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Author Topic: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR  (Read 283957 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #225 on: June 23, 2012, 07:10:43 PM »
Mile HIGH
please start your own thread if you have purpose here of dicrediting Ismael with the power of your opinons and ignorant ovservations.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #225 on: June 23, 2012, 07:10:43 PM »

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #226 on: June 23, 2012, 07:32:51 PM »
mile HIGH
your quote:
"I don't know why you would say this because you know that measuring voltage without factoring in current is meaningless."
duh
maybe you should understand stuff first:
caps fill up UNLOADED from the coil-shroting event
current "appears" when caps hit load. It can be measuered in watts in form of joules-release
when you  have 3 times more voltage in cap hitting load you have three times more power into whatever load it appens to hit.
the unloaded caps DO fill up X20 in voltage ove rperiod of few seconds. do the experiment look at you tube stuff showing it done in simple expereiments
coil-shorting does not work if caps have load alreday across them - output is in two-stage process...caps fill up, caps hit load when caps disocnnect from coils so coils never see load - this is very common and smple way to discharge capacitors to load.
also the dynaometer tests were accurate and fact they can go to different "scales" is meanianigless and is something skeptics will think up grabbing for stuff in the dark (like you are) - dynometers measure HP at the wheels in fact lots of power is wasted before it gets there so the MEG that powers that forklift motor is way more effeicent that 33% OU

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #227 on: June 23, 2012, 07:47:33 PM »
Hy mile HIGH
your quote:
"The voltage you can charge a capacitor bank to has nothing to do with the energy in vs. energy out or the average power in vs. the average power out."
WRONG
what you have in voltage in cap that discharges to aload has everything to do with what the power/watts is in the output of a system that uses a cap discharge as the power-event.
If the input is a capacitive-discharged one, then same thing with input. (or if input happens to be Hp-watts measured in dyonmeter at DOE lab that is other case)
Ismael fills caps UNLOADED then disconnects cap from coils being shorted, tand lets caps hit load with that "source" disconnected - this is called a two stage output circuit.
look at diode plug circuit below for idea what I am talking about...this is similar to how Ismael gathers power into caps from his MEG, and how Ismael lets loose that stored-power into the load )forklift motor in his car) note that the source (coils being shorted at peaks in case of the MEG) nver sees the load, it only fills up capacitors:
if you want to LEARN anything erase your erroneous preconceptions first or you will stumble down wrong path of what-is-the-truth as you are now doing
 
 
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #227 on: June 23, 2012, 07:47:33 PM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #228 on: June 23, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »
Konehead:

I am very familiar with electronics.

We need to check energy in vs. energy out, or average power in vs. average power out.

You are not discussing the energy in or the average power in.  What is your measurement for that?

Also, I am willing to bet both of us are not experts on dynamometers.  So neither of us can say if the DOT dyno measurement is accurate when the measured load is 0.115% of the maximum load the dyno can measure, can we?

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #229 on: June 24, 2012, 06:13:24 AM »
@MileHigh

I am very familiar with electronics too.


I've just finished soldering my coil shorting module.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #229 on: June 24, 2012, 06:13:24 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #230 on: June 24, 2012, 06:18:10 AM »
@MileHigh

I am very familiar with electronics too.


I've just finished soldering my coil shorting module.

Nice Kehyo

But didnt Ismael say that there were shorting transistors in parallel to get down to .0028 ohm shorting resistance?  Unless you are trying something else.

Good to see someone doing it.  ;]

Mags

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #231 on: June 24, 2012, 06:35:55 AM »
Thanks Magluvin.


This module is capable of driving many parallel MOSFETs or IGBTs.
Peak driver current is 9A. I've got really good IGBTs right now and paralleling them might not be necessery
as it all comes down to low resistance of the shorting "contact" according to Ismael. IGBTs are better in that respect.
My thoughts on this is the dv/dt switching time plays even more important role than the really low resistance.
With this config I am able to short ends of a coil with a  potential difference of 1000V with 25ns rise/fall time :D
Anyway we will see...
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #231 on: June 24, 2012, 06:35:55 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #232 on: June 24, 2012, 06:39:16 AM »
Nice.  ;]

Will it be shorting multiple times near or at the peak?

