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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 291319 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #255 on: June 26, 2012, 01:41:31 AM »
Mile too-high
the way Ismael ecplained his system to me, is that the battery (the pwoer source) works like a buffer, in that it is IN SERIES off the cap-bank, which discharges from the MEG.
The MEG puts out 600V in cap discharging, and this is what the forklift motor runs on, so the forklift motor is the load - the forklift motor is rated at only 36V, so fact he slams that amount of voltage into it is fairly amazing in itself - hwoever he also shows absloutley no arcing at the brushes, so for that reason, having no recoil/backemf spikes, then he can run that motor on 600V cap discharge from the MEG.
The MEG itself works on the coil-shorting principles and Ismael told me is very similar to the HUBBARD coil, if you want to read up on that...so Hubbard coil with coil-shorting at peaks is what the MEG is, in nutshell.
He has the battery in series from the MEG, since the invertor/step up HV circuit in his MEG will not work or fry if the voltage input exceeds 15V or whatever it is, just like regular invertors, where they shut down above 15V input (or below 10.5V input) so the battery that also runs the whole show, also woks as buffer of sorts too, for his circuits so it has double-purpose....
so he had problems doing input measuremnts totally truthful and legit, and was asking me all about it too in preparation for taking it to that DOE lab and other places....and I gave him that coa discharge formula to help out....basically he has 600V "Behind" that 12V battery and at same time the 12V battery is running the whole show...things go crazy when thigns are OU is what is going on.
He said he had to explain the whole thing to them, and get them to totally understand it first too before the testing and it took a full day, maybe two, jsut to get the engineers up to speed.
What they saw at first was proably unbeleivable - 0 amps input and the like, so him explaining it and sor forth was to make it a good certified-by-DOE scientific test, not a smoke screen to fool people.
I dont really know exactly how they did the watts input, but simce the system will not run without that DC battery, and it is the only source of power really (antannae supplys very small power) so then that battery draining down is the only way to measure the power input and that is what they MUST of been done.
I will guess what they did analog amp meter with some HV filtering on pos of battery to the MEG supplying the 600V cap discharge to forklift motor, and also hydrometer tests (it was lead acid battery) and also battery-dain tests  too - let it go for extended period until it stops which is easy to do....If you dont want to beleive it is real that is your choice but you have burden of proof to proove something "doesnt work" after a DOE lab says it does....really that is top-of-line testing, to take something OU to a DOE lab - betery than university, and certainly better than "rejection and analysis" by internet science board posts from disbeleivers and skeptics.
If you want more info on what nput tests exactly were, you will have to contact the DOE lab since I wasnt there.  but it couldnt be too hard to see what amps are flowing from a DC lead acid battery eventually into forklift motor and remember this system is way OU in itself.
also I have told you already its X3 more voltage into caps instancly with coil shorting when you fro example pass  neo magnets past coils to make power AND the output does not get reflected back to source too, so that is what it is...usually, thanks to lenz-law when you make 100W for instance the "source" or "prime mover" (in my case motor or motor coil spiing gernator rotor of neo magnets) will also in consequence go up in draw 100W....this is usually how it is...but in case of coil-shorting at peaks really quick, the draw to rpimemover/source does nto go up when power is made...so have anwered all your questions and you wil have to go elsewhere to get more answers to prove what you make up to be the case..
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #255 on: June 26, 2012, 01:41:31 AM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #256 on: June 26, 2012, 02:12:54 AM »
Konehead:

For the DOT lab, Ismael was supposed to provide their official report within two months.  At least 10 months had passed by with no report and then I lost track of the story.  Did Ismael ever provide the DOT report like he promised?

My impression is that Ismael made arrangements to get access to the DOT lab.  This was out of the ordinary and therefore taking away from the "official" use of the equipment.  There was not necessarily any engineers there.  It's just a testing station to make sure cars and trucks are street legal.  There could have been a mixture of operators and technicians there.  Their may have been some engineers present, but in the day to day operation of that station you don't need engineers.

