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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 263651 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2011, 03:37:12 PM »
New email from Isamel:

Testing figure

Testing DATA 5 

Test1.

Meralco: 1,300watts/  6.4amps./  223 V    Dyno: 291 Newton /  570 watts

Aviso tech: 308 watts/  13amps / 23.74 v  Dyno :210 Ntwn / 418 watts


Test2

Meralco: 2000watts/ 9.5Amps / 227V  V  Dyno: 455 Newton / 931 watts

Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps / 23.6V     Dyno: 210 Newton / 402 watts

Test3

Meralco: 2,300watts / 10.98amps / 229V  Dyno: 507 newton / 1,100 watts

Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps/ 23.56 V   Dyno: 200 Newton / 389 watts

We drive outside few 100 meters & back again to LAB & again some testing, due
to they found two sets of batteries 7amps/12V in front of the Car. I told them supply only for   
FAN & Microcontroller, but they don't believe so we test again for the 4th time & confirmed
no connection powering the motor & drops of volts & increase of current draw. Very minute
draw of current only either on or off of the motor.

Note: Actual Average time testing of AVISO tech 5 minutes. Two minutes running  allocated for the
        DYNO computer setting up.

 

Testing of repelling force.

6 times Conventional way of lifting a 1kilo coil & Using conventional small 12V DC low speed motor.

Height : 12 feet
Average Time to reach 12 feet :   0.9 sec.
Average Current draw :  0.93 amps
Battery : 12V / 24AH
 
FYMEGM repelling force by AVISO TECHN. 1Kilo coil

3 times repelling Battery start at 12.48 V end up 12.29V

Average Height: 26 feet
  "         Time: 1 sec
Battery: 9 V + 1.5V AA + 1.5 AA = 12volts

Note: I am Not satisfied re: the Height reached, but i don't have time to adjust to full power.

I told them, Once I recieve  the enough funding. Next test will be 110 Kilometers per hour & until battery
 it run down.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2011, 03:37:12 PM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2011, 07:12:30 PM »
@Hartline's post above .These tests could be history in the making . So let us make certain that everyone understands them fully .I will concentrate on test no1 .
Meralco;1300 WATTS/6.4 AMPS/223 VOLTS .Dyno570 watts .
Aviso tech ,308watts/13amps/23.74 volts ,Dyno418watts .
The Meralco is a brand name of a mains power unit .As the voltage quoted is223 volts , I assume that the 1300 Watts is the input power to the power supply unit , that is , the power drawn from the mains . No figures are quoted for the output of the power unit ,which will be the same as the input power to the motor . The Dyno [Dynamometer] measures the mechanical output power of the motor ,570 Watts .Most of the lost power will be motor losses as we can expect the power unit to have an efficiency of between 80 and90% . Using the Aviso Tech power source , the figures quoted are for the output of this unit .No figures are quoted for the units input , as it does not have one! So the motor has an input of308 watts and a mechanical output power of 418 watts . So here we have two miracles . A power supply unit with no input , and a motor running at well over 100% efficiency . This is my understanding of the test . Can someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong .

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2011, 09:36:57 PM »
That circuit was originally uploaded for someone else during an Rotoverter discussion quite some time ago now. I just left it there as its my scratch pad site. So no i don't have the source files but you can copy it an reproduce it if you want to do that as long as i get credit for the circuit.  Someone made a SS version using 3 large 150 VA toroidal transformers and it he had it working to about COP >3 but had to stop it after the caps almost exploded over volts.  It design purpose is to run a 3 phase motor direct from DC supply using pure self resonance. The motor will run at its own pure optimal speed at extremely low power consumption.

If you want to play with the sim go here

 http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

Its a great tool and so easy to use. It can do a lot of basic circuit ideas but of course it can not SIM zero point energy or radiant energy....not yet anyway:)

Thank you for getting back to us.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2011, 11:36:35 PM »
@Hartline's post above .These tests could be history in the making . So let us make certain that everyone understands them fully .I will concentrate on test no1 .
Meralco;1300 WATTS/6.4 AMPS/223 VOLTS .Dyno570 watts .
Aviso tech ,308watts/13amps/23.74 volts ,Dyno418watts .
The Meralco is a brand name of a mains power unit .As the voltage quoted is223 volts , I assume that the 1300 Watts is the input power to the power supply unit , that is , the power drawn from the mains . No figures are quoted for the output of the power unit ,which will be the same as the input power to the motor . The Dyno [Dynamometer] measures the mechanical output power of the motor ,570 Watts .Most of the lost power will be motor losses as we can expect the power unit to have an efficiency of between 80 and90% . Using the Aviso Tech power source , the figures quoted are for the output of this unit .No figures are quoted for the units input , as it does not have one! So the motor has an input of308 watts and a mechanical output power of 418 watts . So here we have two miracles . A power supply unit with no input , and a motor running at well over 100% efficiency . This is my understanding of the test . Can someone PLEASE correct me if I am wrong .