Mags


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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #233 on: June 24, 2012, 06:45:29 AM »
Yes, multiple times with a freely adjustable time window starting at any given point on a sine wave.
Easy to implement when you are dealing with constant frequency using some zero crossing detection circuit triggering hardware interrupt on arduino...
Piece of cake :D

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #233 on: June 24, 2012, 06:45:29 AM »
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #234 on: June 24, 2012, 07:01:43 AM »
Yes, multiple times with a freely adjustable time window starting at any given point on a sine wave.
Easy to implement when you are dealing with constant frequency using some zero crossing detection circuit triggering hardware interrupt on arduino...
Piece of cake :D

Ive been wanting to try one of those Arduino. RS has 2 kits. Maybe Ill grab one to check them out.

Cant wait to see what you come up with.  Good luck.  ;]

Mags

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #235 on: June 24, 2012, 07:08:52 AM »
Thanks Magluvin.


This module is capable of driving many parallel MOSFETs or IGBTs.
Peak driver current is 9A. I've got really good IGBTs right now and paralleling them might not be necessery
as it all comes down to low resistance of the shorting "contact" according to Ismael. IGBTs are better in that respect.
My thoughts on this is the dv/dt switching time plays even more important role than the really low resistance.
With this config I am able to short ends of a coil with a  potential difference of 1000V with 25ns rise/fall time :D
Anyway we will see...

@kEhYo77,

Thanks for posting the circuit drawing at Reply #209.
Are you willing to post the component values/numbers also?

Nice circuit BTW. :-)

GL.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #236 on: June 24, 2012, 08:17:02 AM »
Hi Groundloop.

Now with components.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #237 on: June 24, 2012, 12:10:43 PM »
Hi Groundloop.

Now with components.

kEhYo

@kEhYo77,

Thank you for posting components values. :-)

GL.

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #238 on: June 24, 2012, 07:24:19 PM »
to all:
important to use paralell MOSFETS, not transisitors, in coil shorting circuits like what Ismael shows in that video with hand-drawings...mosfets are lower resistance and also paralell easily.
to mile too-HIGH:
yes I am familiar with electronics too, so is practically eveyrone here. glad you admit you really know nothing about dynometers so what you say in criticscm about Ismael being tested in DOE lab in Philipines is something to ignore completely. 
the testing is on video if you want to watch it, and the testing results are published if you want to read them....if you dont, then you should not write about stuff you know nothing about and only conjecture and opinionate.
cap discharge formula to figure WATTS:
FARAD value of cap / 2
X
(maximum voltage in cap SQUARED) - (voltage in cap after discharge SQUARED)
X
discharge-events PER SECOND = WATTS
this is how you figure out how much power you have from discharging caps to load...use a scope. for this
 
 

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Re: FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR
« Reply #239 on: June 24, 2012, 08:06:41 PM »
Konehead:

I didn't ask you about the output measurement, I asked you about the input measurement.  So what about the input?

As far as the dynamometer goes my instincts are good and they are probably right.  Plus I have read several comments with the same line of reasoning.  Basically all of us with any experience in electronics have observed and are aware of this phenomenon.  Just take the example of a digital multimeter, the lower the value on the display the less accurate the measurement is.

I saw those clips from about a year ago.  There was no proper description of how they measured the input power either, and you probably needed a DSO to do it properly.  Without a DSO it could have been be a very difficult measurement to make.   So for that DOT test both the input power measurement and the output power measurement are suspect.  On top of that, if he really had a working over unity system based on coil shorting, there was no reason at all to put it in a car.  The logical thing to do would have been to put the circuit on a bench and do the measurements there.

MileHigh

 

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