Then they put the buggy on the dyno and they produced their report on the measured mechanical output power.  Somebody must have signed the report, it was not necessarily an engineer, it could have been the operator of the dynamometer testing machine.  If an engineer had signed it the issue of the accuracy of the very low power measurement should have been addressed in the report.  Whoever signed it is not likely accountable in any way.  This whole event was just an exception to the normal day to day operations of the test center.  The only paper work the people that work at the test station are worried about is the real paperwork associated with their job functions.  All of this is speculation on my part and taking into account my impressions of the videos.

So the point that I am trying to get across is this may not be as officially endorsed by engineers as you think.

Regarding the use of coil shorting and cap pulsing goes, I can't really comment.  What I can say is that whenever a capacitor is being charged there is Lenz drag on the moving magnet.  In my opinion the thing that you have to do is see if you really have anything worth investigating by making input vs. output power measurements first.

Then you need to use your scope to document and figure out what's going on.  You make lots of speculations about what the circuit is doing with lots of prose, and all of them can be confirmed or denied with a scope.  For this type of work that's all based on pulse circuits, your scope is king.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #257 on: June 26, 2012, 02:23:26 AM »
Konehad:

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but in case of coil-shorting at peaks really quick, the draw to rpimemover/source does not go up when power is made

You have to prove that with measurements.  Like I already said, if you assume that your moving magnets are on a rotor, you can't necessarily perceive that the rotor slows down with a quick test using your five senses.  You draw a very tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor when you do a really quick shorting at the peak.  Then when the coil is charging the capacitor, you draw another tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor.

Whenever current is flowing through the coil it is acting like a magnet in opposition to the rotor magnet.  Nobody has a work-around for that one at this point in time.  You can talk about cheating Lenz' law and that's fine - then you have to go an back up your theories or statements with hard data.  That's supposed to be the fun part.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #257 on: June 26, 2012, 02:23:26 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #258 on: June 26, 2012, 05:14:06 AM »
Updated version of my code...


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////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//                                                  COIL SHORTING v1.0 by kEhYo77@gmail.com                                                           //
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


const int plsPin = 5;                                 // dedicated pin for using hardware counter to measure triggering frequency
const int csmPin = 10;                                // signal pin output to control COIL SHORTING MODULE (CSM)
const int int0Pin = 2;                                // dedicated pin for using hardware interrupt 0
const int delayPot = 1;                               // potentiometer for setting the delay period befor the shorting starts to occure
const int countPot = 2;                               // potentiometer for setting the number of shorting pulses per trigger event
const int pulsePot = 3;                               // potentiometer for setting the pulse widtch of shorting event
const int bemfPot = 4;                                // potentiometer for setting the period to collect BEMF from the shorting event
unsigned int count;                                   // variable used by the hardware timer function
unsigned int shtDelay = 0;                            // time window delaying shorting sequence after zero crossing detection trigger
unsigned int shtPulse = 0;                            // time window for coil shorting pulse width (CMS ON)
unsigned int shtBEMF = 0;                             // time window for BEMF recovery from shorting the coil (CMS OFF)
unsigned int shtCount = 0;                            // number of shorting events per trigger, numer of shorts
unsigned int frequency = 0;                           // zoro crossing detector triggering frequency from the hardware counter
volatile boolean pulseON = false;                     // variable that can be changed from within the interrupt function


//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// INITIALISATION ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


void setup() {
  pinMode(csmPin, OUTPUT);                            // prepering output pin for coil shorting module ON/OFF controll
  digitalWrite(csmPin, LOW);                          // CSM is OFF which means that the coil has 'OPEN' ends
  pinMode(plsPin, INPUT);                             // prepering the pin for input
  digitalWrite(plsPin, HIGH);                         // hardware counter setup for counting input pulses
  pinMode(int0Pin, INPUT);                            // prepering the pin for input to trigger hardware interrupt 0
  bitClear(ADCSRA,ADPS0);                             //  \
  bitClear(ADCSRA,ADPS1);                             //   } running analog pot inputs with higher than normal speed clock (set prescale to 16)
  bitSet(ADCSRA,ADPS2);                               //  /
  TCCR1A=0;                                           // reset timer/counter control register & starting the clock counting pulses from pin 5 input
  getCount();                                         // getting the value from the hardware trigger counter on pin 5
  attachInterrupt(0, trigger, RISING);                // enables INT0 interrupt on Pin 2 input to execute CSM turn ON/OFF cycle
  Serial.begin(115200);                               // send and receive through USB serial port at 9600 baud rate
}