Yes i will explain it all to you.

Meralco;1300 WATTS/6.4 AMPS/223 VOLTS .Dyno570 watts .

Meralco is the name of the city supply and it passes through very accurate metering system which measures  a 1300 watt i/p. The Dyno is the watts on the car wheels  after allowing for all losses in the system as the Dyno is basically a calibrated generator.

So you can see 1300 watt i/p versus 570 watts on the wheels.  = 43% efficiency OR the system losses are 56%. This is made up of 66% efficiency of DC motor and 10% drive train losses. ..roughly. As you go through each test the losses are about 50% with some small variation depending on how fast the motor and drive train is running.

Now the Aviso Tech

308watts/13amps/23.74 volts ,Dyno418watts .

308 watts measured i/p from the batteries using calibrated shunts and accurate metering.

The Dyno records 418 watts on the wheels which equates to about 12 to 18mph. Now remember there is a system loss of 50% we know this from the mains data sets. So 418 is multiplied by TWO to allow for reversing the loss = 836 watts. This is what the MEG must be supplying to give the watts on the dyno.

836/308 = COP 2.714 This the the GAIN of the MEG device.

If stood on a glass table supplied with 1000 watts i/p it will light 2714 watts worth of lamps or heaters.

That said this is a prototype and Ismael said more than about 25 mph the MEG delivers too much power and things start smoking. I figure it can run no more than 5kw at the moment without problems driving the 11kw DC motor.

You can do the other data sets and always the mains loss is roughly 50% from wall power to wheels and the Aviso tech reversing the losses for the data provides a COP of 2.7 through out the test. So despite the glamorous  sounding  technology its no better that other OU Meg devices already shown alike looped RV's and the Bulgarian MEG etc also has a COP of around 3.

Now we have to give Ismael praise where its due as he is one of the first to have an OU device measured by  government DOT engineers so now it has 3rd party verification its a real ZPE OU system albeit not the best when comparing to the TPU or Kapanadze etc. As i said in the other forum don't lose sleep over how this coil shorting and cascading thing actually works as there are dozens of other systems capable of COP 3 which is indicative of pulsing and dump to cap techniques most of which is open source for decades. Even magnacoster coil banging with magnet will do COP >3


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2011, 11:56:25 AM »
@bolt . Many thanks for that detailed reply .Whilst agreeing with most of what you say , I feel there is a point you have overlooked .If you look at the figures for the Aviso test ,and for the mains test , No figure is quoted for the input voltage of the motor . Either the motor runs at about 220 volts ,or more likely a lower voltage . Also we know it is a DC motor . So we cannot connect it straight to the mains . We need a rectifier , and, more than likely a transformer . These will introduce additional losses . These losses are not large , but will skew the figures a bit .AS YOU SAY , PROBABLY HIS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IS GOVERNMENT RECOGNITION .

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2011, 08:39:01 PM »
@bolt . Many thanks for that detailed reply .Whilst agreeing with most of what you say , I feel there is a point you have overlooked .If you look at the figures for the Aviso test ,and for the mains test , No figure is quoted for the input voltage of the motor . Either the motor runs at about 220 volts ,or more likely a lower voltage . Also we know it is a DC motor . So we cannot connect it straight to the mains . We need a rectifier , and, more than likely a transformer . These will introduce additional losses . These losses are not large , but will skew the figures a bit .AS YOU SAY , PROBABLY HIS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IS GOVERNMENT RECOGNITION .

It absolutely  doesn't matter what the volts are in each component. The only thing  that matters is WATTS INPUT and WATTS OUT.  So there might be rectifier to convert to DC just after the mains grid watt meter but the losses here are not worth mentioning perhaps 1%. There is always something that can be argued but mostly its splitting hairs.

