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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 259153 times)

Offline teslaalset

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2011, 05:04:42 PM »

The load not a exactly 2,000watts, but only 800watts since the volts across the load only vary from 85v - 92v.

I vote to send Ismael back to High School.

Why?
Well, 2000 Watt/220V light bulbs have an estimated resistance of 24.2 ohms.
(R=Volt^2/Power, NOT Volt/Power!!)
At 85 - 92V this means a power consumption of roughly 300 - 350 Watt, not 800 Watt

His statements are full of this kind of crucial mistakes.
He seriously needs to check his data otherwise he is just scamming without even knowing it himself.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2011, 05:25:32 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2011, 05:04:42 PM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2011, 05:40:12 PM »
I vote to send Ismael back to High School.

Why?
Well, 2000 Watt/220V light bulbs have an estimated resistance of 24.2 ohms.
(R=Volt^2/Power, NOT Volt/Power!!)
At 85 - 92V this means a power consumption of roughly 300 - 350 Watt.

His statements are full of this kind of crucial mistakes.
He seriously needs to check his data otherwise he is just scamming without even knowing it himself.

@teslaalset,

As I have stated previously incandescent light bulbs are poor overunity demonstration
devices because they suffer from negative thermal resistance. This means that the
resistance of the filament is variable and a cool bulb will be a much lower resistance.
So these bulbs tend toward operating as constant power devices. This can help
stabilize the output power of a raw overunity generator, but it also means that it is
very difficult to know exactly what wattage a bulb is operating at. Most likely he has
measured the wattage of these bulbs at the reduced voltages. And I would imagine
his numbers are correct.

I recommend a LED bulb be used as a demonstrators as they transmit much more
energy away from the generator as light rather then having energy hanging around
as heat.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2011, 07:25:54 PM »

i think ismael needs a nap.  he seems to be confused about more than math.  i think he put the wrong video with the comments he made.  notice the number and type of batteries.  i only see about a half dozen 6 volt golf cart batteries.  i went to motolite website to see how big a 24h battery is.  couldn't find a listing...... 

if anyone can find this battery, please post a link.

tom

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2011, 07:25:54 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2011, 07:57:21 PM »
Bolt: when comes to peaceful intervention of US in Libya, there prices of oil fall aftermath to under 80/barrel. Who would be interested in free energy and Ismael works? But this Libya oil will make good to US and rest of the silly world for 3-4y. Who will be next to jump on with peace? Hugo Chavez. Iran not, cos he is close to Russia. I think when although electrogravity vechicles can not drop bombs, but fly invisible over States, Hugo will eagerly pay Ismael 500m. What is better: to have invisible spy and transport plane or nothing against US? Do You bet how many Hugo pays Ismael? And how many for own nuke;-] Had i not earlier mentioned, that peace and hot kitchen are best purposes for free energy? When don^t need uranium to make peace.....

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2011, 07:57:59 PM »

maybe this is the one he has...

http://www.motolite.com/battery.php?id=15

part #OM24-12

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2011, 08:05:16 PM »
@teslaalset,

As I have stated previously incandescent light bulbs are poor overunity demonstration
devices because they suffer from negative thermal resistance. This means that the
resistance of the filament is variable and a cool bulb will be a much lower resistance.
So these bulbs tend toward operating as constant power devices. This can help
stabilize the output power of a raw overunity generator, but it also means that it is
very difficult to know exactly what wattage a bulb is operating at. Most likely he has
measured the wattage of these bulbs at the reduced voltages. And I would imagine
his numbers are correct.

I recommend a LED bulb be used as a demonstrators as they transmit much more
energy away from the generator as light rather then having energy hanging around
as heat.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Mark,

I respect your loyalty to Ismael, but a factor of 2 in resistance value is a lot in this particular case.

In general, I think this guy needs to be a bit more structured in doing his measurements.
Using light bulb or even leds is certainly not a good reference, we all know that.
Until then, I remain skeptic.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2011, 08:26:37 PM »
I vote to send Ismael back to High School.