////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// MAIN  LOOP //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


void loop() {
  if (millis()%1000==0) {                             // executed when a realtime clock reaches full second (every second)
    frequency = getCount();                           // triggering frequency readout from the hardware counter
    shtDelay = analogRead(delayPot);                  // setting the delay time window (1024 us maximum)
    shtCount = analogRead(countPot)/128;              // setting the number of pulses (8 times maximum)
    shtPulse = analogRead(pulsePot)/16;               // setting the pulse width of a coil shorting event (64 us maximum)
    shtBEMF = analogRead(bemfPot)/8;                  // setting the time window for BEMF recovery (128 us maximum)
  }
  if (millis()%3000==0) {                             // executed every 3 seconds
    Serial.print("pulseCOUNT: ");
    Serial.println(shtCount);                         // prints the shorting pulse count in the Arduino's serial monitor
    Serial.print("pulseWIDTH: ");
    Serial.println(shtPulse);                         // prints the shorting pulse width
    Serial.print("windowBEMF: ");
    Serial.println(shtBEMF);                          // prints the shorting pulse width for BEMF recovery
    Serial.print("tFREQUENCY: ");
    Serial.println(frequency);                        // prints the triggering frequency
    Serial.println("");
  }
}


///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// End of the MAIN LOOP /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


void trigger() {                                      // function executed at trigger event
  if (shtPulse!=0 && shtBEMF!=0 && shtCount!=0) {     // do the shorting when every pot's value is bigger than 0
    if (shtDelay!=0) {
      for (int k=0; k<<shtDelay; k++){                // time delay before the shorting event
        bitClear(PORTB, csmPin - 8);                  // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
        bitClear(PORTB, csmPin - 8);                  // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
      }
    }
    for (int j=1; j<=shtCount; j++){                  // do the shorting X times
       for (int i=0; i<=10; i++){                     // do the coil shorting, output goes HIGH
          bitSet(PORTB, csmPin - 8);                  // the quickest way to turn the output pin HIGH
            for (int x=0; x<=shtPulse; x++) {
              bitSet(PORTB, csmPin - 8);              // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
              bitSet(PORTB, csmPin - 8);              // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
            }
          bitClear(PORTB, csmPin - 8);                // output goes LOW for a period of BEMF recovery value
            for (int x=0; x<=shtBEMF; x++) {
              bitClear(PORTB, csmPin - 8);            // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
              bitClear(PORTB, csmPin - 8);            // 'blank' function costing 0,5 us delay time
            }
       }
    }
  }
  pulseON = true;                                     // sets the variable to indicate that there was a shorting pulse sequence
}


unsigned long getCount()  {                           // returns the current count of pulses from pin 5, resets the count, and starts counting again
  TCCR1B = 0;                                         // Gate Off / Counter Tn stopped
  count = TCNT1;
  TCNT1 = 0;
  bitSet(TCCR1B ,CS12);                               // Counter Clock source is external pin
  bitSet(TCCR1B ,CS11);                               // Clock on rising edge
  bitSet(TCCR1B ,CS10);                               // you can clear this bit for falling edge
  return count;
}


///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////  The END  //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #259 on: June 26, 2012, 05:30:42 AM »
Konehad:

You have to prove that with measurements.  Like I already said, if you assume that your moving magnets are on a rotor, you can't necessarily perceive that the rotor slows down with a quick test using your five senses.  You draw a very tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor when you do a really quick shorting at the peak.  Then when the coil is charging the capacitor, you draw another tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor.

