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #124 on: November 08, 2023, 01:24:27 AM »
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If it's true that ICE on hydrocarbons raised CO2 in the atmosphere from 300 to 400 ppm (and soil and oceans didn't affect it AT ALL), then killing the ICE will cause billion people or more or face the decision to eat the other people, or die of famine.

In fact the plants and oceans have been absorbing massive amounts of CO2 but cannot keep up which is why the CO2 levels are rising so fast. However it's not the CO2 which is going to kill people it's the rising temperatures due to the greenhouse effect. Record temperatures have been recorded everywhere as well as wildfires and drought. Excessive heat and drought kill plants which is resulting in record crop failures.

My philosophy is different and I consider burning things for energy as primitive. It's for lazy people who aren't smart enough to figure out a better way of doing things. It's like admitting your stupid and can do no better than anyone in the past 100 years. So it's not about fossil fuels or an ICE you dim wit it's about being a real man and being able to be independent. Only children are dependent on others for everything not men.

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« Reply #125 on: November 08, 2023, 03:10:35 AM »
Cloxxki
In fact the plants and oceans have been absorbing massive amounts of CO2 but cannot keep up which is why the CO2 levels are rising so fast. However it's not the CO2 which is going to kill people it's the rising temperatures due to the greenhouse effect. Record temperatures have been recorded everywhere as well as wildfires and drought. Excessive heat and drought kill plants which is resulting in record crop failures.

My philosophy is different and I consider burning things for energy as primitive. It's for lazy people who aren't smart enough to figure out a better way of doing things. It's like admitting your stupid and can do no better than anyone in the past 100 years. So it's not about fossil fuels or an ICE you dim wit it's about being a real man and being able to be independent. Only children are dependent on others for everything not men.

AC
Severals years back there was an article about the influence from Pakistan the population its water consume and the Earth inclination change !
From actually +- 8 billions habitants to 10,5 billions times each habitant the 1.World  drinkwater use ( private/agro/industry) it can become interestant !
We can assume that in future beside energy foot/finger print also the water foot/finger print will be under strong ecological observation, means : taxed,rationalized !

' greenhouse effect' ,heat increase versus ' inverse greenhouse effect'heat decrease :

https://geographyfieldwork.com/AlmeriaClimateChange.htm   :  positive/negative albedo

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p.s.: cars with equipped atmospheric water generator(~ dehumidifier) and onboard water-electrolyzer/reformer :
everywhere is hydrogen to find

 nitrogen,78% air content, as ' fuel' ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=nitrogen+engine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
As closed cycle ,no combustion,fluid ?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=580414175&q=closed+cycle+nitrogen+engine&oq=closed+cycle+nitrogen+engine&aqs=heirloom-srp..
Zero emission,included ' zero heat emission' : heat emission gives local ' heat island' effect

Also an 100% electric society stays ,by uncontrolled heat emission ,with ambiental heat increasing condition

From the 70'in Central-Europe average 15°C in-house temperature in cold wheater period,by 20-30 sqm average living space occupation per habitant,
to now 40-45 sqm,in average, per habitant living area use and -by law demanded : average 19°C middle temperature room heating in cold wheater period  ;

100% more space consume x 100% more heat energy use ~ 400% consume =
 + 300% in before/now comparison
when 0°C to 15°C needs 100 energetic units ,0°C to 20°C needs - thermodynamical effect- 200 energetic units, here differs square/cube law ambiental physics arithmetic from pure -static maths !
20/15 = 1,33translated in :  " twenty is related 15"  33 % more,certain and right,basic school level !

in energy consumption related inroom-'meteorology' ( thermosyphon effect,maximum to minimum warm air move,air density,air humidity,volume/floor area...)
 and habitant  ,non/low heated indoor ambient,climate related human body cover/wear
Old aged mans and wifes ,here biological young/junior(junex) and old/senior(senex)divison  age-phases:

pre-/poste -    Andro-/male- Meno-/female- pause/'end'    metabolism reversion ( hormons,...)

 Pubertary age + 40 times cell regeneration a 9 months = 9 years age + 36 years

~ 45 years climaterium begin ,by man and woman,in mathematical average

More ' inside biogenetical process velocity decrease,"time"-emphaize velocity increase " cold effect'' ergo more body/mind outside artificial heating !

Our western countries society average demographic age ?
40-45 year ,pre-/poste pause/end  ,senex = senil,greis-ig/-lich,siechen   , citizen economy

1973-2023 : The ' green im/potent movement' to its own death !

End 80' economic ' to say good-bye work-place'  life reformation( ' pensionist-ism) entrance age : 45 years !
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