Why?
Well, 2000 Watt/220V light bulbs have an estimated resistance of 24.2 ohms.
(R=Volt^2/Power, NOT Volt/Power!!)
At 85 - 92V this means a power consumption of roughly 300 - 350 Watt, not 800 Watt

His statements are full of this kind of crucial mistakes.
He seriously needs to check his data otherwise he is just scamming without even knowing it himself.
Give attention.
This resistance is true  IF its lightning at full power !!

If the bulb ist off . (filament cold) so the resistance can be the half ,
(pls test this exactly out) .
That say that an 80Volt red glowing lamp have not 24 ohms . possibly lower than 20 Ohms.

The Ampers and watt´s must be calculated another way !
Pese

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #97 on: March 03, 2011, 08:48:48 PM »
@ Pese . In the past you described a method to estimate power consumption of a light bulb . It is an old Amateur Radio method . Make a box divided into two equal compartments with a frosted glass lid . Place the bulb under test in one compartment . Place a second identical bulb in the second compartment . Feed the second bulb from a DC power supply fitted with volt and amp meters . Adjust DC power supply so both bulbs are equally bright .Calculate power= IxV .Do you think this method would work here? You could measure the brightness more accurately by a small solar cell and milliamp meter .

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2011, 09:59:28 PM »
Proper measurements are very easy to do. The use of battery terminal voltages and guessing lamp brightness will always have a massive discrepancy.  Despite the fact the DOE car tests clearly showed a good OU device these silly tests without proper measurements will not do Ismeal any favours.

Put a volt meter on the batteries and a current shunt to get i/p watts. Do the same with the load. Volts and AMPS and then a scope shot to make sure we are looking at either SINE or DC on the o/p A 3kw electric heater is a good load and then measure accurately the power going to it.

If the MEG is unchanged from the car data tests it has a COP of 2.7. For 1000 watt load the battery will be providing around 370 watts.

A 24Ah battery has about 288 watt hour so two in series capacity 576 watt hour. However lead acid is rated at 20 hour discharge. Within 1 or 2 hour discharges capacity can be 30% less. This assuming the batteries are brand new is enough to supply 1kw out of the meg for about 90 mins while the battery load is a constant 370 watts.

Its loopable assuming 1kw  is a 24/7 comfortable MEG  figure without over heating. 370 watts needs to go back plus losses could need a total of 470 watts going back if using inverters and lead batteries. This means it can loop and run a 530 watt load indefinitely.

However it would be so much better to see all this properly measured and recorded. Its also interesting that Ismael is considering using the MEG as a power source as i strongly suggested about a year ago  without it being tied to an electric car.


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #99 on: March 03, 2011, 10:54:49 PM »
@bolt . You are of course quite correct in all you say .I especially agree about using the MEG independently of the electric car . However , as previously stated in other threads , the two lamp idea can still be very useful in devices where the output consists of complex waveforms . All that I ask is that people keep this useful device in mind as an additional weopon in their armoury .

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2011, 01:09:14 AM »
Proper measurements are very easy to do. The use of battery terminal voltages and guessing lamp brightness will always have a massive discrepancy.  Despite the fact the DOE car tests clearly showed a good OU device these silly tests without proper measurements will not do Ismeal any favours.

Put a volt meter on the batteries and a current shunt to get i/p watts. Do the same with the load. Volts and AMPS and then a scope shot to make sure we are looking at either SINE or DC on the o/p A 3kw electric heater is a good load and then measure accurately the power going to it.

If the MEG is unchanged from the car data tests it has a COP of 2.7. For 1000 watt load the battery will be providing around 370 watts.

A 24Ah battery has about 288 watt hour so two in series capacity 576 watt hour. However lead acid is rated at 20 hour discharge. Within 1 or 2 hour discharges capacity can be 30% less. This assuming the batteries are brand new is enough to supply 1kw out of the meg for about 90 mins while the battery load is a constant 370 watts.

Its loopable assuming 1kw  is a 24/7 comfortable MEG  figure without over heating. 370 watts needs to go back plus losses could need a total of 470 watts going back if using inverters and lead batteries. This means it can loop and run a 530 watt load indefinitely.