Whenever current is flowing through the coil it is acting like a magnet in opposition to the rotor magnet.  Nobody has a work-around for that one at this point in time.  You can talk about cheating Lenz' law and that's fine - then you have to go an back up your theories or statements with hard data.  That's supposed to be the fun part.

MileHigh

From the looks of it, Kehyo seems to know what he wants to do and how to do it. Im sure when he gets it all together, we will see scopes and meters. Lets at least give him a chance to get it all together. ;)


Kehyo, how many shortings will happen at and around each peak? Also, what freq/time on and off?

Thanks 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #259 on: June 26, 2012, 05:30:42 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #260 on: June 26, 2012, 06:00:33 AM »
mile too-high
you really like to make stuff up in your imnagination
the offical report came out about a month later there are photos of it and what it says on pesiwki I have seen it so has everyone else too (but I guess not you).
Engineers were there, the DOE people and lots of them...(again you make stuff up )videos of all the engineers and all are there in video IF you want to watch it and study it.
Ismael got permission for THEM to test his stuff - they are interested since his tech can save lots of enegy consumption in phillipines....it was not done for Ismael to use THEIR LAB to fabricate fake-confirmation his system is OU like you insinutate, ... the DOE engineers declared it OU.
I am relaly THROUGH replying to you about this subject of Ismel being "credible" you are not credilbe, or beleiveable yourself  that is for sure.
 you seem like someong looking for fight and argument about stuff you know nothign about and dont want to learn about either since you have decided already on its validity. its very irratating and wasting my time really sorry.
 
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #261 on: June 26, 2012, 06:04:41 AM »
@Magluvin


It's there in the code comments ;)
I plan to do maximum of 8 shorts per peak (it will depend on the frequency), where the duration of the short is no longer than 64 us.
Ismael said something about this to be in the range of 0,02 - 0,05 ms to get the best results although I might try to go as low as 1 us
when the coil being shorted will be of very low impedance. (low impedance is very important according to Ismael)
When it comes to the frequency of shorting, the BEMF from my coil oscillates at 250 kHz but I will try to work with 25 kHz with additional capacitor in parallel with my primary to resonate at this frequency.
I will be shorting low impedance secondary coil of my air core transformer

At first, a zero crossing detector triggers Arduino's pin No. 2 causing an immediate execution of the interrupt  trigger() function
The micro-controller now 'knows' that our sine wave signal has just crossed 0 and it must 'wait' for the peak to occur (a delay period set with pot 1 in micro seconds)
If any of the potentiometers' values, beside the no 1, equal zero then the shorting will not be executed.
This maneuver allows me to stop the shorting quickly while I am setting a value on any of the pots, if something goes wrong :) .
After the short (duration set with pot 3) there is a regulated w time window to collect the collapsing field from the short. (a delay set with pot 4)
And the short-collect cycle happens x times (no of repetitions set with pot 2)

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #262 on: June 26, 2012, 06:19:20 AM »
Mile way too high
I am through on subject of ismael with you but will do jsut one more reply on the coil-shorting not affecting draw - I put it all up on the RomeroUK Muller thread here a few montsh ago and I am not going to spend an hour to dig it up for you and link my experiment-results for you either so you find it yourself there on OU,com Muller thread where Romero makes the looper work....its towward the end of the 200 or 300 pages there.
that is, if you really want "written" proof go there, and I doubt you do, you jsut want to argue some more your hopeless case.
I used rpm meter., and also analog meter on power input to puelse DC coils spinnng  rotor of large flat rotor of 8 neo magnets, spinning past coils each side of rotor being shorted into fairly big caps  it would reflect alitllte bit on motor draw, UNTIL I got it down to the "ratio" of .5ms time-length to coilshort of a sinewave peaks, and this was with 60hz sinewave. dont tell me my meauserements were not accurate and you wat proof and how do you know I am not lying and you want proof and how much do you know about electronics and you want proof of my credetnials and was the meters calibrated and you want prrof and it was pulsed DC so how do you know if hte analog meter was right and you want proof and was the battery in your rpm meter fullcharged and you want prrof and did you have the rpm meter locked in rpms and so it didnt who any slow-daown and you want proof and how do youknow if hte cap was connecedte an filling up for sure and you want proof and all else that gets thrown out witt the trash.
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #263 on: June 26, 2012, 01:30:38 PM »
Konehesd:

I found the report.  I simply forgot about it, it came out so long after the testing.