In fact the data report tells you how many volts and amps is being consumed when its plugged into a very expensive calibrated WATT meter then whatever the electronics and motor does with this who cares? The answer comes out on the wheels and the Dyno shows the output watts.

let me put it another way. Does your electric meter care if you watch TV or use the Vacuum cleaner, what about charging your cellphone that's only 5 volts? Of course not it just measures the power consumed. In Aviso tech mode the i/p is now the batteries which are measured with calibrated meter shunts. Its a 3rd party government test so we have to assume within some tolerance they know how to measure IN versus OUT.

Well the bottom line is many OU debunkers will have to admit they were wrong its another notch of history etched in the road to energy freedom but for OU veterans a COP 2.7 is not fantastic.

Kapandaze device is around a COP of 100. He sticks 50 watts in and gets 5000 watts o/p

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2011, 09:55:37 PM »
@bolt . I was not disagreeing with your explanation .just trying to get my head around it .I did say that the presence or absence of a transformer and/or rectifier would have very little effect on the figures . Ultimately ,I am hoping that although this may not be the only, or even the best technology , It will at least reach the marketplace , as a result of Government recognition .Difficult though technology is , the politics is always equally difficult . This is the big problem with the Kapadnadze device . I have sent you a private message .

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2011, 12:08:07 AM »
Ismael say its better to short the coil a many time as you can, he say if you could short a million of time instead of few or one is better the more you short during a phase the better free energy you get

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2011, 07:53:29 AM »
Hi , Konehead on this site ; https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits
Shows a circuit to short a coil using 2 Mosfets. The mosfets will surely only swith on when the d lead is positive to the gate. So with ac from the coil only 1 mosfet can be on at one time. Thus never shorting the coil. Can someone plaese correct me if I am wrong. Thanks peakprod.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2011, 12:29:13 PM »
well not a scam...just delusional
why not put it on the bench and close loop it ???
Mark

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2011, 04:11:07 PM »
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You have a budget to go visit??
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2011, 05:05:50 PM »
Hi , Konehead on this site ; https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits
Shows a circuit to short a coil using 2 Mosfets. The mosfets will surely only swith on when the d lead is positive to the gate. So with ac from the coil only 1 mosfet can be on at one time. Thus never shorting the coil. Can someone plaese correct me if I am wrong. Thanks peakprod.



Ismael to go open source, sell His E car Plan $150 - $200 & Kits $2,000

http://pesn.com/2011/02/27/9501773_Aviso_Ponders_Open_Sourcing_Self-Running_EV_Tech/

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2011, 05:46:48 PM »


Ismael to go open source, sell His E car Plan $150 - $200 & Kits $2,000

http://pesn.com/2011/02/27/9501773_Aviso_Ponders_Open_Sourcing_Self-Running_EV_Tech/

EVERYONE needs to read the link above.  This is BIG and IMPORTANT!!!   We can make a difference NOW to get off oil dependency and other polluting fuel sources.
 
  Excellent article!  What WE do in the next 3 months can determine whether Ismael goes open source with this. 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2011, 08:58:23 PM »
Sorry I am a bit late with posting this as I am just testing the new
forum software in another forum.

New Email from Ismael with a few pictures:

here's the picture of my MEG ( Motionless Electronic Generator )

Per picture est. capacity 8Kw - 9Kwatts. Still we have on going R & D.  My Semiconductor design group doing the High freq. Filtering system of the High spikes Bemf of the Transformer.  This R & D not very easy , but once I hit the right button , everything will become easy.

Design to be loaded either resistive or inductive.

 I started designing since Dec. 2009. I got two Investor dedicated only for MEG.  I strongly believed this where to go for the household application. Once I am successful in producing 230% eff. I will start to shrink the transformer coil.  At present 500 times bigger than the electronic modules. It's a modular type 1 module represent 3Kwatts.
MEG R & D very difficult, but once I hit the right button everything will be easy. The cost way cheaper compare to the mechanical repelling force set up & the mass production process can be in many million per month.

Limitation up to maximum 10Kwatts, but the extreme electromagnetic repelling force no limit up to MEGA WATTS.

Included in the picture, when I start building the MEG on Dec. 2009 until I refined it. All picture related to MEG R & D

Ismael

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #74 on: February 27, 2011, 09:36:20 PM »
Excellent article!  What WE do in the next 3 months can determine whether Ismael goes open source with this.
Ismael needs no money at all to disclose his material at open source. When he gets money, there is high probability he gets patent, then he sells it to the big guys. Then they will decide what to do next. This way we may never see this project alive.
Edit. IMO this guy will disclose it at open source only when he sees too little or no interest from potential investors.

 

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