However it would be so much better to see all this properly measured and recorded. Its also interesting that Ismael is considering using the MEG as a power source as i strongly suggested about a year ago  without it being tied to an electric car.


Ismael

Already signed of  tired, mixing everything so don't expect a clear data or measurement from Ismael, Actually he is not using any tester now, just common sense.  He 's no proper sleep for the last 5 days, because MEG R & D. The sure thing to what he is doing now, he still running the same 2,000 watts bulbs with 110V across the bulbs terminal & the batteries start from 270V drops to 266V only from 6,000watts for more than 6 hours now.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2011, 01:19:53 AM »
Proper measurements are very easy to do. The use of battery terminal voltages and guessing lamp brightness will always have a massive discrepancy.  Despite the fact the DOE car tests clearly showed a good OU device these silly tests without proper measurements will not do Ismeal any favours.

Put a volt meter on the batteries and a current shunt to get i/p watts. Do the same with the load. Volts and AMPS and then a scope shot to make sure we are looking at either SINE or DC on the o/p A 3kw electric heater is a good load and then measure accurately the power going to it.

If the MEG is unchanged from the car data tests it has a COP of 2.7. For 1000 watt load the battery will be providing around 370 watts.

A 24Ah battery has about 288 watt hour so two in series capacity 576 watt hour. However lead acid is rated at 20 hour discharge. Within 1 or 2 hour discharges capacity can be 30% less. This assuming the batteries are brand new is enough to supply 1kw out of the meg for about 90 mins while the battery load is a constant 370 watts.

Its loopable assuming 1kw  is a 24/7 comfortable MEG  figure without over heating. 370 watts needs to go back plus losses could need a total of 470 watts going back if using inverters and lead batteries. This means it can loop and run a 530 watt load indefinitely.

However it would be so much better to see all this properly measured and recorded. Its also interesting that Ismael is considering using the MEG as a power source as i strongly suggested about a year ago  without it being tied to an electric car.


Ismael goal to run the bulbs 24hours a day 7 days a week forget the measurement.

All Of His testing instrument BUSTED from RADIANT ENERGY SPIKES. he is using only his senses now,,, ears for sound & eyes for intensity of brightness & nose for burning coil insulation.

E car has own Build in MEG. Need first to solve the overheating from problem.


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2011, 01:37:28 AM »

These various videos he is making are not real time. So his development cycle
seems more compressed then it actually is. One thing he should be concerned
about is rotating too much energy through each of his acid/lead batteries -
essentially wearing them out even if they stay charged up. The sooner I see
someone who says that his setup is actually producing this energy for them,
the better I will like it.

It's like the humans who first invented fire. Get the thing out there and starting
to do some good, we'll be glad to discuss it's "magic" later on.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #103 on: March 04, 2011, 11:45:50 AM »
Here's an interesting video from Altrez of the Energetic Forum Ismael Aviso thread. Altrez runs a piece of magnet wire from a microwave oven to the negative pole of a 9 volt rechargable Ni-Cad battery and raises the voltage. Ground scouring or rectenna effect?
Same gigahertz Ishmael multiplies his cell tower signal up to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJP1xRvevoc

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2011, 06:41:04 AM »
I vote to send Ismael back to High School.

Why?
Well, 2000 Watt/220V light bulbs have an estimated resistance of 24.2 ohms.
(R=Volt^2/Power, NOT Volt/Power!!)
At 85 - 92V this means a power consumption of roughly 300 - 350 Watt, not 800 Watt

His statements are full of this kind of crucial mistakes.
He seriously needs to check his data otherwise he is just scamming without even knowing it himself.

Don't worry Ismael so exited & tired ( mistake on calculation usually happen to any devoted inventor's ) on His MEG R & D newly born less than two weeks after they assemble it. We have new two video showing the big difference  between a normal load of 1,000 watts & the voltage drop per minute, against 1,000 load with MEG system & voltage drop per minute using same batteries. They have very big difference.

 

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