Here it is:

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2011/10/18/9501935_Philippine_DOST_Report_of_Aviso_Overunity_Electric_Vehicle/Report_on_Ismael_Aviso-v3.pdf

You are the one making up things about this report. 

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This report presents results of preliminary tests conducted as part of an investigation of
Mr. Ismael Aviso’s electric vehicle. The tests were conducted at the UPME Vehicle
Research and Testing Laboratory (VRTL) on February 24, 2011. The tests, considered as exploratory only and a prelude to a more exhaustive examination, aimed to (a) perform
an energy accounting of the electric vehicle when running at a specified steady state
condition and (b) determine the range for a given battery charge. The energy accounting
consisted of power measurement at the wheels using the chassis dynamometer and
voltage-current measurements at the batteries. 


They state that they measured the battery power draw with a DSO which is good.  But in the report they say the following:

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The “Output Power” is the
wheel power measured with the dynamometer. AC input power is (VA x pf) while input power from the battery is ( Vave x Iave ).


The highlighted text shows that they were measuring the power draw from the battery using the average voltage and the average current, which is wrong and very bad.

Here is the conclusion:

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Comparison of the output power vs. the input power when running on Aviso Tech seems
to indicate an “unaccounted for” source of power or energy responsible for the higher
values of output power than input power. It is strongly recommended that a more detailed examination and testing of the Aviso electric vehicle be conducted to address this observation.


Not a single person in the Filipino DOT has signed their name to this document.  So what are talking about when you say a bunch of engineers verified and confirmed this system works as claimed?  Your statements are not true.

Sorry the text is all bold because of a problem with the text formatting and I am not going to try to fix it.

There are no conclusions in this report and nobody even signed their name to it.  They also compare Ismael's system with a mains transformer hooked up to a FWBR to make a power supply.  They measure the "power in" from the mains power line which makes no sense.

I seriously doubt that we will ever see a follow-up report that is more seriously done with real engineers taking responsibility for the report and the data and signing their names to the document. 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #264 on: June 26, 2012, 01:44:37 PM »
Konehead:

I didn't really want to talk about Ismael's car project myself.  But I found the preliminary report and gave you my comments.

I was really talking about the clip where he claims the three-to-one increase in energy with the magnet moving past the coil and the coil shorting and the collection of the energy into the caps.

That is nothing more than a claim made by Ismael with no data to back it up.  My main point is that you must have data to back up claims like this and you must show your input and output measurements.  Without doing that, then you have nothing.

You seem to be alleging that with a shorting pulse below a certain length of time, that you can put energy into the caps without drawing off energy from the magnets moving past the pick-up coils.  That's not happening at all.  What's happening is that with a very short pulse you are only drawing off a very small amount of energy and you can deceive yourself into believing that you are not drawing any energy off from the moving magnets.

You state that you have done some full tests with output and input measurements?  Please show them to us.   All that I know from the stuff that you have posted is that you always talk about the output, I can't recall a single time you discussed the input.

The bottom line is that for all of these coil shorting/cap dump experiments is that you absolutely must measure the input and the output.  If you don't measure the input and just focus on the output then you are just having fun but you can't make any claims at all about any alleged over unity in the circuit.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2012, 04:30:22 PM »
Hi,
If I may chime in, Ismael did say in one of his videos, that the power output cannot be measured because of high voltage transient spikes and he said he already damaged some scopes because he is trying to measure the output, thats why the DOST of the philippines did not take the risk of frying their oscilloscope, and only used the dyno's result to estimate the power that is coming out of the wheels...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2012, 04:30:22 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #266 on: June 26, 2012, 04:39:54 PM »
Konehad:

You have to prove that with measurements.  Like I already said, if you assume that your moving magnets are on a rotor, you can't necessarily perceive that the rotor slows down with a quick test using your five senses.  You draw a very tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor when you do a really quick shorting at the peak.  Then when the coil is charging the capacitor, you draw another tiny amount of mechanical energy from the spinning rotor.

Whenever current is flowing through the coil it is acting like a magnet in opposition to the rotor magnet.  Nobody has a work-around for that one at this point in time.  You can talk about cheating Lenz' law and that's fine - then you have to go an back up your theories or statements with hard data.  That's supposed to be the fun part.

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But what about the speed under load thread? or Thane heins regenerative acceleration coils? Aren't they lenz killer? For what I know it can also be made in solid state...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #267 on: June 26, 2012, 04:43:20 PM »
Hi,
If I may chime in, Ismael did say in one of his videos, that the power output cannot be measured because of high voltage transient spikes and he said he already damaged some scopes because he is trying to measure the output, thats why the DOST of the philippines did not take the risk of frying their oscilloscope, and only used the dyno's result to estimate the power that is coming out of the wheels...

Yes,yes yes! Here is the analogy : if you slowly put hand into water there is not much resistance but if you slap it fast water will respond like solid wall. Now inside water there is more to be done because this effect occur only at the barrier, so you have to create a bit of air or bubble inside then slap throught the bubble.
You see ,universe is simple ,everytime there is common analogy and every electrical device is just that...

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #268 on: June 26, 2012, 06:24:11 PM »
Crazyct06 and Forest:

In this case the output is measured mechanically on dynamometer, so there is no issue.  As far a transient spikes go and stuff like that goes, it all can be measured also.  Those things have to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

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if you slowly put hand into water there is not much resistance

Exactly, but the key is there is still some resistance and it can be measured.

You can indeed make analogies to any electrical circuit.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #269 on: June 26, 2012, 07:14:08 PM »
Konehead:

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I used rpm meter., and also analog meter on power input to puelse DC coils spinnng  rotor of large flat rotor of 8 neo magnets, spinning past coils each side of rotor being shorted into fairly big caps  it would reflect alitllte bit on motor draw, UNTIL I got it down to the "ratio" of .5ms time-length to coilshort of a sinewave peaks, and this was with 60hz sinewave. dont tell me my meauserements were not accurate and you wat proof

I can't comment at all about the specifics of your setup.  It sounds like you were driving a pickup-coil/shorting/cap pulser setup with a motor and monitoring the RPM of the drive motor.  If that's the case then it's perfectly conceivable that the drop in the motor RPM was imperceptible when you got it down to 0.5 mSec.  You are dealing with the same measurement phenomenon here.  Also, were you draining the caps afer each pulse?

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you really like to make stuff up in your imnagination
the offical report came out about a month later there are photos of it and what it says on pesiwki I have seen it so has everyone else too (but I guess not you).
Engineers were there, the DOE people and lots of them...(again you make stuff up )videos of all the engineers and all are there in video IF you want to watch it and study it.

I do NOT "make stuff up" and I resent you stating that.  I gave you my honest impressions of the DOT testing from my memory from more than a year ago.  I didn't state that my impressions are absolute facts.  Then I found the preliminary report and read it again and commented on it.

I am NOT a bullshitter and you have a problem with people that disagree with you.  That's what a forum is all about, a respectful debate about different subjects of common interest.

Like I said, I am not really interested in the DOT test of the buggy.  It was raised in the thread and I gave people my impressions.  I will not have that twisted and spun into allegations that I am making stuff up or intentionally trying to confuse people - that is totally unacceptable.

My primary interest is in the allegation of 3:1 energy gain with the coil shorting technique.  I stated that that has to be confirmed with serious scientific measurements on both the input and the output and nobody can disagree with that.

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